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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 12:38:55 GMT -5
www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009393;p=1
Note how Afrocentrists just ignore the evidence in front of them. Talk about subjectivity. In this recent thread on Egyptsearch, we have the following:
All the Afrocentricss in this thread, don't pay any attention to this. The earliest classical source to mention melanchroes (or melanchroies) is Homer's Odyssey. Yet for Homer, it describes no darker than a suntan in Mediterranean climate, not "black skin":
"Athena rejuvenates him after temporary old age he receives a melanchroies 'dark' skin and a kuaneai 'dark' beard (16.175, 16.176). As for the rejuvenated Odysseus finding his skin darker, this merely indicates the suntan of active Greek men (Handschur 1970: 164, 210)." (Day, 2001)
Plutarch, uses melanchroes to describe a Syrian:
"There were in Corinth four brothers, Syrians by race, one of whom, Diocles by name, was serving as a mercenary soldier in the citadel
Now the enterprise was dangerous in itself, but was made more dangerous still by a mistake which occurred at the very beginning through ignorance. For Technon, the servant of Aratus, had been sent to inspect the wall with Diocles, and had not yet met Diocles face to face, but thought he would know how he looked because Erginus had described him as curly-haired, of a swarthy complexion, and without a beard." www.loebclassics.com/view/plutarch-lives_aratus/1926/pb_LCL103.43.xml?result=7&rskey=FmOyQt&readMode=recto
This is the complexion Plutarch was describing:
Modern Syrians.
Obviously not black skin. No doubt melanchroes was used by ancient Greeks to describe darker shades of brown. However Afrocentrics totally ignore it was used to describe light brown complexions (as light as a Mediterranean sun-tan) which are not "black".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 13:10:17 GMT -5
melanchroes translates as dark skinned, covering a wide spectrum of pigmentation shades. The lighter shades of this spectrum (e.g. Mediterranean sun-tans, and the pigmentation of Syrians), are not "black". The Afrocentrist agenda is to ignore this spectrum and just lump everthing as "black" because Herodotus described the Egyptians as melanchroes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 13:41:51 GMT -5
More misinformation or outright lies is that thread on Egyptsearch is that melas translates as black.
For Homer, melas usually appears to describe the colour of wine. No wine is black.
Melas translates as 'dark' and includes a wide spectrum of colours. No one denies this spectrum extends to black (e.g. melas is used to describe the night, pitch) but it is not limited to this. For the same reason leukos does not translate as 'white' but light (despite it extends to white like milk and snow). leukos for example describes gold alloyed with silver (Herodotus) which while light, no one would consider white.
When leukos is applied to skin it also covers a spectrum of light shades. Not all of these are 'white' like the pale-milky or pale-pink skin of northern Europeans, i.e. it is used to describe pale-brown shades.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 16:09:28 GMT -5
A major problem Afrocentrism faces with translating melanchroes only as black, is that the ancient Greeks often described themselves or their mythological personages as μέλανα melana/n, melas, etc. meaning dark. This complexion is a Mediterranean tan/sunburnt hue.
Clement of Alexandria, Protrepticus II.30.7 (Butterworth, LCL): Ἡρακλέα οὖν καὶ αὐτὸς Ὅμηρος θνητὸν οἶδεν ἄνθρωπον, Ἱερώνυμος δὲ ὁ φιλόσοφος καὶ τὴν σχέσιν αὐτοῦ ὑφηγεῖται τοῦ σώματος, μικρόν, φριξότριχα, ῥωστικόν· Δικαίαρχος δὲ σχιζίαν, νευρώδη, μέλανα, γρυπόν, ὑποχαροπόν, τετανότριχα. Οὗτος οὖν ὁ Ἡρακλῆς δύο πρὸς τοῖς πεντήκοντα ἔτη βεβιωκὼς κατέστρεψε τὸν βίον διὰ τῆς ἐν Οἴτῃ πυρᾶς κεκηδευμένος.
‘Heracles then, is known to be mortal man even by Homer. Hieronymus the philosopher sketches his bodily characteristics also, – small stature, bristling hair, great strength. Dicaearchus adds that he was slim, sinewy, dark, with hooked nose, somewhat blue eyes and long, straight hair’.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 16:18:27 GMT -5
"Athena rejuvenates him after temporary old age he receives a melanchroies 'dark' skin and a kuaneai 'dark' beard (16.175, 16.176). As for the rejuvenated Odysseus finding his skin darker, this merely indicates the suntan of active Greek men (Handschur 1970: 164, 210)." (Day, 2001)
Afrocentrism debunked again.
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Post by anansi on Mar 19, 2016 2:22:53 GMT -5
Hercules as black as his kemetian opponents. Only sometimes the first pic is of Etruscan make of Heracles Vs Busiris all are pictured as Blacks the second is a Kantharos (cup) of Herakles and Busiris the king of Egypt in a janiform head, Heracles is given a more typical Greek form.
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Post by thamm1 on Mar 19, 2016 5:23:03 GMT -5
Present location: KUNSTHISTORISCHES MUSEUM [09/001] International inventory number : 09/001/4907 Designation: Head of a Beduin from Syria Category: ARCHITECTURE: ARCHITECTURAL DECORATION: TILE Description: Head with brown-red skin, thin hanging moustache and thin beard on the jaw. The chin part is missing, probably because of the state the piece is in. The chin-length hair is black and braided, and held together by a brightly coloured headband. The earlobes are pierced. The glaze is in a bad state. Dating: NEW KINGDOM: 20TH DYNASTY: RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN
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Post by thamm1 on Mar 19, 2016 5:25:53 GMT -5
Present location KUNSTHISTORISCHES MUSEUM [09/001] International inventory number 09/001/4906 Designation Head of a Syrian Category ARCHITECTURE: ARCHITECTURAL DECORATION: TILE Dating NEW KINGDOM: 20TH DYNASTY: RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN
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Post by thamm1 on Mar 19, 2016 5:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 10:51:29 GMT -5
Your first image is a "Beduin from Syria", not an Syrian. Some Bedouin migrated north from the Arabian desert in ancient times. The second image shows how Egyptians actually depicted Syrians - as lighter skinned than themselves. They're a light brown/yellowish colour: Inlay figures, faience and glass, of "the traditional enemies of Ancient Egypt" from a royal palace of Ramesses III (1182-1151 B.C.). From left: 2 Nubians, Philistine, Amorite, Syrian, Hittite
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 11:07:25 GMT -5
Hercules as black as his kemetian opponents. Only sometimes the first pic is of Etruscan make of Heracles Vs Busiris all are pictured as Blacks the second is a Kantharos (cup) of Herakles and Busiris the king of Egypt in a janiform head, Heracles is given a more typical Greek form.
The first one is a silhouette, its not showing Heracles as black skinned.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery
Virtually all figures during this period were painted black. It doesn't represent skin colour. Here's two more of Heracles:
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Post by thamm1 on Mar 19, 2016 15:59:53 GMT -5
This is a black syrian. You must be blind
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Post by thamm1 on Mar 19, 2016 16:01:39 GMT -5
Present location KUNSTHISTORISCHES MUSEUM [09/001] International inventory number 09/001/4906 Designation Head of a Syrian Category ARCHITECTURE: ARCHITECTURAL DECORATION: TILE Dating NEW KINGDOM: 20TH DYNASTY: RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN This is a black syrian. He just light skinned like Rhianna. You must be blind.
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Post by anansi on Mar 19, 2016 20:34:56 GMT -5
Hercules as black as his kemetian opponents. Only sometimes the first pic is of Etruscan make of Heracles Vs Busiris all are pictured as Blacks the second is a Kantharos (cup) of Herakles and Busiris the king of Egypt in a janiform head, Heracles is given a more typical Greek form.
The first one is a silhouette, its not showing Heracles as black skinned.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery
Virtually all figures during this period were painted black. It doesn't represent skin colour. Here's two more of Heracles:
No it's not, look closer this is no silhouette which is very unlike your bottom pic notice the hair as well and also some of the Kemetians are yellowish on the first vase and the Janiform heads cannot be explained away as silhouette either the Greeks when they feel like it had no qualms about ethnic modification and I had seen an example of a later Roman signet ring with the image of a Black Hercules.
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