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Post by fromnothing on Oct 25, 2016 20:54:32 GMT -5
Thanks for being civil and mature about this. As far as the "debate" I'm done with it. He's being very childish about the whole thing, acting as though I'm some euro-ecentric racist just because of my opinions. Even the video that you linked does nothing more than confirm that there were blacks present in Egypt. It does not however confirm that "Egypt was a black civilization." Everything shown in that video could have just as likely happened in a country like the united states (10,000 years from now). You could excavate a site in southern Mississippi and find "black mummies" with "African DNA" but it doesn't mean that the country is a black country. Just means that there are blacks present here. All evidence I've seen suggests that it was (as I said several times before) an multi-ethnic society. Like i said this is the place to discuss( debate) this issue. I'll say keep an open mind, for we are all on a journey to grow in understanding. You have veterans here, who have much knowledge & years about this topic. So please use the archive . We all have to be honest about our own internal basis; we have to uncover what they are, & bring them into the light for examination . Some folks are more attuned to certain aspects of ancient African culture, lets say, West Africa as opposed to North Africa & that's O.K. But we all must have a working updated knowledge of Africa as a whole, & should be open to disregard out worn concepts about Africa that we might picked up, in our search for the truth. Agreed, and trust me, my mind is open and it's also open to debates. It's not open to people who lash out at me though.
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Post by punosrey on Oct 25, 2016 21:13:00 GMT -5
Right because any one who disagrees with you and backs it up with citations is childish/emotional. You're a joke but the good part is that your opinions/thoughts won't change the evidence on the ground. That evidence points towards AE being founded by black Africans and remaining predominately black African for the most part of its history(yet immigration and interchange was a fact, no major civilization operated in a bubble) though there were periods of foreign conquest such as the Hyksos.
Keep your head up your posterior and making baseless claims while carrying on that facade of objectivity, I'll keep spreading the truth regardless of who likes it or doesn't including myself.
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Post by fromnothing on Oct 25, 2016 21:42:00 GMT -5
Right because any one who disagrees with you and backs it up with citations is childish/emotional. You're a joke but the good part is that your opinions/thoughts won't change the evidence on the ground. That evidence points towards AE being founded by black Africans and remaining predominately black African for the most part of its history(yet immigration and interchange was a fact, no major civilization operated in a bubble) though there were periods of foreign conquest such as the Hyksos. Keep your head up your posterior and making baseless claims while carrying on that facade of objectivity, I'll keep spreading the truth regardless of who likes it or doesn't including myself. Ok buddy. I never said it wasn't founded by blacks. Did I? If so, quote me. Otherwise calm the f*** down before you get a hernia.
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Post by anansi on Oct 26, 2016 6:58:46 GMT -5
If I may interject here, the argument of whether the ancient kemetians were mostly black or mostly brown is pointless, as native Africans are multi hued,the question should be, were they Africans, biologically, linguistically and culturally and the science is overwhelming on this, they were an African people and related to other Africans closest to them rather than out side, the southerners are also brown and black some like the Nahasi may have broad features others like the Puntities further south differed in no way to their kemitian counterparts. matter of fact the difference is still observable along the Nile today. Shilluk Ethiopians females on from the high mountains the other further south.Kenyans All are Sub Saharan East Africans, Sub Saharan West Africa also show similar variations the reason for those differences is mostly due to micro evolution, in other words those features were developed in Africa, all these features made up the classic Kemitian types.
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Post by anansi on Oct 26, 2016 7:58:46 GMT -5
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Post by fromnothing on Oct 26, 2016 8:07:01 GMT -5
My whole point was that my opinion was fueled solely by the fact that if you google "Egyptian people" and you compare the people in the image results to the ones in the paintings, they look identical. You see mostly red/brown people with some blacks mixed in. If you google "Sudanese people" and compare them to the paintings of Nubians, again they look identical. You'll see mostly black people with a few browns mixed in. With that being said, I don't understand why there is such hostility for me holding the opinion I have. Despite the sources that he sited etc. The sources do nothing more than confirm that there were blacks in Egypt. Cool. I have no doubt in my mind that blacks did live in Egypt. I have no doubt that there are black mummies, black kings, black slaves, etc. My only point is I think most of them were identical to the ones you see in their art. As for the picture of Nelson Mandela, he has features of a Khoisan which I specified in one of my previous replies as (the lightest skinned people that you'll find in S.S Africa). And they are way south of Egyptians.
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Post by piccolo on Oct 26, 2016 13:15:45 GMT -5
My whole point was that my opinion was fueled solely by the fact that if you google "Egyptian people" and you compare the people in the image results to the ones in the paintings, they look identical. You see mostly red/brown people with some blacks mixed in. If you google "Sudanese people" and compare them to the paintings of Nubians, again they look identical. You'll see mostly black people with a few browns mixed in. With that being said, I don't understand why there is such hostility for me holding the opinion I have. Despite the sources that he sited etc. The sources do nothing more than confirm that there were blacks in Egypt. Cool. I have no doubt in my mind that blacks did live in Egypt. I have no doubt that there are black mummies, black kings, black slaves, etc. My only point is I think most of them were identical to the ones you see in their art. As for the picture of Nelson Mandela, he has features of a Khoisan which I specified in one of my previous replies as (the lightest skinned people that you'll find in S.S Africa). And they are way south of Egyptians. The problem is that like many racist eurocentric trolls, you're blatantly ignoring all evidence which tells you your opinion is wrong. The posters who research Ancient Egypt on this forum use FACTS to back up their statements, not opinions.
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Post by history91 on Oct 26, 2016 15:50:27 GMT -5
Here is a old comment from Dana Reynolds-Marniche:
Dana JANUARY 20, 2012 AT 9:22 PM Regardless if modern Northern Egyptians have certain genetic components traceable back to the pharaonic Egyptians we certainly know where those pharaonic components were derived and what they were related to. Scientific studies (most of which are not “afro-centric” show strong genetic ties of modern northern Egyptians and north Africans to the Levant. Ancient Egyptians may have contributed to modern northern Egyptians to an extent, like peoples of the Levant and Europe have, but obviously North Africans are the result of an genetic amalgamation of people which doesn’t in anyway change the nature of what the original people Khemtiu were and where they came from.
Here are some simple SCIENTIFICALLY-BASED FACTS to remember about ancient North Africa before you submit any unqualified, opinions, based on wishful-thinking and nationalism. Both early and modern physical anthropologists – including those basing their findings on genetic determinants, have already discovered the following about the ancient i.e. original occupants of Egypt:
Thus a noted Egyptologist remarked “..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans.” (Barry Kemp, “Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation. (2005) Routledge. p. 54)
Modern people of the Levant are for the most part Eurasian not African. They have greatly influenced North African populations. Some recent studies show that a large proportion of the populations of the present day Berber-speakers are of Near Eastern rather than African descent.
Ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians may share certain features. But ancient Egyptians don’t share the same commonalisties with Eurasians that northern Egyptians and northern Berbers do. Period.
As well, “Intralimb indices are not significantly different between Egyptians and American Blacks… Many of those who have studied ancient Egyptians have commented on their characteristically ‘‘tropical’’ or ‘‘African’’ body plan (Warren, 1897; Masali, 1972; Robins, 1983; Robins and Shute, 1983, 1984, 1986; Zakrzewski, 2003). Egyptians also fall within the range of modern African populations…” Raxter & Ruff et al. Stature estimation in ancient Egyptians” Am J Phys Anthropol. 2008,136(2):147-55
Now you can pretend that modern Eurasians have tropical body plans if you want to. Feel free! : )
But know this – ancient Egyptians – unlike modern North Africans, – WERE NOT closely linked to modern Levant populations or other modern Eurasian populations.
Know too that science has already shown the following: 1- that pharaonic era Egyptians were a rather homogeneous group displaying “an impressive unity” up until the time of the Ptolemaic Greeks, AFTER WHICH TIME that homogeneity ceased to exist, and significant differences in the population become discernible in the skeletal and cranial evidence (especially in the northern Egyptian population). Studies that have concluded that fact, are based on non-metric variants of crania i.e. genetic determinants. And that fact was never again to be challenged by any anthropologist or forensic anthropologist with common sense. In studies done over the past several decades the ancient Egyptians from North to South (pre-Greco-Roman era) have shown a clear link to NEOLITHIC Nubians, and those at Gizeh clustered closely with the Jebel Moya population of South-Central SUDAN as well as Badarians, UNLIKE peoples heavily influenced by Eurasians such as TODAYS mostly northerly or Coastal North Africans i.e. ALEXANDRIANS, PEOPLE OF CAIRO, TIZI-OUZOU, TRIPOLI, THE MOROCCAN RIF, ETCETERA. (See Berry, A.C. and Berry, “Origins and relationships of the ancient Egyptians. Based on a Study of non-metrical variations in the skull” American Journal of Physical Anthropology 1976. Greene, D. L. Dental (1972). Anthropology of early Egypt and Nubia. Journal of Human Evolution, 1. Greene, D.L. (1967). Dentition of a Mesolithic population of Wadi Halfa Sudan. Angel, J. L. (1972). Biological relations of Egyptian and eastern Mediterranean populations, during predynastic and dynastic times. Journal of human Evolution, 1, pp. 307-313.)
2 – the forensic skeletal and cranial evidence shows that the Egyptians of the Pharaonic era CAN NOT BE DISTINGUISHED from modern peoples of the Horn. As the SCIENTIST Alain Froment not too long ago asserted “ Black populations of the Horn of Africa (Tigré and Somalia) fit well into Egyptian variations.” (Froment, Alain,Origines du peuplement de l’Égypte ancienne: l’apport de l’anthropobiologie, Archéo-Nil 2 (Octobre 1992), 79-98) The French biological anthropologist and medical doctor Alain Froment is also a critic of Afrocentric writers, so if one wants to pretend that Ethiopians and Somalis are not black, they can go right ahead.
The findings of Alain Froment and other scholars are in line with those of earlier physical anthropologists and Egyptologists, including many bigots, who had discovered that the skeletons of the pharaonic period consistently were of a type that could not be distinguished from modern Beja, Tigrai, Somalians and Ethiopians.
This quote from 1867 by a founding father of Egyptology Champollion-Figeac – “The first tribes that inhabited Egypt that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataracts and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar. The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt WE DO NOT FIND ANY OF THE CHARACTERISTIC FEATURES OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN POPULATION. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt . It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.” From Letters published by Champollion-Figeac (Founding Egyptologist). (In fact Champollion was probably more familiar with the mainly Greek-descended Copts, rather than the dark complexioned southern Egyptian ones.)
Also written by Jean Francois Champollion –
“Dr. Larrey investigated this problem in Egypt; he examined A LARGE NUMBER of mummies, studied their skulls, recognized the principle characteristics, tried to identify them in the various races living in Egypt, and succeeded in doing so. The Abyssinian seemed to him to combine them all, except for the black race.”
Now, if you would like to pretend like Dr. Larrey and European peoples of his day that the Abyssinians were not a ‘black” population – go right ahead. : )
2. SCIENTISTS HAVE ALSO FOUND THAT – The Haratin populations of the Sahara groupings turned out to be the living people with the closest ABO blood group serology to ancient Egyptians. This information is now well known and widespread on the internet. (ABO Typing of Ancient Egyptians” In _Population biology of ancient Egyptians_, edited by D.R. Brothwell and B.A. Chiarelli, London, New York, 1973, p. 464.)
But, if you want to pretend that the Haratin are not black – that’s up to you.
3. BTW – the hair on the head of the ancient Egyptians has been found to be similar to and within the range of Ethiopians, Beja, Fulani, Tibu etc. as well as Tasmanians. The mummification process used by ancient AFRICANS straightened the hair of such people as it would any other sub-Saharan originated African. “Brothwell and Spearman (1963) analyzed many Egyptian mummy hairs and found that the keratin forming the hair follicles had experienced significant oxidation (damage), which they attributed to chemicals used in the mummification process; oxidation of keratin can cause both texture changes and discoloration.” Death as well as the mummification process is also a well-known major factor cause of dark pigmented black or dark brown hair turning red or orangish auburn etc in color as in certain mummies of not only ancient Egypt, but ancient Peru and other places around the world.
As for red hair in certain ancient AFRICAN PHARAOHS please note that ACCORDING TO SCIENCE – ” All hair contains a mixture in varying concentration of both black-brown eumelanin and red-yellow phaeomelanin pigments, which are susceptible to differential chemical change under certain extreme burial conditions (for example wet reducing conditions, or dry oxidising conditions). Importantly, phaeomelanin is much more stable to environmental conditions than eumelanin, hence the reactions occurring in the burial environment favor the preservation of phaeomelanin, revealing and enhancing the red/ yellow color of hairs containing this pigment. Color changes occur slowly under dry oxidising conditions, such as in the burials in sand at Hierakonpolis. Whether the conditions within the wood and plaster coffin contributed to accelerated color change, or whether this individual naturally had more phaeomelanin pigmentation in his hair is hard to say without further analysis.” From Archaeology Magazine’s website by a doctor and hair specialist from OXFORD UNIVERSTIY Director of the Dept of Archaeology undertaking research in Hierankopolis.
Phaeomelanin in the hair doesn’t mean it was outwardly RED!
Also other embalming specialists claim, “…Sun-exposure, bacterial reaction, and embalming methods are some of the factors that may affect the original hair colour. As a result, hair that was originally black or brown exhibits reddish, orange or even blond colour due to post mortem alterations. All human hair, however, does not turn red over archaeological time-scales (Wilson, 2001)….” from –C. Papageorgopoulou et al. 2008. Indications of embalming in Roman Greece by physical, chemical and histological analysis. Journal of Archaeological Science doi:10.1016/j.jas.2008.07.0
Predynastic Badarian hair turned out to have an average index range that was from more kinky than that of a modern San African and that of a Zulu 55 to the average of a Tasmanian (64.70). The majority of studies have shown the ancient Egyptians on average also fell within that range. On the other hand, Europeans and Asians have a range that is usually 71 and higher. The average index for wavy hair to straight hair among Europeans however is closer to 75 range and upwards.
Furthermore, “Two years was found to be the maximum duration of Caucasian hair buried underground.” (p.8) Rogers Spencer Lee, Personal Identification from Human Remains 1987.
Nevertheless, if you want to pretend the San, Zulu and Tasmanians type hair is not found on black heads, go right ahead.
4. East Africans who were the ancestors of the original Berbers are not “Caucasians” i.e. Europeans/Euasians – in case you didn’t know it.
Although Somali and Beja c– people who were first called Berbers by the Greeks, absorbed Turks and other non-African groups mainly during the Ottoman era, there is actually little to show for it among Somalis.
Some important scholarship has recently concluded the latter show very little connection to modern Eurasians i.e. “Caucasians”. “The results of a population survey on blood group distribution in Somalia, East Africa, are presented. Over 1,000 subjects were tested for most blood groups included in the survey. The sampling covered the whole country and was well in accordance with the population density as estimated by the recorded birth places of the subjects. Altogether, 46 blood group antigens were tested, partly common antigens within 11 of the major blood group systems, but also infrequent and very frequent antigens, some not tested before in Africa, were included. The results were compared with the available data for other related peoples and for populations from the same geographical area. The standard genetic distances were also applied in the comparison. The results suggest that only a minor component in the genetic constitution of the Somali population can be ascribed to Caucasian admixture. They are markedly in contrast with some earlier findings. During the survey we observed a previously unknown Rh gene complex occurring with a polymorphic frequency in Somalis.” P. Sistonend, J. Koistinena, Aden Abdulleb. (1987) Distribution of Blood Groups in the East African Somali Population.In Human Heredity. 37(5):300-313
5. Mesolithic and Neolithic north Africans show little resemblance to modern Europeans and were likely related to Natufians and East Africans of Capsian type as well as modern sub-Saharans of West and East Africa..
According to specialists – “There are striking resemblances between the pre-agricultural Capsians and the Natufians who are considered to extend from 10,500-300+200 BC in the Near East and Camps-Fabrer (1999) argues that the Natufians gave rise to Capsian culture, although the mechanisms of this process are not spelled out.” (p. 177.). From Blench, R. (2001) Types of Language Spread and their archaeological correlates: The example of Berber Estratto da Origini Preistoria E Protostoria Dell civilta antiche XXIII 2001
Did you figure out where you you fit in? : )
Other SCIENTISTS SAY – “Saharan genetic lineages (affiliated with the Y-chromosome PN2 clade; Underhill et al. 2001) have spread through Egypt into the Near East, the Mediterranean area, and, for some lineages, as far north as Turkey (E3b-M35 Y lineage; Cinniog?luet al. 2004; Luis et al. 2004), probably during several dispersal episodes since the Mesolithic (Cinniog?lu et al. 2004; King et al. 2008; Lucotte and Mercier 2003;Luis et al. 2004; Quintana-Murci et al. 1999; Semino et al. 2004; Underhill et al. 2001). This finding is in agreement with morphological data that suggest that populations with sub-Saharan morphological elements were present in northeastern Africa, from the Paleolithic to at least the early Holocene, and diffused northward to the Levant and Anatolia beginning in the Mesolithic. Indeed, the rare and incomplete Paleolithic to early Neolithic skeletal specimens found in Egypt—such as the 33,000-year-old Nazlet Khater specimen (Pinhasi and Semal 2000), the Wadi Kubbaniya skeleton from the late Paleolithic site in the upper Nile valley (Wendorf et al. 1986), the Qarunian (Faiyum) early Neolithic crania (Henneberg et al. 1989; Midant-Reynes 2000), and the Nabta specimen from the Neolithic Nabta Playa site in the western desert of Egypt (Henneberg et al. 1980)—show, with regard to the great African biological diversity, similarities with some of the sub-Saharan middle Paleolithic and modern sub-Saharan specimens. This affinity pattern between ancient Egyptians and sub-Saharans has also been noticed by several other investigators (Angel 1972; Berry and Berry 1967, 1972; Keita 1995) and has been recently reinforced by the study of Brace et al. (2005), which clearly shows that the cranial morphology of prehistoric and recent northeast African populations is linked to sub-Saharan populations (Niger-Congo populations).” Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements F.. Ricaut, and M. Waelkens
El Maqrisi of the 15th century left to posterity this useful information: “Know that the land of Egypt when the Mussulmans entered it, was full of Christians, but divided amongst themselves in two sects, BOTH AS TO RACE AND RELIGION.
The one part was made up of men about the court and public affairs, all Greek, from among the soldiers of Constantinople, the seat of government of Rum; their views as well as their religion, were all of them Melkite; and their number was above 300 000, all Greeks.
The other portion was the whole people of Egypt, who were Qibt, and were of mixed descent; among whom one could not distinguish Qibt from Abysinian, Nubian or Israelite; and they were all Jacobites. Some of them were writers in government offices, others were merchants and tradesmen, others were bishops and prsbyters and such like, others were tillers of the land in the country, while others were of the class of servants and domestics. But between these and the Melkite ruling population, marriages were not allowed, from mutual hatred of each other, often carried to murders on either side.” by Al Maqrizi translated in the book – The Sheikh and Imam Taqi-ed-din El-Maqrizi of Cairo family FROM BAALBEK, History of the Copts and of their Church.
Thus up until 600 years ago the Greek Copts and the native Egyptian Copts were distinguishable and apparently not getting along too well due to their different ethnic or “racial” origins.
As for the opinion about what ancient Egyptians looked like. Well, some don’t line up exactly with those of early European specialists in art history.
In 1809 the Italian art society said – “The Egyptians, though healthy, large and robust were clumsy in their forms and course in their features. Like other African tribes they were woolly haired, flat-nosed and thick lipped, and if not absolutely black were very near it in color. From the Publication “ Specimens of Ancient Sculpture Society of Dilettanti Vol 1, .
In 1939 the pseudoanthropologist even Carleton Coon spouted – “…the type of certain Pharaohs, like Ramses II, appears related to the Abyssinian type.” Quote found in, The Races of Europe, Macmillan, 1939 p. 96 University of Pennsylvania
So, to each his own.
Ancient Khemitiu were related to sub-Saharan Africans – so called blacks. That’s what they were. Like them – or leave them alone. : )
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Post by anansi on Oct 26, 2016 15:56:39 GMT -5
My whole point was that my opinion was fueled solely by the fact that if you google "Egyptian people" and you compare the people in the image results to the ones in the paintings, they look identical. You see mostly red/brown people with some blacks mixed in. If you google "Sudanese people" and compare them to the paintings of Nubians, again they look identical. You'll see mostly black people with a few browns mixed in. With that being said, I don't understand why there is such hostility for me holding the opinion I have. Despite the sources that he sited etc. The sources do nothing more than confirm that there were blacks in Egypt. Cool. I have no doubt in my mind that blacks did live in Egypt. I have no doubt that there are black mummies, black kings, black slaves, etc. My only point is I think most of them were identical to the ones you see in their art. As for the picture of Nelson Mandela, he has features of a Khoisan which I specified in one of my previous replies as (the lightest skinned people that you'll find in S.S Africa). And they are way south of Egyptians. Forthcoming perhaps if you give "Your" definition of what a Black is it may help, folks like the Shilluk above are indeed very Black and contrast to most blacks you and I know, they would stand out, Imo that shade while not rare are a minority both in Africa and outside it, the chocolate brown will make up the majority which is the shade the ancient Kemitians mostly paint themselves in, the Ethiopians regardless of what their complexion is chose to call themselves Black, as far back as the medieval times when they adopted the term "Ethiopians" ie burnt face from the Greeks, in this they are reminiscent of western Blacks and although conscious of the individual differences among them and others,they recognize they are connected. Inscription of Ezana, King of Axum, c. 325 CE Now there was no real ethnic difference among the Noba, save some were darker than the other as they are all Nobas and thus related, we make use of the term "red bone" in the west and many may think it a new world term but such usages is old in Africa , hence we have the term Black and red Igbos of tropical West Africa and carried over into Jamaica with the same exact term, again we are not looking real differences here,Africans and the diaspora always have that, but one do not slice one's own family up like that regardless. Stranger Cole and Gladdy Anderson Anyway we or at least I am not hostile, and we welcome difference of opinion , although it can get heated at times.
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Post by Son of Ra on Oct 26, 2016 22:48:03 GMT -5
punosreyCalm down. Everybody has different opinions but it is our job to present evidence in a CIVIL MANNER. Insulting and raging isn't going to help get your points across better. fromnothingGlad you joined, but there is a good amount of not only scientific evidence but historic evidence that shows that the Ancient Egyptians were an indigenous African civilization and thus "black civilization." There is no evidence via anthropology that Ancient Egypt had more western Asian/non-African influence than African. But its going to have to be our job to put you up to speed. For one the ancient Egyptian ancestors like most Africans share a common ancestry in the green Sahara.
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Post by fromnothing on Oct 26, 2016 23:27:51 GMT -5
For everyone claiming I'm "euro-centric" I don't see how or why you would watch the videos that I posted and think that about me. 99% of my comments on my videos are defending my viewers against the racist hicks who are spreading toxicity to our people. My videos (and YouTube) channel are dedicated to educating and uplifting blacks. But all you guys do is focus on my ONE comment (and opinion) claiming that Egypt was not a fully black population. I'm black my damn self so why on earth would I be Euro-centric? As far as the "evidence" you guys shown me:
1.) Everything I read from you guys does not prove that Egypt was "a black civilization." It just proves that there were blacks in ancient Egypt. It proves that there were black mummies, kings, slaves, scribes, etc. Even paintings of blacks. I never doubted that at all! There is also evidence of brown mummies, kings, slaves, scribes, etc and even MORE paintings of them. Why is it so damn hard for people to just accept that Egypt wasn't 100% black. It wasn't... there is a such thing as a cultural melting pot. The only thing I said was that "Egypt was a multi-ethnic society and the paintings and art correspond accurately with the people you see today."
2.) I honestly didn't read everything you guys posted, if so I would have spent several hours doing so because of the gigantic walls of text posted by you guys on my YouTube, the gigantic walls of text posted by you on this site, and the several links you guys spammed me with (both here and YouTube). I read a fair amount though and watched some of the videos but again, what I did watch/read did nothing more than prove "Ancient Egypt had black people." COOL! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE THAT BLACK PEOPLE LIVED IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND CONTRIBUTED TO IT'S CIVILIZATION IMMENSELY. It by no means confirms that the entire population consisted of blacks. You can't drive through Detroit and say OH THE UNITED STATES IS A BLACK COUNTRY.
On that note... I'm done replying or participating in this post in any way shape or form because you guys are so passionate about this that you are blind to any and everything else I say and do solely because I don't agree that the entire freaking Egyptian population was black. Nonsense...
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Post by Son of Ra on Oct 26, 2016 23:47:19 GMT -5
For everyone claiming I'm "euro-centric" I don't see how or why you would watch the videos that I posted and think that about me. 99% of my comments on my videos are defending my viewers against the racist hicks who are spreading toxicity to our people. My videos (and YouTube) channel are dedicated to educating and uplifting blacks. But all you guys do is focus on my ONE comment (and opinion) claiming that Egypt was not a fully black population. I'm black my damn self so why on earth would I be Euro-centric? As far as the "evidence" you guys shown me: 1.) Everything I read from you guys does not prove that Egypt was "a black civilization." It just proves that there were blacks in ancient Egypt. It proves that there were black mummies, kings, slaves, scribes, etc. Even paintings of blacks. I never doubted that at all! There is also evidence of brown mummies, kings, slaves, scribes, etc and even MORE paintings of them. Why is it so damn hard for people to just accept that Egypt wasn't 100% black. It wasn't... there is a such thing as a cultural melting pot. The only thing I said was that "Egypt was a multi-ethnic society and the paintings and art correspond accurately with the people you see today." 2.) I honestly didn't read everything you guys posted, if so I would have spent several hours doing so because of the gigantic walls of text posted by you guys on my YouTube, the gigantic walls of text posted by you on this site, and the several links you guys spammed me with (both here and YouTube). I read a fair amount though and watched some of the videos but again, what I did watch/read did nothing more than prove "Ancient Egypt had black people." COOL! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE THAT BLACK PEOPLE LIVED IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND CONTRIBUTED TO IT'S CIVILIZATION IMMENSELY. It by no means confirms that the entire population consisted of blacks. You can't drive through Detroit and say OH THE UNITED STATES IS A BLACK COUNTRY. On that note... I'm done replying or participating in this post in any way shape or form because you guys are so passionate about this that you are blind to any and everything else I say and do solely because I don't agree that the entire freaking Egyptian population was black. Nonsense... I don't think anyone here is calling you a Eurocentric especially not anansi who is not only the mod and a civil poster but well versed in this topic. Like I said no one here is calling you a Eurocentric. And I know personally you are not one. However, are you WILLINGLY to accept evidence people present to you? I'm not talking about Youtube videos, but scientific martial that has been spammed on BOTh ES sites. I would suggest reading anansi posts, because he is doing his best to be civil and break it down for you. No one here is saying Ancient Egypt was 100% black. That's like saying Greek and Rome were 100% white. But the founding people of these two civilizations were white just like the same for Ancient Egypt founders being blacks. Yes there were some non-black western Asians in the Lower Egypt delta, but they were a minority compared to the densely populated BLACK upper Egypt. As for "cultural melting pot", what do you mean? The culture of the DYNASTIC Ancient Egyptians was indigenous African of Northeast Africa. Cultural similarities with Middle Easterners and Europeans during the dynastic period is hardly seen. Again both me and anansi are both trying to start off slow by slowly breaking this down to you unlike with punosrey. There are MANY studies that state that the Ancient Egyptians had tropical body plans. That would mean they would cluster more with modern indigenous Africans and not non-Africans. This doesn't come as a surprise since the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians came from the green Sahara. Best I can do right now(busy) is tell you to read through this thread when you have the time. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/15/basic-database-nile-valley-studies^^^That is BASIC bio info about the Ancient Egyptians and how the cluster with indigenous Africans or "blacks." Since it is basic info it will be easier to resonate with you if you're not into anthropology. PS: Using pictures as an argumentative for the "race" or origins of the Ancient Egyptians is futile and useless. Best to use either historical texts or anthropological studies.
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Post by punosrey on Oct 27, 2016 21:00:37 GMT -5
SonofRa you and I both know what this guy is trying to pull but if you feel I'm being too hostile fine. I'm backing out you guys can keep entertaining this troll feigning a desire for actual debate and evidence.
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Post by Son of Ra on Oct 28, 2016 7:16:00 GMT -5
SonofRa you and I both know what this guy is trying to pull but if you feel I'm being too hostile fine. I'm backing out you guys can keep entertaining this troll feigning a desire for actual debate and evidence. Egyptsearch is NOT running another member off. I remember years ago I made two quality posters from Historum join the original Egyptsearch. They were ran off just because they had slightly different opinions. This guy is NOT repeat NOT a troll. You may have known him from Historum where he was going against those Eurocentrics with those threads he made! So again how is he a troll?
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