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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 28, 2017 9:27:41 GMT -5
According to modern genetic research we are pretty confident that white skin is a result of cumulative effect of genes. More specifically the mutation of certain genes results in pale skin or depigmentation . I prefer the word “depigmentation” because I think it is more correct. Henn and others use it. Depigmentation is the methodologically and also more accurate since I believe like Tishkoff and others suggest depigmentation may be humans “natural” state. And as recent studies have confirmed (Rees/Mekova were the first) Africans are and other dark people in other parts of the world are “forced” to be black. Tropical Africans carry the mutated forms of these genes (like SLC24A5 and SLC45A2), there are others like OCA2, HERC2, MC1R, TYR etc. But Africans do not carry “all the mutated genes all at once”. ie the result is black skin. After researching this for many years, I have come up with the scenario where Europeans turned white. We know that East Asians turned white based upon a different set of genes but we do not have enough data on ancient East Asians to confirm they were black like ancient European. We know Mesolithic Europeans were black but we do not know if Mesolithic East Asians were also black. But we do know that Mesolithic East Asians were tropical adapted like Neolithic Europeans. So how did Europeans turn white? We know it was recent..less than 5000years ago. We know Neanderthals and Mesolithic Europeans were black. We know incoming Neolithic Europeans from Africa brought in SLC24A5. We also know that SLC24A5 was the last piece to the puzzle. So the logical place to look for the clue was Neolithic migration path. So I decided to look for migration patterns where mtDNA of the Neolithics mimic pigmentation genes…and BINGO. I found it. We know that Neolithic started their path from the Sahara(really maybe close to Malawi) and bifurcate to the North East and North West. I knew that two genes are critical which are SLC45A2 and SLC24A5. When I saw the map showing that East African MButi carry derived SLC45A2 I almost fell off my chair. That was the clue I needed. I never knew that. Here is an ANCIENT untouched African hunter-gatherer group carrying derived SLC45A2!!!!! We also know that SLC45A2 was found in ancient Europeans (Mesolithic) but not SLC24A5. SLC45A2(derived) entered Europe first but was in low frequency so Europeans remained black because they did NOT carry the full complement of genes notably SLC24A5. SLC24A5 was the last complementary gene needed for depigmentation. Notice Native Americans, the most distant from Africans carry SLC45A2 but not SLC24A5. SLC24A5 ends where the Neolithic migration extended. That is the limit. Sergi and Coon suggested that the EurAfricans/Neolithic originated IN Africa and formed all these civilization as far as Harrapan Valley Pakistan/India. DNATribes confirmed this with “Basal Eurasian” analysis. From: Systematic identification of DNA variants associated with ultraviolet radiation using a novel Geographic-Wide Association Study (GeoWAS) Irving Hsu1,2,3
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 28, 2017 10:20:37 GMT -5
Cliff notes? SLC45A2 was part of the initial OOA migration since Melanesians and Paupan carry the derived allele which is also found in the hunter-gatherers of Africa. It cannot be of European origin since Native Americans carry the derived and ancestral version. Carring the gene(derived) does not make one white, tan, red, yellow and tawny etc. Paupans are black in pigmentation. SLC24A5 along with maybe other genes made FINALLY modern Europeans white. Ancient European like La Brana, Villabruna and Loschbour carried ancestral version of all these two genes so we can safely concluded they were black like the modern Nilo-Saharans and Melanesians who carries SLC24A5 or SLC45A2 derived. You need to carry BOTH and maybe more to make one “white”. So don’t go making up colors(yellow/tawny etc) to assign to ancient Europeans. By todays standard Melenesians are black skinned just as Dravidians and Nilo-Saharans. The first time ALL derived genes show up in Europe/North Africa was about 2000BC. I haven’t seen the data for Malawi-Hora-8100BP but I have a gut feeling he is derived at SLC24A5..at least heterogenous. La Brana related people who occupied Iberia to East Asia carried derived SLC45A2 (Neolithic?) Nilo-Saharans – who carry derived SLCC24A5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 28, 2017 10:31:55 GMT -5
Modern European who carry BOTH derived SLC45A2 and SLC24A5along with other derived genes Oh! And autosomally modern Europeans are closest related to modern Africans vs Melanesians and Native Americans in “unsupervised” Cluster Charts
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Post by kel on Dec 28, 2017 19:38:09 GMT -5
Albinism.
Often a side effect of radiation exposure (see Chernobyl and Fukushima fauna).
There was a supernova explosion about 7000 years ago which showered the earth with radiation......
This exposure caused damage to P gene and caused outbreaks of albinism.
In the tropics these folks died due to heat/UV but in areas North they could survive. Prolonged interbreeding amongst them which create a fixed trait.
(Also, interbreeding itself may contribute to it amongst primates)
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Post by asante on Dec 31, 2017 22:08:07 GMT -5
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Post by zarahan on Jan 1, 2018 18:45:19 GMT -5
Your chart does not show any Dravidian albinos. It shows certain clusterings of SWest Asians (Indians) with Europeans, as part of Cavalli-Sforza's attempts to link various Indo-European languages to genes, but this is a far cry from any Dravidian "albinism" and no credible scientist supports the claim that Euro pale skin is derived from albinism. What DJ-xyz posts above debunks such notions.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 1, 2018 21:28:08 GMT -5
Albinism. Often a side effect of radiation exposure (see Chernobyl and Fukushima fauna). There was a supernova explosion about 7000 years ago which showered the earth with radiation...... This exposure caused damage to P gene and caused outbreaks of albinism. In the tropics these folks died due to heat/UV but in areas North they could survive. Prolonged interbreeding amongst them which create a fixed trait. (Also, interbreeding itself may contribute to it amongst primates) Sounds rather dubious. Do you have any credible scientific sources (not personal web pages, blogs or Youtube videos CLAIMING this and that), but actual credible scholarly evidence that: 1) Albinism is often a side effect of radiation exposure? 2) The alleged supernova explosion 7kya ago showering the earth with radiation? 3) The exposure damaging the "P" gene? 4) What is the "P" gene by the way? Any relation to "P" Diddy? 5) Mystical mass die-offs from the alleged supernova exposure 7kya? 6) How prolonged interbreeding causes albinism among primates? You got some heavy lifting to do.
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Post by kel on Jan 1, 2018 21:33:07 GMT -5
Not really.
Every claim I have made has been proven many times over by many people.
Of course no "credible" scientist ( cough cough i.e. white) puts it all together to publicly proclaim that whites are essentially suffering albinism.
How about you investigate each claim and try to disprove it.
You have some heavy lifting to do.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 2, 2018 8:39:27 GMT -5
I tend to stay away from certain discussion primarily because it is a waste of my time if I get involved. I avoid getting caught up in hypotheticals arguments. We will go in circles forever. Not worth it. I tend to stick to the FACTS as much as possible….as published by research scientists . And of course the study must be relevant and CURRENT. We have to understand that many of these researchers are racialist and INFER the data from the study based upon their bias and prejudice. Some do it deliberately (Paabo, Reich , Tishkoff) and others do it to make a name for themselves. Few do it reluctantly in the name of science, progress and unraveling population history(eg Henn, Malmstrom).
Most if not all of the DNA data published is consistent with Isolation by Distance(IBD) with an equiCenter in Africa. There is no origin of “Eurasian DNA” in Eurasia. It cannot be. Because “Eurasian” DNA exist throughout Africa and originated IN Africa. Some scientist also makes it clear that “Eurasian” is only a label and probably originated IN Africa. Lazaridis made it clear than “Basal Eurasian” MOST probably originated in Africa. We as laymen get caught up in the labels and assign racial meaning towards it. But the label is deliberate..with the intent to feed our racial prejudice. Now Eurasian=Caucasian. Many of these researchers know better . They know that there is no Eurasian DNA originating in Eurasia. Their job is to feed the beast we call racism.
A clear example is Mota. He was first assigned having “Eurasian” DNA then they later “corrected” that saying he did NOT have Eurasian DNA. Now we have all these pre-historic ancient Africans from the same general area as Mota ..in fact older than Mota and originating further south in sub-saharan Africa Tanzania and Malawi who not only carried Eurasian DNA but more specifically European DNA. Some as much as 60% European DNA!!!!!!!!!!! And virtually no Asian(East Asian) DNA..consistent with 2 OOA event.
SKunglund was forced to admit that Eurasian DNA “possibly” could have originated in Africa.
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Post by melankhem on Jan 6, 2018 10:59:27 GMT -5
I have been reading this site for a while as many other sites on this copy of the cosmic records called internet and would like to make a few points.
1: The age of research is coming to an end as the original creation reconnects to the cosmic source through his/her DNA and the light of our Sun which is just a reflector transmitter designed for this system to transmit and receive information to and from the original. The hybrid has no connection to this source so their many lies are now being exposed to the original. Hence their attempt to block the sun and create an atmospheric dome to protect themselves.
2: There was a big war between the MOTHER ORIGIN and some of the creator "gods" who became rebels(the first fallen). These creator gods were the hand of the ORIGIN, creating for eons and placing the spirit of animation into these creations. Then a new creation was decreed by the MOTHER ORIGIN. It took place in our system. MAN was created. This MAN was given the SOUL of the MOTHER directly from the MOTHER instead of the spirit of the creator gods.
Some of the creator gods, led by Yahweh/Jahovah/Allah decided they will not agree to this and later attacked the MOTHER. This was the war that destroyed one of our system's planets and caused the disruption of the golden era of MAN. The rebels led by YAHWEH were now demoted and bound on Earth until the MOTHER would deal with them.
MAN was kept locked down by YAHWEH and cohorts after the war. The rebels could not allow them to "evolve" into SOUL beings any further, as they would in the end defeat him and his followers. Indeed, he manages to get some of MAN to follow his ways too.(the second fallen).
Then another was sent by the MOTHER to bring the LIGHT back to MAN, this was LUZIFER, the light bringer. He activated the spark of the MOTHER in MAN and YAHWEH promptly threw them out of the "garden", for YAHWEH has been masquerading as "GOD" to MAN. YAHWEH now denounced LUZIFER to MAN and made LUZIFER out to be "evil" and "devil" in the eyes of MAN.
Since that time YAHWEH has been masquerading to the whole Earth as "GOD" in his many guises as Jehovah, Allah and many others, and plans in his greatest appearance to come as Jeshuah for the salvation of MAN. He has prepared the way by his false teachings and doctrines, completely forgetting that he is just a creator and not the MOTHER, but jealousy causes irrational thought processes.
But now the SOURCE has opened(actually it always was open) to those who seek the true knowledge of MOTHER. This yearning and longing that was activated by LUZIFER is the key to accessing the SOURCE(record of all knowledge in the cosmos).
YAHWEH has been busy and with help from some of the other previous creations in other systems, has completely locked down MAN for generations, but there have been many seekers who have kept the LIGHT from going out. From the perspective of MAN in his/her sleepy state, this has been a long time, but for an infinite being, which they are when they realise this and fully awaken, it is just a few moments in the scale of cosmic time.
Some of us have accessed the SOURCE and now are making sure that MAN now knows the way to connect. As said before, the age of research was needed to bring them to a background knowledge of SELF, even though this has been tampered with by YAHWEH.
Now the age of research is ending and the only way to grow further is the direct connection to the SOURCE, to which YAHWEH and his followers and his second creation have no access. This was done to be able to recover the innocents who have been deluded and misled and that spark will be burning strong within those whose line has not been corrupted by them or their ancestors mixing with the second creation. It is all about the degree of "corruption", that is the loss of melanin(SOUL) due to mixing.
Because even a little bit of SOUL(melanin) is a part of the MOTHER and cannot be destroyed, MAN has in countless times tried to raise Mankind to the level of MAN by teaching them every time they reverted to savagery and animalism, but MOTHER has deemed they will only get a certain time for this else it would go on for ever.
All those of MAN who have joined forces with YAHWEH and his followers alongside Mankind that cannot be saved will perish and become the new sun in this system as MAN and those of Mankind who has the spark become the new creators under the direction of MOTHER but over all the other previous creations of the cosmos.
This is a short synopsis of things as revealed to me from the SOURCE.
Many will understand, that is, reject it, many others will innerstand and overstand to become who they were, are and always will be, MAN the manifestation of MOTHER in the Cosmos. An infinite being.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Oct 22, 2018 10:43:20 GMT -5
As I said. Europeans are depigmented Africans..mixed with an older population that left Africa 40K years ago ie Melaneisan/Dravidians
------------ PgmNr 2718: Tracing the evolution of pigmentation-associated variants in Europe. Authors: D. Ju; I. Mathieson
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Affiliation: Department of Genetics, Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA.
Human skin pigmentation is highly differentiated among populations. This variation has been shaped by both demography and selection driven by adaptation to local levels of UV radiation. Ancient DNA studies have provided direct evidence that alleles associated with light pigmentation in present-day Europe were at much lower frequencies in the past 10,000 years. However, to date, these studies have focused on a small number of large-effect loci and have not considered the wide range of variants involved in this polygenic trait.
To study the evolutionary history of pigmentation-associated variants in Europe, we first compiled a list of 43 variants associated with skin pigmentation in present-day populations. From this list, we computed pigmentation polygenic risk scores (PRS) for 1,030 ancient humans dating from 45,000-100 years BP as well as 2,814 present-day individuals. The oldest ancient Europeans (45-20,000 years BP) have pigmentation-associated variation within the range of present-day African populations, as shown both by the PRS and PCA of pigmentation-associated variants. Light pigmentation-associated variation increased in frequency over time (p=5.36E-33), a trend which persists when controlling for geography and ancestry (p=0.00114). All three major populations present in Holocene Europe (Early Farmers, Hunter-Gatherers and Steppe) show similar increases in light pigmentation-associated variation.
While the majority of light pigmentation associated alleles rose in frequency over time, others decreased due to drift and gene flow. To better understand the contribution of individual variants, we examined the behavior of each SNP in our PRS. We determined the factors driving each SNP with regression models and found that 17% of SNPs showed strong evidence for selection while 44% and 22% were driven by ancestry and geography respectively, demonstrating that only a subset of pigmentation-associated loci were strongly selected. Furthermore, we found that a majority of SNPs under selection were polymorphic in the earliest Europeans. We therefore demonstrate a robust trend of ****depigmentation *****in Europe over the past 45,000 years driven by both selection and demographic transitions. Finally, we investigate similar trends in the evolution of variants associated with hair and eye pigmentation.
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Post by kel on Oct 23, 2018 13:43:54 GMT -5
"We therefore demonstrate a robust trend of ****depigmentation *****in Europe over the past 45,000 years driven by both selection and demographic transitions."
......again. no one clearly answers where and when Euros became 'white'.
Black, brown, tawny ...even to Khoi san yellow....the normal variation we see in Africa..fine...
But where does the Euro white i.e.pink color come from and what is the exact process behind it ? The only satisfactory answer that i see to date is ALBINISM.
it became a fixed trait due to inbreeding and radiation (approx 7k yrs ago).
The only other question then is what happened to the aboriginal black populations and how/why the 'pink' somehow became the preferred color.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Oct 23, 2018 17:12:23 GMT -5
......again. no one clearly answers where and when Euros became 'white'. ... where does the Euro white i.e.pink color come from and what is the exact process behind it ? ... [endemic albanism] became a fixed trait due to inbreeding and radiation (approx 7k yrs ago). The only other question then is what happened to the aboriginal black populations and how/why the 'pink' somehow became the preferred color. Snow balling in the northwest north and northeast 😸
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Post by kel on Oct 24, 2018 10:26:12 GMT -5
"Snow balling in the northwest north and northeast"....... explain
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Oct 24, 2018 12:14:05 GMT -5
When? Obviously less than 5000years. Since La Brana , Loschbour up to Taforalt/IAM are all black. Even the Levant Neolithics were black. Even Motola(Sweden?) was black skinned. So we can conclude all Europeans were black up to the bronze age(Mathiesen et al). Why and how they turned white? Hmmmm. Look at the genes.
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