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Post by clydewin98 on Mar 13, 2018 7:24:21 GMT -5
Dr Winters said [I think we can call them Africans, just like we call whites in Australia and New Zealand Europeans. Why?? based on their appearance?? That's really dated thinking here is why. Denisovan DNA retained in Melanesians. science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6282/183.3Way back when, I thought along those same supposedly self-evident lines, based off casual eyeballing, but data is data,and we must follow where it leads,and it says different at least for the moment. And listen it in no ways say we cannot connect on a shared similar experience , I've met Melanesians and still consider them brothers and sisters Black folks is Black folks. I base the Melanesian relationship on archaeology and linguistics not personal appearance.The idea that Melanesians carry Denisovan DNA, "is made up stuff". It is made up because the Melanesians did not spread on to these Islands until the expansion of the Lapita culture. Eurocentrics invented Denisovan DNA--just like the so-called "ghost DNA", as a way to separate the so-called "True Negroes" of West Africa from Blacks in East Africa, North Africa and Melanesia. Europeans love to lie about our history and genetic heritage.
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Post by mike111 on Mar 13, 2018 9:14:48 GMT -5
^Clyde: Problem is, you can't tell who is just an ignorant negro needing education, and who is a White person "Faking" Black, (Black picture, icon, and all), so as to surreptitiously control the direction and scope of intercourse.
The Woody Strode character seems unduly irritated.
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Post by zarahan on Mar 13, 2018 10:55:16 GMT -5
Clyde, keep in mind that population genetics does involve hypothesis testing, and inferences themselves have to be tested against data. And just as various Eurocentrics push a particular point of view, so do you as well, for years on ES, and you have drawn much criticism from many ES regulars for your particular ideological view, from Djehuti, to Bass. All this is well known.
As regards Mike111 he is most notable for pushing his "albino" theories, which have little scientific validity, as demonstrated for years on ES. It makes no sense to repeat 10 years worth of debunked claims over here and then cry about "censorship" when challenged. Admins have every right to refuse a recycling of such discredited claims, but they have been preserved in the archives for all to see.
The desire seems to be for a free unfettered forum to push a particular ideological view, with an "open" format as in the old ES Ancient Egypt which had become a garbage dump for any and all material, free of any rules. All who do not agree are "cowardly" administrators and so on. But this "open" approach is not Reloaded. Those who are unhappy with this are free to go elsewhere. This is not their special preserve. If they don't like it - fine - simply move on. No need for dramatic manifestos trying to make out some sort of Afrocentric "martyrdom." Just go. Even Takuri got tired of the drama back on ES and lowered the boom.
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Post by anansi on Mar 13, 2018 12:54:12 GMT -5
Dr Winters said:I base the Melanesian relationship on archaeology and linguistics not personal appearance.The idea that Melanesians carry Denisovan DNA, "is made up stuff". It is made up because the Melanesians did not spread on to these Islands until the expansion of the Lapita culture. Eurocentrics invented Denisovan DNA--just like the so-called "ghost DNA", as a way to separate the so-called "True Negroes" of West Africa from Blacks in East Africa, North Africa and Melanesia. Europeans love to lie about our history and genetic heritage:
The black islanders did not sprang from the Islands, they crossed over from mainland Asia where such genetic influences took place well before and what is uniquely African about their language and material culture.
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Post by clydewin98 on Mar 13, 2018 20:47:58 GMT -5
Dr Winters said:I base the Melanesian relationship on archaeology and linguistics not personal appearance.The idea that Melanesians carry Denisovan DNA, "is made up stuff". It is made up because the Melanesians did not spread on to these Islands until the expansion of the Lapita culture. Eurocentrics invented Denisovan DNA--just like the so-called "ghost DNA", as a way to separate the so-called "True Negroes" of West Africa from Blacks in East Africa, North Africa and Melanesia. Europeans love to lie about our history and genetic heritage: The black islanders did not sprang from the Islands, they crossed over from mainland Asia where such genetic influences took place well before and what is uniquely African about their language and material culture. The evidence is placenames, vocabulary items and genes. There is no way Melanesians and have West African placenames unless they recently came from Africa. The Melanesians probably belonged to the Niger-Congo and Dravidian speaking communities that formerly lived in the Sahara-Sahel region until 5-6kya. The Melanesians formerly lived in Africa and/or South China/Southeast Asia before they sailed to the Pacific Islans, probably as part of the Lapita migrations. In figure 3 we see cognate Mande and Melanesian terms for vase, pot, arrow, cattle/ox, and fish. They also shared agricultural terms as well [*]Polynesian English Manding *talun fallow, land daa *tanem to plant daa *suluq torch, flame suu *kuDen cooking pot,bowl ku
As you can see the Melanesians and Africans are not only negroid they also share placenames and culture terms. No way they date back to 60,000 BC and have recent African place-names for their settlements.
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Post by mike111 on Mar 14, 2018 7:39:22 GMT -5
As regards Mike111 he is most notable for pushing his "albino" theories, which have little scientific validity, as demonstrated for years on ES. It makes no sense to repeat 10 years worth of debunked claims over here and then cry about "censorship" when challenged. Admins have every right to refuse a recycling of such discredited claims, but they have been preserved in the archives for all to see. Now I know you're a White guy faking Black. Hint - that makes you of very low character, don't even think about preaching. Additionally - your world is falling apart, all over the world, people have examined the data, and agreed that Whites derive from Albinos. One of the clinchers has been that Whites themselves LOOK for ALBINO genes when they examine ancient skeletal remains to determine race. How many modern studies depend on the SLC24A5 gene or the SLC45A2 gene to determine if the specimen was Black or White? Ha, ha, ha: well guess what! those are ALBINISM GENES! Exome sequencing identifies SLC24A5 as a candidate gene for nonsyndromic oculocutaneous albinism.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23364476SLC45A2 solute carrier family 45 member 2 [ Homo sapiens (human) ] Mutations in this gene are a cause of oculocutaneous albinism type 4. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/51151Luck for you, your comrade anansi has block images from Realhistory, otherwise I would post the studies themselves. Point being, until I get banned, I will expose you people at every turn.
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Post by zarahan on Mar 23, 2018 22:47:11 GMT -5
LOL I was born black, and I will die black, and I have been fighting for black people long before you showed up, with much more credibility, and much more substance, instead of pushing pseudo notions about "albino mutants." It has already been requested that people refrain from inserting such notions into various threads, but you still keep doing it. I summarize for the last time. You don't appear to understand your own posting material. SLC45A2 is associated with skin color, and oculocutaneous albinism is a disorder that AFFECTS THAT GENE. The article you post has nothing to say, and does not support, any laughable notions that white skin is CAUSED by albinism. Albinism is a skin disorder affecting people of ALL skin colors. Albinism is not the "cause" of the gene variant. The gene variant is already in place and albinism is a disorder coming after. This has been explained to you repeatedly over several years but you seem unable to grasp basic science. As a demonstration, let's quote your own "supporting" references: "Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes for nonsyndromic OCA1-4.."^^As any competent reader can see, OCA (albinism) does not "cause" the skin lightening variant. The gene comes first. OCA is a subsequent disorder of the gene. Your own "supporting" references debunks the "Albinoism caused white people" notion you are pushing. The second article you post, also undermines the very claim you are pushing, but you appear not to understand what you are referencing. QUOTE from your Gene ID: 51151 article: "Mutations in this gene are a cause of oculocutaneous albinism type 4." ^^LOL once again, the competent reader can see that its mutations in the gene that cause albinism. Albinism does not "cause" the gene. The gene comes first, before any albinism appears. Hence your repeated boilerplate bout how white people are a product of albinism utterly fails, and you yoself have provided 2 "supporting" references that debunk the very claims you are making. Trying to blame "the white man" or some sort of "conspiracy" cannot cover pseudo "science." Your typical tactic is to reference materials that "LOOK" as if they have some relevance to your pseudo claims, but as usual, not only do not support them, but rather debunk them. Most of the case info on your own site follows the same pattern- it "looks" as if it is of directly relevant, but it is material NOT AT ISSUE, or it actually debunks your case. Chastising and name-calling Anansi for blocking your images fails to see that he is justified in excluding such pseudo or irrelevant material. The only thing you are "exposing" is your own ignorance. But let's cut to the chase. Count 1: You are already in violation of forum guidelines regarding personal attacks against administrative staff, as already shown in the detailed guidelines Anansi gave you. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2673/keeping-count-threads-deleted-anansi?page=1#scrollTo=17425Count 2: In addition, up above you appear to be threatening to bring about disruption to the forum because you cannot get your own way. You also appear to still be making ad hominen attacks against other forum members, such as accusing them as "whites" and "fakes" (both charges being used in a disparaging sense), because they do not agree with you. This too is in violation of its guidelines. Count 3: It has already been requested in other threads that pseudo claims such as "white people are albinos" not be posted anymore on Reloaded. The matter has already been dealt with both at ES, and over here. But sill you keep inserting it again and again into various threads. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2648/?page=2I only summarize the case for new readers above, since you STILL insist on bringing it up, to demonstrate the pseudo nature of such claims using your own references, and as a warning. Should you persist in ignoring forum guidelines you will have irrevocable violations. Govern yourself accordingly.
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Post by mike111 on Mar 24, 2018 7:30:23 GMT -5
LOL I was born black, and I will die black, and I have been fighting for black people long before you showed up. Ha,ha,ha: RIGHT! You know, the other day I was watching the News, and there was this Christian coalition guy explaining how it could be that "Ostensibly" Americas most "Moral" people - Evangelical Christians: so loved and supported a Pathological liar, Serial Adulterer, Sexual Assaulter, and Traitor to the United States (Donald Trump). And it was very interesting watching him answer the questions: on the one hand, his face was smiling and serene, while on the other hand, the string of lies and mis-truths coming out of his mouth, was like a filthy river out of hell. And my only though was: Damn - these people (Evangelicals) have no respect for normal people.
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Post by mike111 on Mar 24, 2018 7:45:01 GMT -5
You don't appear to understand your own posting material. SLC45A2 is associated with skin color, and oculocutaneous albinism is a disorder that AFFECTS THAT GENE. The article you post has nothing to say, and does not support, any laughable notions that white skin is CAUSED by albinism. Albinism is a skin disorder affecting people of ALL skin colors. Albinism is not the "cause" of the gene variant. The gene variant is already in place and albinism is a disorder coming after. This has been explained to you repeatedly over several years but you seem unable to grasp basic science. As a demonstration, let's quote your own "supporting" references: "Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes for nonsyndromic OCA1-4.."^^As any competent reader can see, OCA (albinism) does not "cause" the skin lightening variant. The gene comes first. OCA is a subsequent disorder of the gene. Your own "supporting" references debunks the "Albinoism caused white people" notion you are pushing. The second article you post, also undermines the very claim you are pushing, but you appear not to understand what you are referencing. QUOTE from your Gene ID: 51151 article: "Mutations in this gene are a cause of oculocutaneous albinism type 4." ^^LOL once again, the competent reader can see that its mutations in the gene that cause albinism. Albinism does not "cause" the gene. The gene comes first, before any albinism appears. Hence your repeated boilerplate bout how white people are a product of albinism utterly fails, and you yoself have provided 2 "supporting" references that debunk the very claims you are making. See there, instead of threatening people, and banning people, all you have to do is debunk what they say. Isn't that what these forums are SUPPOSE to be about? And I'm sure you realize that when I assert and try to prove that White people are Albinos or derived from Albinos, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I am merely following the path of the "Scientific Method". So actually, it is YOU, because of you censorship of Albinism and Black genocides, who is against science and the betterment of man. As to your analysis of the studies and data: first lets learn about the pitfalls of censorship, then we can take little baby steps in that direction.
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Post by jhosx on Apr 6, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5
What an interesting thread that was ruined.
Would've loved to see what conversation would stem from Clyde's linguistic comparison.
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Post by asante on Apr 7, 2019 1:36:59 GMT -5
^Clyde: Problem is, you can't tell who is just an ignorant negro needing education, and who is a White person "Faking" Black, (Black picture, icon, and all), so as to surreptitiously control the direction and scope of intercourse. The Woody Strode character seems unduly irritated. Glad that I'm not the only one who peeped game!!!
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Post by anansi on Apr 7, 2019 2:19:18 GMT -5
^Clyde: Problem is, you can't tell who is just an ignorant negro needing education, and who is a White person "Faking" Black, (Black picture, icon, and all), so as to surreptitiously control the direction and scope of intercourse. The Woody Strode character seems unduly irritated. Glad that I'm not the only one who peeped game!!! The games I've peeped is disrupters like to disrupt especially when their POV is challenged, whilst others throws shade on their behalf.
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Post by asante on Apr 7, 2019 20:26:55 GMT -5
Glad that I'm not the only one who peeped game!!! The games I've peeped is disrupters like to disrupt especially when their POV is challenged, whilst others throws shade on their behalf. No one can forget that the internet is the ultimate way to infiltrate into our conversation to narrate the discussion. There is no verification process to see who is who. All some people need is knowledge of some corny dated "black" lingo and a profile pic with a black person on it. White folks (only them) have a history of this type of "strange" behavior throughout their recorded history. As I've stated here before (prior to seeing that Mike also has that opinion) that some things in the Egyptsearch community simply do not make sense. The strict adherence of Western academia ("Afro-Asiatic" language nonsense) is clearly an attempt to undermine the works of the master teachers who have picked those lies apart decades ago. The master teachers have never really been discussed in an appropriate manner in these discussions, and when they do some people attempt to criticize their work in the condescending ways that only people from outside of the culture would. The fact that what I argue in regards to our people coming from the Hapi Valley (a fact that has been stated and proven the World over for decades now) is considered "radical" and pushed off....Why is the truth being brushed off as "radical"...BECAUSE white people are pretending to be black in these conversation in order to narrate the direction of it. It's really not that hard to see at all...and it's quite humorous actually. The fact that someone else (and other people not mentioned) has stated this is all the confirmation needed. Some folks really do not understand what "white people" are (devils), and their purpose. The internet is being used by whites as a form of mind warfare, from the constant negativity being fed to some through social media, to the fake black profiles who infiltrate into every black conversation in everything from culture to politics. Whites are SHAMELESS about this behavior, because they think that no one will catch on.
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Post by anansi on Apr 8, 2019 13:18:29 GMT -5
The games I've peeped is disrupters like to disrupt especially when their POV is challenged, w hilst others throws shade on their behalf. No one can forget that the internet is the ultimate way to infiltrate into our conversation to narrate the discussion. There is no verification process to see who is who. All some people need is knowledge some corny dated "black" lingo and a profile pic with a black person on it. White folks (only them) have a history of this type of "strange" behavior throughout their recorded history. As I've stated here before (prior to seeing that Mike also has opinion) that some things in the Egyptsearch community simply do not make sense. The strict adherence of Western academia ("Afro-Asiatic" language nonsense) is clearly an attempt to undermine the works of the master teachers who have picked those lies apart decades ago. The master teachers have never really been discussed in an appropriate manner in these discussions, and when they do some people attempt to criticize there work in the condescending ways that only people from outside of the culture would. The fact that what I argue in regards to our people coming from the Hapi Valley (a fact that has been stated and proven the World over for decades now) is considered "radical" and pushed off....Why is the truth being brushed off as "radical"...BECAUSE white people are pretending to be black in these conversation in order to narrate the direction of it. It's really not that hard to see at all...and it's quite humorous actually. The fact that someone else (and other people not mentioned) has stated this is all the confirmation needed. Some folks really do not understand what "white people" are (devils), and their purpose. The internet is being used by whites as a form of mind warfare, from the constant negativity being fed to some through social media, to the fake black profiles who infiltrate into every black conversation in everything from culture to politics. Whites are SHAMELESS about this behavior, because they think that no one will catch on. Look!!! at the risk of capism I can honestly say that Zarahan has put in work at least a decade old, he is very concise , organized and to the point, personally, I couldn't ask for a better Allie in braking down the raw truth, making sense of it all, I have seen others used his talking and power points to devastating effects on other sites , including YouTube , he do us proud and He have my outmost respect.. We should be so lucky to have his contribution ....nuff respect Zarahan keep doing what u do.
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Post by asante on Apr 8, 2019 17:49:39 GMT -5
No one can forget that the internet is the ultimate way to infiltrate into our conversation to narrate the discussion. There is no verification process to see who is who. All some people need is knowledge some corny dated "black" lingo and a profile pic with a black person on it. White folks (only them) have a history of this type of "strange" behavior throughout their recorded history. As I've stated here before (prior to seeing that Mike also has opinion) that some things in the Egyptsearch community simply do not make sense. The strict adherence of Western academia ("Afro-Asiatic" language nonsense) is clearly an attempt to undermine the works of the master teachers who have picked those lies apart decades ago. The master teachers have never really been discussed in an appropriate manner in these discussions, and when they do some people attempt to criticize there work in the condescending ways that only people from outside of the culture would. The fact that what I argue in regards to our people coming from the Hapi Valley (a fact that has been stated and proven the World over for decades now) is considered "radical" and pushed off....Why is the truth being brushed off as "radical"...BECAUSE white people are pretending to be black in these conversation in order to narrate the direction of it. It's really not that hard to see at all...and it's quite humorous actually. The fact that someone else (and other people not mentioned) has stated this is all the confirmation needed. Some folks really do not understand what "white people" are (devils), and their purpose. The internet is being used by whites as a form of mind warfare, from the constant negativity being fed to some through social media, to the fake black profiles who infiltrate into every black conversation in everything from culture to politics. Whites are SHAMELESS about this behavior, because they think that no one will catch on. Look!!! at the risk of capism I can honestly say that Zarahan has put in work at least a decade old, he is very concise , organized and to the point, personally, I couldn't ask for a better Allie in braking down the raw truth, making sense of it all, I have seen others used his talking and power points to devastating effects on other sites , including YouTube , he do us proud and He have my outmost respect.. We should be so lucky to have his contribution ....nuff respect Zarahan keep doing what u do. I didn't mention anybody by name, nor am I limiting what I say to one individual. The fact of the matter is there is an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the master teachers. Some of their contributions to the academic aspects of ancient Kemetic research It makes no sense as to why the narrative of some of Afrocentrism's most pivotal books has not been outlined, and thoroughly examined by many (if any) in the last two decades. What reason would there be to make no mention of the book that Dr. Rishidi said changed his entire life (The Destruction of Black civilization)? There are such raw points of truth in that book that resonate to this very day, but it has been muted on an "Afrocentric" crowd. The stuff in that book is hard line truth, that would make anybody non black squirm! There is a "Shea Butter" type of Afrocentrism that has narrated alot of Egyptsearch's conversations over the last year, and that is just apparent as many have noted. As far as non blacks in our conversations....If they don't have the RESPECT enough for OUR people to identify themselves as an "other", then they need to be aired out point blank period. Then for them to use that false identity to interject into their tasteless stale white washed opinions into our social-politics....Oh that is such a violation.
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