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Post by homeylu on Apr 4, 2010 19:09:33 GMT -5
Jari, its because Jesus was a Jew, so naturally he practiced the Jewish tradition of passover.
Actually truth, you are the one confused. The origin of the Easter holiday comes from Christian bishops, 300 years after his death. Meanwhile passover was continuously celebrated during the 300 years before this decision by the JEWISH community. The early converts of Christianity DID NOT celebrate passover. So I fail to see how the origins of Easter as we know it are rooted in Passover.
These are separate celebrations that sometimes coexist in the same month, but are completely unrelated otherwise. The Jews are celebrating the exodus from Egypt, and the Christians are celebrating the resurrection of a Christ the Jews didn't even believe in, so how could you possibly argue that the former is rooted in the latter.
Please inform us of which Christian community eats unleavened bread , sacrifice lambs, or any other Passover traditions on Easter Sunday.
The Jews were left with specific instructions of how to celebrate their holiday from religious doctrines. However NO religious doctrine specifies how "Easter" should be celebrated, which is why many pagan rituals have penetrated into the traditions.
Even the date of celebration which corresponds with the Spring Equinox, have nothing to do with the resurrection which is supposed to have occured on the 3rd day. In this case to be more accurate, Christians should be celebrating the resurrection on the 3rd day of the new year, if the 1st day of the year is supposed to mark the death of Christ. When in actuality no one knows the exact date of death, all of the dates we use now are hypothetical.
Even hypothetically speaking, the only similarity of the spring equinox and the resurrection of Jesus, is the fact that spring represents 'new life' which began as a pagan ritual. And now somehow this "resurrection" became the new symbol of "rebirth", which is fine, but when left with the option of how to celebrate this resurrection, I find that many of the earlier converts to Christianity maintained many of their pagan traditions, they did NOT adopt any of the Jewish passover traditions as outlined in the laws of Torah.
Please specify which elements of the Torah law is practiced during Easter celebrations as we know it.
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 20:09:06 GMT -5
What is up w/your comprehension skill? If you have a problem with a custom that is practiced in a particular church or religion then...... SPECIFY; which religion or church do you have beef w/? Easter, as it is understood from a biblical perspective has its origin in pasach. You have no ground to stand on if you are bringing an indictment against the biblical holiday itself. The early church fathers are quite clear on the matter -- easter is the celibration of the resurrection of Jesus, the sacrificial Lamb. You know what I think, I think you got an issue w/anything practiced by white folk, PERIOD. You are obsessed w/finding fault w/the white world. I think you'd find something wrong in a cheesburger, just because white folk eat it (LOL)! You are what's called a "socio-path." You are anti-society. That is my psychological assessment of you. Jari, its because Jesus was a Jew, so naturally he practiced the Jewish tradition of passover. Actually truth, you are the one confused. The origin of the Easter holiday comes from Christian bishops, 300 years after his death. Meanwhile passover was continuously celebrated during the 300 years before this decision by the JEWISH community. The early converts of Christianity DID NOT celebrate passover. So I fail to see how the origins of Easter as we know it are rooted in Passover. These are separate celebrations that sometimes coexist in the same month, but are completely unrelated otherwise. The Jews are celebrating the exodus from Egypt, and the Christians are celebrating the resurrection of a Christ the Jews didn't even believe in, so how could you possibly argue that the former is rooted in the latter. Please inform us of which Christian community eats unleavened bread , sacrifice lambs, or any other Passover traditions on Easter Sunday. The Jews were left with specific instructions of how to celebrate their holiday from religious doctrines. However NO religious doctrine specifies how "Easter" should be celebrated, which is why many pagan rituals have penetrated into the traditions. Even the date of celebration which corresponds with the Spring Equinox, have nothing to do with the resurrection which is supposed to have occured on the 3rd day. In this case to be more accurate, Christians should be celebrating the resurrection on the 3rd day of the new year, if the 1st day of the year is supposed to mark the death of Christ. When in actuality no one knows the exact date of death, all of the dates we use now are hypothetical. Even hypothetically speaking, the only similarity of the spring equinox and the resurrection of Jesus, is the fact that spring represents 'new life' which began as a pagan ritual. And now somehow this "resurrection" became the new symbol of "rebirth", which is fine, but when left with the option of how to celebrate this resurrection, I find that many of the earlier converts to Christianity maintained many of their pagan traditions, they did NOT adopt any of the Jewish passover traditions as outlined in the laws of Torah. Please specify which elements of the Torah law is practiced during Easter celebrations as we know it.
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Post by homeylu on Apr 5, 2010 7:43:07 GMT -5
It appears that you are parroting some rehearsed cliche offered by religious fanatics who regret acknowledging the pagan aspects of several religious traditons, Easter being one of them. And your red herring response does not deceive me. I will not be distracted by your weak digressions. Your card has been pulled already.
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Post by jari on Apr 5, 2010 9:59:13 GMT -5
It appears that you are parroting some rehearsed cliche offered by religious fanatics who regret acknowledging the pagan aspects of several religious traditons, Easter being one of them. And your red herring response does not deceive me. I will not be distracted by your weak digressions. Your card has been pulled already. You are exactly right Easter is a Pagan Tradition that was added by "Western Christians" as it was celebrated going back into Roman Times, just now they added the Ressurection of Jesus to the mix. In reality one must ask What does "Easter Eggs", "Easter Bunny, and other non sense have to do with the Resurrection of Christ also where in the Bible does it say to celebrate the Death of Christ, other than the Passover Tradition there was no Early Christian celebration until the Western Church took over. This also applied to Christmas which is another Pagan celebration..
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Post by truth on Apr 5, 2010 11:11:32 GMT -5
As you are correct, perhaps you chould teach the little lady how to qualify her rhetoric, instead of making a dunce of herself by generalizing all xtianity. You are exactly right Easter is a Pagan Tradition that was added by "Western Christians" as it was celebrated going back into Roman Times,
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Post by homeylu on Apr 5, 2010 15:43:53 GMT -5
As you are correct, perhaps you chould teach the little lady how to qualify her rhetoric, instead of making a dunce of herself by generalizing all xtianity. How about you qualify your comprehension skills, instead of consistently grasping at straws to formulate a position. The only general statement I made about Christianity is the following: "For Christians, Easter marks the historical Crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. " Otherwise I accept your piggy back agreement with Jari, as your final concession.
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Post by truth on Apr 5, 2010 15:52:13 GMT -5
^My dear sweet sister, I believe I warned you about yellow journalism - "Is Easter a Christian or Pagan tradition." Furthermore, I did not concede to your position. I agreed to what the poster stated; he qualified his critique of xtianity by specifying to which xtianity he refers.
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Post by homeylu on Apr 5, 2010 16:09:51 GMT -5
Again, showing an inability to comprehend what was stated. The discussion is about EASTER not Christianity. Jari agreed that EASTER traditions are in fact rooted in Paganism, before realizing it you AGREED, hence conceded.
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Post by truth on Apr 5, 2010 16:42:09 GMT -5
^My comprehension is just fine. It is your MISREPRESENTATION of Easter, which is the problem. Additionally, Jari qualifies his critique. Take a look: Jari: You are exactly right Easter is a Pagan Tradition that was added by " Western Christians." I commend the brother for specifying which form of "Christianity" adopted the Pagan tradition. Now, if you go to the orient where Christian orthodoxy is practiced, you will not find what you are falsely claiming in this thread. In orthodoxy christendom, there is the observant of Easter in its original form. However, there is no bunny rabit or colorful eggs. That is a Roman Catholic tradition. You take care now miss Again, showing an inability to comprehend what was stated. The discussion is about EASTER not Christianity. Jari agreed that EASTER traditions are in fact rooted in Paganism, before realizing it you AGREED, hence conceded.
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Post by homeylu on Apr 6, 2010 9:41:20 GMT -5
^My comprehension is just fine. It is your MISREPRESENTATION of Easter, which is the problem. Additionally, Jari qualifies his critique. Take a look: Jari: You are exactly right Easter is a Pagan Tradition that was added by " Western Christians." I commend the brother for specifying which form of "Christianity" adopted the Pagan tradition. Now, if you go to the orient where Christian orthodoxy is practiced, you will not find what you are falsely claiming in this thread. In orthodoxy christendom, there is the observant of Easter in its original form. However, there is no bunny rabit or colorful eggs. That is a Roman Catholic tradition. You take care now miss Again, showing an inability to comprehend what was stated. The discussion is about EASTER not Christianity. Jari agreed that EASTER traditions are in fact rooted in Paganism, before realizing it you AGREED, hence conceded. Again, issues with comprehension. "I understand that many Catholics and Coptics do not have these 'commercialized' celebrations, but other Christians, especially here in the U.S. are practicing traditions without realizing their pagan history." The original question was how much pagan traditions was rooted in Easter itself, not how much is rooted in Christianity in general. Learn to interpret simple assertions please.
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