Look!.. all y'all I ain't got time to baby sit U guys, every time 24/7 y'all are grown assed men..special shoutout to Asante who like to crap in the swimming pool! I'm fixng to lock this thread or anyother if you guys can't play nice without catching feelings everytime..if u guys need another admin or mod..I can sign out and become just another viewer or content provider. My offline life is full as it is, many personal sht to attend to, this is just a labor of love for me.
Been too busy these days but dead thread has spring back to life. Gentlemen, lets cut the profanity across the board and just stick with the issues. So far I haven't heard any DETAILED critique as to the argument that Caribbean descendant folk who fled are entitled to be in on ADOS.
Is the exception invalid? Will it weaken ADOS overall, thus it is a bad idea? What? Less emotion, more logic.
Also Asante has yet to address some central criticisms of ADOS and similar reparations movements- that it is (a) politically unworkable, (b) will give easy distortion and propaganda opportunities to the racialist right wing base to mobilize, and (c) is a diversion from the real work of internal community building folk should be focusing on.
These criticisms have been around since the reparations movement started. Such movement is not new. Aside from calls for reparations that various activists have made since the 1940s, we had Randall Robinson's "The Debt" argument during the Clinton years. It is interesting that one of the most detailed thinkers on reparations- Robert Westley, in “Many Billions Gone”, advocated that a private trust be established for the benefit of ALL African Americans, based on need. THose who are the least needy and the least numerous would see the least amount of resources. If the relatively small Caribbean background or African immigrant populations are doing better socio-economically than native black Americans, then they would not see the shares of compensation more numerous native blacks would see in any case.
Professor Westley further suggests that the trust be funded for a period of no more than ten years- a time limit. Is this a good idea? HOw long is long enough? What about amounts? Westley does not name an amount. Is this good or bad? Any SPECIFIC, DETAILED commentary to put on the floor folks?
Robinson interestingly was a strong advocate of the Caribbean nations and indeed argued that part of the package should include US reparations to those Caribbean Basin nations it helped exploit- the list is long- starting with Haiti. Thus there could be a convergence of sorts based on need/socio-economic status, or based on nation to nation compensation, or based on Afro descendants who fled the US, etc etc. All these can work together. There is no "manhood challenge" at stake by recognizing that there are a variety of viewpoints and angles.
Which brings up another possible critique of ADOS some make - that SOME proponents are unnecessarily "divisive" when many of the various parts- from national compensation, to individual compensation can work together in parallel fashion, just as parallel Civil Rights tactics: Demonstrations/sit-ins, Court cases, and Political lobbying/voting worked together to move the struggle ahead. In other words, what better way to derail the movement than having the native blacks, African immigrants, and the Caribbeans squabbling between themselves. Divide and conquer.. Does anyone have anything constructive to say re - tactical convergence or coordination of different forces/approaches?
LEts have a detailed discussion of these options and angles rather than shallow blather about "coons." unnecessary profanity, and unnecessary emotionalism. I'm out of this thread, but the above applies to all across the board.
Last Edit: Feb 28, 2019 23:44:48 GMT -5 by zarahan
Note: I am not an "Egyptologist" as claimed by some still bitter, defeated, trolls creating fake profiles and posts elsewhere. You still fail..