Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 21, 2019 16:10:32 GMT -5
[dunno where else so parking in this folder]
#ADOS is the acronym of American Descendents of Slavery.
For a non-polemic non-prejudgemental non-ridiculing presentation mostly from "the horse's mouth" and constructive critique designed to uncover oversights, possible flaws, and integral missed points to tighten • Carnell & Moore's #ADOS institution and • the non-affiliated A.D.O.S. Society chapters in institutes of higher learning in 5 states -- not any other previous uses of an A D O S acronym or individuals' private definitions. Yes, those are valid but not the topic.
Specifically relation to, interaction with, and alliances with non-#ADOS blacks who recognize American blacks tracing lineage to ante-bellum USA enslaved blacks are indeed a distinct ethnic group that they do not belong to. An ethnic grouping that can claim no old country other than the USA.
Understood. Just like their ancestors who played down African antecedence to avoid 'repatriation' (as western buffers on African lands and relinquishing American citizenship and all rights due them in building the US into the 1st World economy in exchange for a new country of their own far overseas). It's strategic #ADOS subtract African from African American.
A census category lumping collerd negro colored black African American African as one yet delineating tiny Pacific groups as separate races is whack and allows confusing others as descendants of the USA chattels period when in fact they are not.
Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 21, 2019 16:47:45 GMT -5
Political organization around specific measureably attainable agendas is #ADOS' main objective. Reparations are only one issue.
Kenyans sued and received reparations.
CARICOM formally requested reparations on behalf of its island constituents.
One Black American has been trying to legislate reparations yearly since 1989.
Success seems anchored on a specific country and a relatively modest cost. Compare to multinational Caribbean claimants rebuffed by Europe. Or to the mucho lotto vast sum computable to America's descendants of slavery.
Cockroaches in Rooster courts? Lamb supplicaants before Lions? Oo MauMau. Time will tell.
Yeah, they offer an unpatented/non-trademarked Tee but that hardly justifes online informational presence as commercial vs organizational.
For whoever can hold attention longer than 30 seconds here's their ABOUT page:
#ADOS was started by the brain trust of Howard graduate and host of the Breaking Brown political show, Yvette Carnell, and UCLA alumnus and attorney, Antonio Moore who hosts the weekly radio show Tonetalks. ADOS—which stands for American Descendants of Slavery—seeks to reclaim/restore the critical national character of the African American identity and experience, one grounded in our group’s unique lineage, and which is central to our continuing struggle for social and economic justice in the United States.
In his book, American Slavery, American Freedom, the historian Edmund Morgan concludes that slavery was not a contradiction of American freedom, but rather that slavery was the institution that made white freedom possible. In other words, slavery was not a mistake so much as a precondition for a societal hierarchy which requires descendants of slaves to remain a bottom caste and be made to suffer the necessary failures of a brutal economic system. This was followed by a Jim Crow-era that saw #ADOS become actual contagions that lead to a destruction of wealth; through federally-supported, discriminatory practices like redlining, black presence literally made wealth disappear in communities, all while American whites—and more recently, immigrants— enjoy advantage in a land of apparently equal opportunity that was in fact manufactured on the back of black failure.
According to Yale historian David Blight, “by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.”
Codified by government and exploited by private actors, the creation of an #ADOS underclass served as the financial engine of a nation that never recognized the debt it owed to the group as a result. As such, the #ADOS movement is underpinned by the demand for reparative justice in making the group whole, and as a necessary component in fulfilling the promise of opportunity from which, by design, ADOS have been historically excluded and denied.
The truth of ADOS life is seen nowhere more clearly than the racial wealth gap in this country:
Closing the racial wealth gap requires a New Deal for Black America. President Trump’s assertion during the 2016 Presidential campaign that Black Americans “have nothing to lose” was met with defiance by those on the Left, but the data supported the statement. From over all wealth levels, to home ownership, to student debt levels and beyond African Americans across this nation are suffering. According to a study from Brookings, half of Black Americans who are born poor stay poor. Most Black kids who are born into middle class families are downwardly mobile. And as Duke University economist Dr. William “Sandy” Darity, and co-founder of the ADOS movement, Antonio Moore, along with other researchers observed in their [67 page] study What We Get Wrong About Closing the Racial Wealth Gap,
the concentration of ADOS at the bottom economically is a consequence of lack of wealth transfers and multi-generational oppression, not individual agency or cultural patterns:
#ADOS #AmericanDOS sets out to shift the dialogue around the identity of what it is to be African American in an effort to move the discussion from melanin, and properly center the discussion around lineage.
... we state it to be false that trying harder, mimicking “successful” ethnic groups, or a number of other myths we address will correct the issue of growing wealth disparity. In our findings we systematically demonstrate that the narrative that places the onus of the racial wealth gap on black defectiveness is false in all of its permutations.
Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 22, 2019 16:22:12 GMT -5
Don't even try it, #ADOS isnt ageist and it puts non-blacks in their place in relation to The Struggle.
"Paternalism is when self appointed experts tell the poor and oppressed what they need. Partnership is empowering the poor to get what they know they need." - Kevin Cosby (on outsiders who think they know more about blacks and whats better for blacks than blacks themselves do)
Bricks Without Straw: Black America, The West Louisville Forum & the Need to Shift the Giving Paradigm
‘A billionaire should not have the right to tell us—descendants of slaves—that you don’t get your justice. That your unpaid time, your unpaid labor, the oppression of over four-hundred years does not get to be paid because I don’t think I have enough money and I don’t care and I don’t desire to fund it.’
As a substitute, Carnell says, American Descendants of Slaves must advocate for greater government involvement in redistributing tax dollars, which is to say, redistributing power.
'8 HBCUs have over 90 per cent of their students receiving Pell Grants,’ he says, ‘Harvard is 11 per cent.’ And for Moore, the money that feeds into that latter institution—and which then circulates throughout other white-dominant spaces—is destined to remain as segregated as the nation itself: ‘What happens under philanthropic redlining is that the 90 per cent of Harvard that doesn’t receive Pell grants just gives to each other,’ he says. ‘They give to each other for all kinds of endeavors, but none of those endeavors deal with correcting why black people have to receive Pell Grants.’
Carnell looks out into the pews before her and counsels: ‘Your life, and what is happening to Simmons College…what you are seeing is a starving out. We are being starved out. And we are not any help to ourselves in terms of how we’re being starved out because we believe that societies are structured by personal agency rather than structures and institutions.’
Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 22, 2019 16:45:35 GMT -5
There has only been one college to make a comeback of the HBCUs. Only one in history. One that went down and came back. It’s Simmons. And let me say this: the reason why it came back was not because of black folk money.” — Reverend Dr. Kevin Cosby
‘I went to a white man named David Jones Sr., and said, “Mr. Jones, I know nothing about higher education. I’m a pastor. Simmons is about to close. It has no money. It has no accreditation. But it’s a historic institution that can become Louisville’s HBCU if somebody invested in it.” And guess what he did? He gave the school in February—Black History month of February of 2005—unrestricted funds in which he said, “Here’s a check for a million dollars.” And the same thing has happened to the Gheens Foundation, who is here, and thank God for them…We have a headquarters building that was the former—check this out—the former Sons of the American Revolution because the Brown Foundation gave the school three-million dollars.
black institutions in the U.S. have generally been rendered impotent and hobbled in their purpose. Nonetheless, as a model of white cooperation, the investment of resources into Simmons College of Kentucky is instructive because it demonstrates not only what is possible with an allyship that defers to the leadership of black people, but also what the supporting role that whites ought to play in the project of black liberation looks like.'
What I’m talking about is the importance of white people being led by black people.This is St. Stephen. That’s Reverend Cosby. So you’re willing to learn what you should be doing from us. And not enough do we have white people who are willing to be led by black people in these types of organizations.
I hope the divisionist, integrationist, and those getting smoke blown up their asz by non-blacks here learn something from an OT, Rev Cosby, who afaict is behind the #ADOS related A.D.O.S. Society (American Descendants of Slaves Society). Note the diff words S stands for in either acronym.
Yeah he bought and took over my old church (back in the day) "Young's Chapel". which is right around the corner from his mega church St. Stephens and across the street from Kentucky's oldest black owned restaurant. He turned the church into a homeless shelter, and the city is giving him shit about it this month. I was skeptical of the reverend at first (only because of the association with the church), until I heard him on Louisville's top hip-hop station. The station hosted a special community - police forum, and Cosby lit their arsses UP!!! He broke down the history of social-economic racial injustice of Louisville in particular in a way that made the honkey officer cringe in his voice. That man is for the people!
Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 22, 2019 17:48:03 GMT -5
Git outta heeyah!
You're in the #ADOS A.D.O.S. physical heartland so to speak.
The West Louisville Forum is a series of monthly discussions on African-American empowerment topics sponsored by Simmons College of Kentucky and Empower West, a coalition of Louisville area pastors and churches focused on revitalizing west Louisville.
#ADOS movement founders Carnell & Moore have attended twice.
Wednesday’s talk entitled “Philanthropic Redlining: The Illusion of Inclusion Part II,” was a sequel to one Moore and Carnell gave at St. Stephen in September during the 2018 Angela Project Summit, an annual gathering focused on the legacy of black enslavement in America.
The second part of their discussion focused on the philanthropic foundations being set up by the ultra rich to donate money to social causes. Rather than altruism, the speakers said, billionaires use their benevolence to justify not paying their fair share of taxes while also advancing their own political and social agendas.
Moore and Carnell believe these foundations undermine democracy by starving the federal government of needed resources.
One thing history shows is certain a broad real people's movement changes things can't be stopped is the Avatar of a people not its politicians or hucksters
Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 22, 2019 17:48:30 GMT -5
Although they make up only a small segment of educational institutions, Moore said, historically black colleges produce 50 percent of the African-American professionals in the country. Bloomberg’s money would have been more effective, he added, had it been put in the federal system.
Moore warned that the situation will get worse in the next few years because the tax reform law passed by Congress in 2017 eliminated charitable deductions for small donors but expanded them for the wealthy.
Money is just one component of wealth, Moore said, the other is social capital and African-American organizations are at risk because few of them have individual relationships with big donors.
“We are entering a process where selective giving is who you know, not what you are actually doing for the community.
Social activist Cassia Herron said it was ironic that Cosby would be hosting the discussion because he has a history of working with conservative lawmakers and corporations with agendas that are harmful to the African-American community.
Herron cited in 1998 he invited former Republican U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich and then U.S. Rep. Anne Northup, R-3, to Simmons after they presented the school with a $1.6 million federal grant.
“We wrote a grant through Congress because we are taxpayers. And because we are taxpayers, we have a right to have some of that money returned to our community. I didn’t get any money from Northup, I got my tax dollars redirected back to my community,” Cosby responded.
I just saw how in the other active "ADOS" thread (that has been closed) the points that I made were never addressed in any way shape or form, and one of the main detractors from the American descendants of slaves political movement accused me (the same guy who created the "Tamahu" thread and the Hapi Valley thread) of being a "white boy". I It's laughable, and I won't detract from your thread about that individual. It's just "weird" that you don't see any native black Americans who are not followers of the old black media rejecting the ADOS movement. Can anyone reference a podcast or popular native black personality against it? The arguments against ADOS just seems like something that a non black person like Elizabeth Warren (who wants to include "native Americans" into her already minuscule dollar amount proposal for reparations) would argue, which is bullsh*t that nobody is buying. Almost only through the anonymity of the internet do you see black people against ADOS. It's just strange, but anyway here is an African brother who fully supports the ADOS movement.
That's a real deal solid Afrikan brother speaking in the video, not a co-opted immigrants coon.
Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 1, 2019 16:09:19 GMT -5
95% in agreement, up to the 19 or 20 min mark. I think that's the part of the vid relevant to this thread. Too bad he doesn't get it that the word African isn't in #ADOS.
The whole point of the A is the USA American nationality and identity. He does rightfully understand Black Americans are a unique ethnicity not a conglomerate.
We aren't all the same just because we all are blacks. Non-blacks can see no difference in blacks. They see Chinese Koreans and Japanese differently. They can distinguish Manx Welsh Saxon Scot and Irish. Even clueless blacks do that but do as ytes dictate when it comes to lumping their own.
Instantly accruing civil rights due all citizens isn't enough for some. I think some black immigrants to the USA just want whatever they can get at the expense of the Black Americans. Black Americans have no other homeland, culture, or mother tongue. They deserve centuries old recognition not this new 21st Century submersion and relegation.
African, black Caribbe/W Ind, black Brit/Euro, and black S Amer, we each and all have 'close and recent' connections elsewhere.
The true Black American has no one else to turn to and nowhere else to go. Excepting the original Turtle Islanders, all, I mean ALL other Americans do. [Damn the U.S.Trump deporting productive law abiding refugee Mauritanians to their certain torture and slavery and possibly death.]
It's unfortunate USA Maafa descendants chose a colour as their ethnic identity and name. History attests why capital B Black is their unshared ethnonym not a shared description.
Igbo are not Yoruba Both are Kwa. Should Igbo receive what's due Yoruba?
Why do non-blacks, with black collaborators, now want to make jellyjam&preserves from what was never Strange Fruit?
It's to the ytes advantage (and perverted glee) to see immigrant blacks unfamiliar with yte america to be the ahistorical brand spanking new (yet phony) 'African Americans'.
[look out! here comes the longest run-on sentence ever]
Now the ones, the lineage founders, who from 1565 to 1865 • worked what became USA lands for free, • did everything to resist deportation masking as repatriation,
and from 1865 to 1965 • filled Reconstruction political offices, • suffered the consequences of that, • fought in American wars as American soldiers, • 'learned christianity' from knight ghosts with burning crosses, • swung from poplar trees at yte family picnics, • maimed or killed if trying to defend wife or underage daughter from yte men thirsty for black lipsbuttsvaginas w/o proper courting, • served as medical guinea pigs, • welcomed and married non-USA blacks, • pushed for civil rights citizens other than themselves benefit more from,
have taken on an ethnic lineage (not heritage or colour) identifier, ADOS, finally beginning real 'lobby' politics with the hashtag #ADOS movement and A.D.O.S. Society college/university chapters.
here is a sister ( Tressie Mc Millian Cottom Ph.D) I just got wind of last month with her book " THICK" from what i have heard of her in checking out her video's etc. I really like this sister...she speaks to the issue on her long talk about her book & more... the topic of ADO starts about 1:15:52 in the video , but for me the whole video is worth checking out for what this Black Women has to say about being Black & Woman & thick ...she is a professor Sociology
Seen anybody wearing one of those? How bout this one?
Hope the lawyer got #ADOS trademarked and these shirts and hoodies are legit. If the lawyer ain't got this, well, I don't expect more out of the #ADOS movement than lip, and it needs bidness admin heads or else a dpt handling realities in this world. Cos it sure n hell looks like ytes r designing marketing and profiting off the name #ADOS.
Whoever has trademark can stop anyone else using the name and getting $$$. Remember the Famous Amos!
Anybody does social media and subscribes • Breaking Brown • Tonetalks please give em a shout and a shake awake.
Edit Nevermind, she already know and don't care.
BreakingBrown (Yvette Carnell) · Apr 15 Not only have people been asking for tshirts since forever, but everyone EXCEPT Antonio and I were selling them. I swear there are ADOS shops all over the web SMH
Until the GOP white conservative party makes worthwhile offers specifically to ADOS then vote DEM straight down the line unless your political research uncovers a candidate politically in tune. Best said at the 57 minute mark here m.youtube.com/watch?v=x-TOZ9gE46M