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Post by nebsen on Sept 15, 2019 23:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by nebsen on Sept 18, 2019 16:53:39 GMT -5
Jari said: he 400 yrs thing is def. from the influence of the Bible, I still will use it from subconcious memory of church sermons. They don't so much reference the Bible as the landing of the 20 blacks in VIrginia in 1619 which gives a neat 400 year number- leading into 2019. Some folk have tried various numerology calculations claiming that blacks are the tribe of Israel, so 360 years of slavery and Jim Crow plus 40 wilderness years since civil rights yielding a neat 400- etc etc.. but the calculation seems a stretch. Thats the thing I have against 1619 though, in that the first African enslaved goes back before that. Also if they want to start with Slavery, why not start with the first Black, Christianized Moor, Estanvancio who accampanied the Spanish to North America or the Free born Black Conquistadors who fought with Portuguese and Spanish Invaders. Which is why some say the Spanish should be in the hook for some reparations. I love how the video claims that the history beggining in 1619 threatens "Whiteness", when in fact some of the first Africans to step foot in the New World did so as party to Conquistadors. Kinda puts the whole Whites=Conquerors idea on its head. That and the history of Bacon's Rebellion and Buffalo Soldiers etc. will challenge both Black and White Supremacy IMO. True enough, these contradictions make the case more difficult. The only way for any segment of the American population besides Blacks to support reparations is to be educated on just how F-ked up the situation was for blacks. We were literally denied the basic nessecities despite generating the wealth of the American Economy. Our poverty was encoded in law and upheld by North and Southern Whites, Western, Mid West, New England etc. all participated and adopted Jim Crow Laws. There are clear examples of African Americans thriving when given access to Land and Law, same as Whites and others who are now doing better than us. There really is not excuse, but TBH the American public is a poorly educated one, esp. the rightwing, so I dont advocate for Reparations in that its never going to happen. Agreed in part. Many whites know but are in denial because it opens up a lot of embarrassing exposure. It is better many believe NOT to know, or to change the subject. And when you look at the case realistically, most whites are not really that interested in black problems, save as they are inconvenienced or forced to face them, as King, Shuttlesworth, and SNCC did in their confrontation and boycott campaigns. To this can be added the lawsuits of the legal side of the struggle via the NAACP which many found very irritating. BUt whether then or now, the blunt bottom line is that white people are are focused on themselves first not blacks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what WEB Dubois had to say in the 1930s. He qualifies the case- noting some are
neutral but fearfully go with the flow, and not all whites are enemies. Much of whath said
is still relevant: "The colored people of America are coming to face the fact quite calmly that most white Americans do not like them, and are planning neither for their survival, nor for their definite future if it involves free, self-assertive modern manhood. This does not mean all Americans. A saving few are worried about the Negro problem; a still larger group are not ill-disposed, but they fear prevailing public opinion. The great mass of Americans are, however, merely representatives of average humanity. They muddle along with their own affairs and scarcely can be expected to take seriously the affairs of strangers or people whom they partly fear and partly despise.
For many years it was the theory of most Negro leaders that this attitude was the insensibility of ignorance and inexperience, that white America did not know of or realize the continuing plight of the Negro. Accordingly, for the last two decades, we have striven by book and periodical, by speech and appeal, by various dramatic methods of agitation, to put the essential facts before the American people. Today there can be no doubt that Americans know the facts; and yet they remain for the most part indifferent and unmoved."--WEB Dubois (1934) W.E.B. Du Bois, “A Negro Nation Within a Nation” Yes Africans came before 1619 ..a couple of years ago PBS did a documentary about that which I will include the link to the documentary here. this project 1619 is about the" English Colonies" which is stated up front by Hanna Jones check out the video 1619..Also about Martin Roland..I doubt that many whites even watch his podcast show most of his viewers..I'm sure are Black folks..Also I noticed that no one here even brought the subject up..for I even waited to see if anyone would... so I posted about it..we do deal with Black history here right !!! Here is the link about the Spanish Colonies ..also if one wanted to get technical..we can go back to the Olmacs civilization in Mexico as one of our 1st landing in America..you get my drift here.. www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/secrets-spanish-florida-full-episode/3666/ |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Sept 19, 2019 7:10:58 GMT -5
It was not "400 years that enslaved Africans came to these shores" time.com/5653369/august-1619-jamestown-history/ nor was Olmeca an African transplant and if it were it has nothing to do with slavery in what would become USA lands. Even after the 13 English colonies became a nation French were enslaving Africans in 'Louisiana' as Spanish were in post 1783 'Florida'. Not only those two but other enslavers are now getting a pass too, I mean the various Turtle Island nations. They even marched their enslaved Africans along the Trail of Tears. Opinion: any reparations from the USA gov wouldn't include pre1776 slavery and wouldn't absolve 'Skins of their obligations. However, only the USA is responsible for post 1776 slavery, post Reconstruction terrorism, Jim Crow, and Jim Crow Jr. 1619 is the Anglo centered big date. 1565 is the Afro centered big date. Which perspective are Blx at large learning and embracing? Why? Cos it's the law? www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1242/text/plHere's what 1619 Virginia means to Ytes stream.org/trump-commemorates-400-years-american-self-government/
• www.voanews.com/usa/amid-boycotts-trump-marks-400-years-democracy-america400 Years (Aframs borrowed it from the Bible) 1619 - first sale in Brit Euro colony 2019 - no significant event 1565 - first sale in any Euro colony 1965 - major civil rights enactment (GE 15:13 [God] said to Abram, 'Know for sure that your descendants will be foreigners in a land that is not theirs for 400 years. They will be enslaved and oppressed.) At one time Aframs strongly identified with Israel enslaved in Egypt. Other Anglophones utilize the concept too, hear Peter Tosh sing 400 years. |
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Post by nebsen on Sept 19, 2019 16:26:03 GMT -5
Come on..!! I was making a point about the Olmacs..common sense tells any thinking person it was not about slavery..I have never really tied the date 1619 with" Reparations" I can see why if others choose to..but that was not my intent.. so lets get that Clear ! ! As far as Egypt & slavery..any body worth their salt on this site knows that is a" myth" of the bilbel for it never took place... Exodus was written doing the so call Babylonian captivity ... some 700 years later.. The bible & 400 years was the farthest thing from my mind when I posted this topic..but it seems to occupy a lots of mental thought with others like yourself here on ESR...I'm all open for some" Fresh Thinking" on the topic but it seems like I'm getting a lots of" redundancy" about the topic..I agree with Martin Roland about time to" RETHINK" about all of this... this is 2019 we have a whole new generation of Black folks & others who need to learn about the matter; regardless of what date one settles upon.. & who might bring some new insights & ways of being around this for the 21 century..
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Post by zarahan on Sept 19, 2019 18:36:46 GMT -5
Come on..!! I was making a point about the Olmacs..common sense tells any thinking person it was not about slavery..I have never really tied the date 1619 with" Reparations" I can see why if others choose to..The video below shows Professor Jane Landers, who has written extensively on blacks in the Spanish colonies, make the point that the Spanish side of the history has been airbrushed away so mostly Anglo history or perspectives get the attention. Too often all people know about is Kunta Kinte chopping cotton somewhere in Mississippi or Alabama rather than the fuller, broader more diverse picture of blacks on the Spanish side, including the first free black settlement, and the first 'underground railroad' marronage in the US, as in the fighting black escapees and rebels of FLorida, or free craftsmen-carpenters, boat builders, brick layers etc and even soldiers, alongside slavery. Landers has also written several books on the topic as shown below like Black Society in Spanish Florida.I think you have to delve into detailed text rather than just rely on Youtube, to get the full history on things though Ytube might be good for a quick overview.  www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/89txp6pt9780252067532.htmlDESCRIPTION Black Society in Spanish Florida by Jane LandersAwards and Recognition: • Co-winner of the Francis B. Simkins Award, Southern Historical Association, 2001 • A CHOICE Outstanding Academic Title, 2000 The first extensive study of the African American community under colonial Spanish rule, Black Society in Spanish Florida provides a vital counterweight to the better-known dynamics of the Anglo slave South. Jane Landers draws on a wealth of untapped primary sources, opening a new vista on the black experience in America and enriching our understanding of the powerful links between race relations and cultural custom. Blacks under Spanish rule in Florida lived not in cotton rows or tobacco patches but in a more complex and international world that linked the Caribbean, Africa, Europe, and a powerful and diverse Indian hinterland. Here the Spanish Crown afforded sanctuary to runaway slaves, making the territory a prime destination for blacks fleeing Anglo plantations, while Castilian law (grounded in Roman law) provided many avenues out of slavery, which it deemed an unnatural condition. European-African unions were common and accepted in Florida, with families of African descent developing important community connections through marriage, concubinage, and godparent choices. Assisted by the corporate nature of Spanish society, Spain's medieval tradition of integration and assimilation, and the almost constant threat to Spanish sovereignty in Florida, multiple generations of Africans leveraged linguistic, military, diplomatic, and artisanal skills into citizenship and property rights. In this remote Spanish outpost, where they could become homesteaders, property owners, and entrepreneurs, blacks enjoyed more legal and social protection than they would again until almost two hundred years of Anglo history had passed. "A truly original, beautifully and skillfully researched, conceived, and written work which will have a major impact upon how colonial United States and Caribbean history will be understood in the future."--Gwendolyn Midlo Hall, author of Africans in Colonial Louisiana: The Development of Afro-Creole Culture in the Eighteenth Century Jane Landers, an assistant professor of history at Vanderbilt University, is the author of Against the Odds: Free Blacks in the Slave Societies of the Americas and African American Heritage of Florida. Peter H. Wood, a professor of history at Duke University, is the author of Black Majority: Negroes in Colonial South Carolina from 1670 through the Stono Rebellion.
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Post by zarahan on Sept 19, 2019 19:45:19 GMT -5
this is 2019 we have a whole new generation of Black folks & others who need to learn about the matter; regardless of what date one settles upon.. & who might bring some new insights & ways of being around this for the 21 century..
Fair enough, and in line with that it could be said that what is needed is a fresh look at the
Spanish side, oppressive as it was at times. The picture is much more diverse, just like today's
African Americans.
Afams are no longer the monolithic picture, but include millions of Caribbean folk,(from Haiti
to Jamaica, to Panama), and immigrants direct from Africa. Many of these people are naturalized,
and some of them identify primarily with other Spanish or French creole language speakers first, or with
their particular tribal/ethnic language group back in Africa first, though all accept the greater
American framework. Many of these folk are hard-nosed competitors. You will seldom find African
background kids for example wasting time in school they way SOME native Black American kids do.
Same for many of the Caribbeans. Thus native blacks not only have to compete against surging
Hispanic and Asian populations, and the usual whites hogging the board, but must increasingly
face tough African- Caribbeans. Its a lot more diverse world out there now.
So the diverse Spanish picture side points to more mixed patterns. The takeaway is that while
black folk have faced tougher times, times will still remain tough. The days of Lyndon Johnson,
Richard Nixon's Black Capitalism (which per some accounts doubled the number of black banks), or
Bill CLinton's many black appointments, or even George Dubya's faith and social initiatives, which
to some extent, relatively speaking, pumped some money into black communities, are long gone.
The second decade of 21st century has brought a "we don't give a damn about you" spirit to the fore,
as epitomized in the Trump admin, though he is not unique. Asians, Hispanics and whites are all
hustling to get ahead. Ultimate bottom line is that don't give a damn about blacks. Its every man
and group for himself/themselves.
Some black folk pinned their faith and hope in black Messiahs like Obama, but how did that work out?
Some pin their hopes on reparations, but given that 80-90% of whites are opposed, reparations are on a
slow boat to nowhere, and only encourages other groups to demand an equal share, just as white women
insisted that they be included in civil rights Act coverage that originally was designed to redress the
massive, centuries old handicaps forced upon black Americans. The Civil RIghts Act debates show white
female legislators arguing that they would be left behind if blacks got basic rights. They had a
point, but the general point is that once black folk are seen getting a share of something from
the gubment everybody else steps up and clamors for a cut. Which is another scenario where reparations
even if going thru in some form, will be watered down and diluted by "cuts" for everybody else.
Today's black youth need that blunt reality driven home. A lot of time is being wasted in schools,
and a lot of nonsense is being done on the streets, while these other people are moving ahead.
While some of the best and brightest focus on white people and their sins, or petitioning white
people to pay more attention, these other groups are putting their PRIMARY time into getting ahead
economically. Are there exceptions? Sure, but what Dubois said in the 20th century is still the
pattern for the 21st.
"Indifferent and unmoved" towards blacks might be applied to the many other groups now at the table.
We already know the answers for what needs to be done, but how effective is the execution?
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Post by nebsen on Sept 19, 2019 20:29:26 GMT -5
Come on..!! I was making a point about the Olmacs..common sense tells any thinking person it was not about slavery..I have never really tied the date 1619 with" Reparations" I can see why if others choose to..The video below shows Professor Jane Landers, who has written extensively on blacks in the Spanish colonies, make the point that the Spanish side of the history has been airbrushed away so mostly Anglo history or perspectives get the attention. Too often all people know about is Kunta Kinte chopping cotton somewhere in Mississippi or Alabama rather than the fuller, broader more diverse picture of blacks on the Spanish side, including the first free black settlement, and the first 'underground railroad' marronage in the US, as in the fighting black escapees and rebels of FLorida, or free craftsmen-carpenters, boat builders, brick layers etc and even soldiers, alongside slavery. Landers has also written several books on the topic as shown below like Black Society in Spanish Florida.I think you have to delve into detailed text rather than just rely on Youtube, to get the full history on things though Ytube might be good for a quick overview. www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/89txp6pt9780252067532.htmlDESCRIPTION Black Society in Spanish Florida by Jane LandersAwards and Recognition: • Co-winner of the Francis B. Simkins Award, Southern Historical Association, 2001 • A CHOICE Outstanding Academic Title, 2000 The first extensive study of the African American community under colonial Spanish rule, Black Society in Spanish Florida provides a vital counterweight to the better-known dynamics of the Anglo slave South. Jane Landers draws on a wealth of untapped primary sources, opening a new vista on the black experience in America and enriching our understanding of the powerful links between race relations and cultural custom. Blacks under Spanish rule in Florida lived not in cotton rows or tobacco patches but in a more complex and international world that linked the Caribbean, Africa, Europe, and a powerful and diverse Indian hinterland. Here the Spanish Crown afforded sanctuary to runaway slaves, making the territory a prime destination for blacks fleeing Anglo plantations, while Castilian law (grounded in Roman law) provided many avenues out of slavery, which it deemed an unnatural condition. European-African unions were common and accepted in Florida, with families of African descent developing important community connections through marriage, concubinage, and godparent choices. Assisted by the corporate nature of Spanish society, Spain's medieval tradition of integration and assimilation, and the almost constant threat to Spanish sovereignty in Florida, multiple generations of Africans leveraged linguistic, military, diplomatic, and artisanal skills into citizenship and property rights. In this remote Spanish outpost, where they could become homesteaders, property owners, and entrepreneurs, blacks enjoyed more legal and social protection than they would again until almost two hundred years of Anglo history had passed. "A truly original, beautifully and skillfully researched, conceived, and written work which will have a major impact upon how colonial United States and Caribbean history will be understood in the future."--Gwendolyn Midlo Hall, author of Africans in Colonial Louisiana: The Development of Afro-Creole Culture in the Eighteenth Century Jane Landers, an assistant professor of history at Vanderbilt University, is the author of Against the Odds: Free Blacks in the Slave Societies of the Americas and African American Heritage of Florida. Peter H. Wood, a professor of history at Duke University, is the author of Black Majority: Negroes in Colonial South Carolina from 1670 through the Stono Rebellion. Zarahan,your post is welcomed..I've known about the Spanish angle for a few..so I came to the topic very aware of that..but the James Town narrative is what most know including myself until a few years back...but i felt it not necessary to make that a counter debate..for like I said Hanna Jones stated it was about the British Colony & enslavement of 1619 for that is really our experience for the majority here in the states But to expand & make known the Spanish narrative is just as important to get a more " holistic" understanding of the complexity of the building of this nation..for I did not want to throw" The Baby out with the bath water" so to speak...you expanding on the topic is much more informative than just protesting the date 1619...! |
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Post by zarahan on Sept 19, 2019 20:31:35 GMT -5
YEs and while the Spanish angle comes first as far as the settlements,
both angles can certainly be explored.
More info:
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Post by nebsen on Sept 19, 2019 20:38:09 GMT -5
YEs and while the Spanish angle comes first as far as the settlements, both angles can certainly be explored. More info: You are correct about the Spanish being 1st.. but the long lasting effects of slavery has been the British in this country that's why most of us speak English & not Spanish...! |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Sept 20, 2019 17:01:01 GMT -5
Tek it e z man. That not personal it wazza post to all. Surely some like a African centered view point about us alongside the aspect of Anglo enslavers. We, as foreign Africans, were enslaved by at least 3 Euro and 5 Turtle Island nations in what's now the USA landmass. The federal government 's 1619 law signed by Trump should not overlook the whole view while it commemorates Virginia. A slight nodding is all they need do. We have to do the rest. Many are now thankful to know the USA guv touts Jamestown 1619 legislation as birth of its democracy. And true to form European style democracies are by nature slave based. So, while Anglos focus on their 1619 Jamestown, Afros are looking at their own experience which is not Anglo unless one is exclusively Black Anglo-Saxon. Of course the African Experiences on "these shores" arent all about being turned into objects. We have to keep people like Estebanico in mind and research to find more examples like his. The experiences with the Skins also need a good peek. Especially the Outlier Communities (USA sorta equivalent of Maroons and Palmares). But all that's for other threads. this is 2019 we have a whole new generation of Black folks & others who need to learn about the matter; regardless of what date one settles upon.. & who might bring some new insights & ways of being around this for the 21 century.. |
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Post by zarahan on Sept 21, 2019 0:21:28 GMT -5
I would have to agree. The Spanish side should receive a lot more attention than it does now, if only for free Fort Moses, the Pensacola free settlement called Prospect BLuff "Negro Fort" destroyed by Andrew Jackson, the more flexible Spanish regime, and the fighting rebels and escapees from Florida to the Bahamas, and the Black Seminoles of Florida especially. Too often the "Kunta Kinte" cotton format, or the Virgina tobacco or Louisiana whip lash sugar plantation models is all people seem to know about. There was diversity within these formats to be sure but too often they are used to present a stereotypical picture. Cue- happy darkies singing of Old Vrginny. I am told some of the plantation museums have black extras dressed in slave costume for today's visitors to get some "authenticity." Fair enough, but what about the other side of Estanvancio, the Maroons, the Black Seminoles, the free blacks, the soldiers etc, etc?  The Prospect BLuff Negro FOrt had so much possibilities for black freedom and agency. I only ran across the history in the mid 2000s. They had it going on- independence, armed self-defence, solid agricultural production, an economy that was fulfilling their needs, and in time could have generated surpluses for trading. You can see why the racist regimes had to shut it down, so they send army troops, navy gunboats and indio mercenaries to wipe it out. Prospect Bluff was not a Spanish project but it was part of that diverse British-Spanish-African-Indian interchange and exchange in Florida, again, different from the stereotypical cane and cotton chopping further north.  Negro Fort From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Prospect Bluff was a settlement that included a trading post that Andrew Jackson and other Americans labeled Negro Fort, built by the British in 1814, during the War of 1812, on the Apalachicola River, in a remote part of Spanish Florida. It is part of the Prospect Bluff Historic Sites, in the Apalachicola National Forest, Franklin County, Florida. The fort was called Negro Fort only after the British left in 1815; its later residents were primarily blacks (free Negroes or fugitive slaves), together with some Choctaws. There were a significant number of maroons already in the area before the fort was built[citation needed] and beginning in 1804 there was for several years a store (trading post). The blacks, having worked on plantations, knew how to plant and care for crops, and also to care for domesticated animals, mostly cattle. When withdrawing in 1815, the local British commander, Edward Nicolls, deliberately left the fully armed fort in the hands of the blacks and paid off the Colonial Marines and their Creek allies, most of whom resided there and took part in the defense of the fort. As Nicolls hoped, the fort became a center of resistance near the Southern border of the United States. The site was militarily significant, although without artillery training, the blacks, tribal warriors, and ex-Marines were ultimately unable to defend themselves. It is the largest and most famous instance before the American Civil War in which armed former or fugitive slaves fought whites who sought to return them to slavery (a much smaller predecessor was Fort Mose, near St. Augustine). The fort was destroyed in 1816 at the command of General Andrew Jackson. The attackers used heated shot against the powder magazine and ignited it, blowing up the fort and killing over 270 people immediately. However, the area continued to attract escaped slaves until the construction of Fort Gadsden in 1818.  I wonder if the African American museum in Washington gives much attention to the above. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Sept 21, 2019 20:28:59 GMT -5
Excellent research opening doors Just want to reiterate coming from all angles thru African eyes.
On currently USA landmass Africans saw numerous enslavers before and after 1776. French Spanish English "Dutch"Sephardim Cherokee Creek Chickasaw Choctaw Seminole. The latter freely nationalized Africans as Members of the Tribe from the start until very recently. In Oklahoma(?) there were a few Creek(?) African chiefs. Some got paid big time for oil. Western Sephardim quit nationalizing Africans after Suriname's Joden Svana fell. In Charleston the esnoga barred "people of color" as Srnan's African Sephardim called themselves w/o regard to mixture. New Orleans membership open only to "white Israelites" likewise per synagogue constitution.
Like multidisciplinary methodology we got multitude of national angles to peep. Probably some more I don't know about.
Where Anansi? He good at corralling indispensable minutiae like this.
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Post by zarahan on Sept 26, 2019 16:38:30 GMT -5
Good info. Maybe Anansi will pop in now and again. Say more about these Joden savane folk.
Havent heard much about them. I know some Indian tribes had slaves, but don't know much detail
save among the Seminoles, among whom they had diverse status- more like a allied
tribe or black tributaries to the main Seminole clan leaders or chiefs in an area, who owed labor
and other taxes, but otherwise were free to live in their own settlements, cultivating
their own homesteads and harvesting game, fish and other resources from land allocated,
and under their own black leaders. Don't know much about how it was with the Choctaw,
Chicksaw, and other CIvilized tribes.
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Post by nebsen on Sept 29, 2019 1:18:05 GMT -5
Jari said: he 400 yrs thing is def. from the influence of the Bible, I still will use it from subconcious memory of church sermons. They don't so much reference the Bible as the landing of the 20 blacks in VIrginia in 1619 which gives a neat 400 year number- leading into 2019. Some folk have tried various numerology calculations claiming that blacks are the tribe of Israel, so 360 years of slavery and Jim Crow plus 40 wilderness years since civil rights yielding a neat 400- etc etc.. but the calculation seems a stretch. Thats the thing I have against 1619 though, in that the first African enslaved goes back before that. Also if they want to start with Slavery, why not start with the first Black, Christianized Moor, Estanvancio who accampanied the Spanish to North America or the Free born Black Conquistadors who fought with Portuguese and Spanish Invaders. Which is why some say the Spanish should be in the hook for some reparations. I love how the video claims that the history beggining in 1619 threatens "Whiteness", when in fact some of the first Africans to step foot in the New World did so as party to Conquistadors. Kinda puts the whole Whites=Conquerors idea on its head. That and the history of Bacon's Rebellion and Buffalo Soldiers etc. will challenge both Black and White Supremacy IMO. True enough, these contradictions make the case more difficult. The only way for any segment of the American population besides Blacks to support reparations is to be educated on just how F-ked up the situation was for blacks. We were literally denied the basic nessecities despite generating the wealth of the American Economy. Our poverty was encoded in law and upheld by North and Southern Whites, Western, Mid West, New England etc. all participated and adopted Jim Crow Laws. There are clear examples of African Americans thriving when given access to Land and Law, same as Whites and others who are now doing better than us. There really is not excuse, but TBH the American public is a poorly educated one, esp. the rightwing, so I dont advocate for Reparations in that its never going to happen. Agreed in part. Many whites know but are in denial because it opens up a lot of embarrassing exposure. It is better many believe NOT to know, or to change the subject. And when you look at the case realistically, most whites are not really that interested in black problems, save as they are inconvenienced or forced to face them, as King, Shuttlesworth, and SNCC did in their confrontation and boycott campaigns. To this can be added the lawsuits of the legal side of the struggle via the NAACP which many found very irritating. BUt whether then or now, the blunt bottom line is that white people are are focused on themselves first not blacks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what WEB Dubois had to say in the 1930s. He qualifies the case- noting some are
neutral but fearfully go with the flow, and not all whites are enemies. Much of whath said
is still relevant:"The colored people of America are coming to face the fact quite calmly that most white Americans do not like them, and are planning neither for their survival, nor for their definite future if it involves free, self-assertive modern manhood. This does not mean all Americans. A saving few are worried about the Negro problem; a still larger group are not ill-disposed, but they fear prevailing public opinion. The great mass of Americans are, however, merely representatives of average humanity. They muddle along with their own affairs and scarcely can be expected to take seriously the affairs of strangers or people whom they partly fear and partly despise.
For many years it was the theory of most Negro leaders that this attitude was the insensibility of ignorance and inexperience, that white America did not know of or realize the continuing plight of the Negro. Accordingly, for the last two decades, we have striven by book and periodical, by speech and appeal, by various dramatic methods of agitation, to put the essential facts before the American people. Today there can be no doubt that Americans know the facts; and yet they remain for the most part indifferent and unmoved."--WEB Dubois (1934) W.E.B. Du Bois, “A Negro Nation Within a Nation” To retread here a little.. I said that the bible had nothing to do with for me the 400 years. I have long been interested in cycles have studied with a well known Black metaphyscian Dr.Ligon & his wife in L.A. which I have posted about before..now this video is about the Mayan calendar..remember 2012 & all the talk..but some good information if somewhat provocative...!! |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Sept 29, 2019 12:55:21 GMT -5
Some points posted previously are @ theblackunicornproject.com/index.php/2018/09/27/after-400-years-of-american-oppression-get-ready-for-the-year-of-return/Personal antipathy to so-called Abrahamic faiths cannot cover over the fact that 400 yrs is in fact a trope of syncretic Anglo-Afram religions which was borrowed from the Hebrew book B*reshiyth as during slavery days when many identified with "the Hebrew chilluns" and attested by Jari's church experience for one. No need to be biggotted about it. Jari isn't a liar. BTW the AE have 2 writings to counter the admittedly highly mythological Hebrew account. |
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