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Post by asante on Jan 11, 2020 18:47:23 GMT -5
Black resistance to white bullshit is deliberately hidden from the history books, and sadly tends to only be passed down orally among family or localized communities.
"Even though it's not technically the "Red Summer", one that thing that I would love to hear is the Tulsa Race Riot from the FBA/ADOS view point. I say that because in my research I notice that this shit is like porn to the recessives (the authors of the books I've read) when you let them tell it. Then there is a clear dispute in who actually won the real race riot.
Pay close attention to what the black man says around the 10:10 minute mark.
So apparently there were three battles.
The first battle - At the courthouse is where they were about the lynch Dick Rowland, and a brigade of black men (ex WWI soldiers) from North Tulsa came to help protect Dick from the lynch mob. One little short old Devil tried to talk shit, and degrade a black man by trying to seize his gun. When the gun went off in the struggle that little Devil died and the fight was on. In that scene despite being outnumbered there more whites that died than blacks. The second battle - the blacks who went to the courthouse retreated to Greenwood past the border marked by the railroad tracks, where the battle pretty much stayed the entire night. That right there is a victory that is not told. The white lynch mob from the courthouse who wanted the smoke were getting blown out of their shoes trying to get into Greenwood, and had to retreat.
The third battle - After news broke of the recessives getting their asses beat the punk ass mayor of the town met with the other Klansman/ Oklahoma national guard who set up a 10,000 man army to assemble at border of the town. They cut off the roads, and attacked at around either 4 or 6 am when a train whistle blew. Now even with that army and the blacks themselves only being around 10,000 in population those Devils did not move an inch until the bitches started bombing from the air (which was a new war technique from the recent war, and had never been done to US citizens). Once that new war technique was implemented, the Devils went block by block terrorizing, looting and rounding up our people.
The ones who really fought back were burned alive at the expo center in Tulsa. They made all of the blacks live in tents for over a year."
On the Tulsa Race Riots, the story of Peg Leg Taylor who caught so many white bodies...that he had to load them in wagons and dump them in the river to avoid the post riot blow back on the POW's.
"Arriving at the courthouse, this group of armed blacks, numbering about seventy-five, was greeted by a white mob numbering in the thousands. The level of tension and hysteria was rapidly rising. Representatives of the black group were allowed to enter the fortified courthouse where Sheriff McCollough assured them no lynching would take place. Apparently assured by the Sheriff’s defensive preparations they left the building and were preparing to go back to Greenwood when the spark was lit.
According to the version heard by Robert Fairchild, the white approached a tall black veteran who was carrying an Army issue .45-caliber and said
, what are you doing with that pistol?”
“I’m going to use it if I need to,” came the reply. “No, you will give it to me.”
The white man attempted to disarm the veteran and a shot was fired. Sheriff McCullough stated from that moment “the race war was on and I was powerless to stop it.” (7)
A prolonged gun fight broke out as the blacks withdrew toward Greenwood and Archer. Block by block the fighting continued into the wee hours of the morning. At one point the battle raged around the train station, which was held as a fortress by black defenders for an extended period of time. With the bodies of white attackers scattered through the streets, the blacks retreated into Greenwood. This overnight fighting is usually ignored or skimmed over in the stories of the Tulsa “riot.” Far from being helpless victims, Tulsa’s black population fought with brutal efficiency against the white invaders. It is not hard to imagine this defense was pre-planned, or at least theorized before the shots began firing. Regarding the “helpless victim,” mythology,
W.D. Williams has disputed this assumption, citing as evidence the large number of whites which he saw get shot by black snipers as they attempted to invade “Deep Greenwood.” The Oklahoma City ‘Black Dispatch’ of 10 June, 1921, reported it had received a letter from “a prominent Negro in the city of Tulsa” who stated that “from what he could learn on the ground, about one-hundred were killed, equally divided between the two races.” (8)
Scattered fighting occurred throughout the night as thousands of white men gathered at several points in the city. They exchanged and distributed ammunition among themselves and the word was passed on: they would attack at dawn. Some were too excited to wait and five men in an automobile tried spur the crowd to action in early morning darkness.
When the crowd did not budge the men tore off alone toward Deep Greenwood. A few hours later, when the attack finally came, their five bodies were found slumped inside their car, rifles still pointed out the windows, the bullet-riddled carcass of the Franklin smoking in the middle of Archer street. (9)
A large number of casualities among the white invaders is very much in line with what the ABB Tulsa post Commander wrote in “The Crusader”: the majority of black deaths were noncombatants, people who burned to death in their houses or the unarmed who were shot by the white mob. On the “front,” however (which is approximated by the train tracks at Greenwood and Archer), it was another dynamic entirely. The Commander wrote:
The defense of Greenwood may be overlooked in the history books, but it has entered black folklore. The story is told how “Peg-Leg” Taylor, another veteran of World War I, had spent the afternoon shoplifting ammunition from downtown hardware stores. Armed with a .30-30 rifle and a shotgun he had assumed tactical positions throughout the night -fighting, keeping the white combatants at bay while stores were looted for arms and ammunition by his comrades. As dawn broke and a whistle sounded, a mass of white attackers charged across the tracks into Greenwood. While the ABB snipers shot it out with the white mob around the church, Taylor held a defensive position on a hill, six blocks from First Street on the north side. “He shot round after round of bullets for six hours. He did so much damage that the whites figured the Negroes had reinforcements.” The story of Taylor is still well-known in north Tulsa, and completely forgotten in the rest of the city."
HARD CRACKERS- The African Blood Brotherhood and The Short-Lived Civil War in TulsaMore on Pegleg Taylor www.angelfire.com/ab7/tulsa/intro.html |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 12, 2020 20:22:33 GMT -5
I hope one day ADOS will produce calendars and mark a date to memorialize this historic catastrophe.
Maybe Tulsa blacks will put up a statue to commerate Peg-leg Taylors' skill, defiance, heroism, and bravery.
Never forget.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 13, 2020 4:07:56 GMT -5
one that thing that I would love to hear is the Tulsa Race Riot from the FBA/ADOS view point.What are your thoughts on it re Tulsa? Open up the topic more. Have the Tulsa folk got reparations? WHen? How? And some argue that there is a difference between FBA and ADOS. Does this make a difference (if any) as far as Tulsa? honestmediablog.com/2019/11/12/whats-the-difference-between-fba-and-ados/There will be a Foundational Black American Convention in Atlanta next year, organized by Tariq Rasheed and the Melanoid Nation Foundation. It will be a non-partisan, educational event featuring Black American professionals and a think tank forum. They’ll be brainstorming solutions for an FBA agenda, and the topics of discussion are as follows:
Strategies on getting reparations
Strategies on Black business development
Creating directories to connect with Black businesses
Organizing retainer pools for Black lawyers
Networking with independent Black-owned schools
Creating discussion panels with Black health professionals
Both Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore have reiterated that the ADOS movement is a political movement centered around lineage, reparations, and a Black Agenda for African Americans. ^^OK, so FBA says they are non political. ADOS says they are political. Prospects for working together? DO they need to work together? Thoughts?  Pay close attention to what the black man says around the 10:10 minute mark. In the sense that the black folk kept fighting and some still survived to rebuild another day, it could be called a victory. I agree with the man. In the big picture whites of course walked away with most of the gains, even insurance money for rebuilding. But the fact that they fought is a point of pride. Its like the escaped maroons during slavery. You could wipe out 20, 50, 200, and destroy their villages. But others would follow, who in time, would put up another 20-50-200. defying attempts to wipe them out. In Brazil, Jamaica, Suriname, Panama and other places, they fought off slaver expedition after expedition- some gains- some losses, but in the fight still. Eventually the numbers and circumstances (such as a divided French) clicked into place and we had the Haitian Revolution, and the unconquered independent Maroon settlements. Black resistance to white bullshit is deliberately hidden from the history books, and
sadly tends to only be passed down orally among family or localized communities. General history books will not tell the "inner" tale. The black community has to get the documentation down, orally and in writing. Another reason education needs to be taken seriously over the shallow media culture that seems to dominate in so many places, particularly among youth.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 13, 2020 4:47:38 GMT -5
I hope one day ADOS will produce calendars and mark a date to memorialize this historic catastrophe. Maybe Tulsa blacks will put up a statue to commerate Peg-leg Taylors' skill, defiance, heroism, and bravery. Never forget. Says the article: He did so much damage that the whites figured the Negroes had reinforcements.” The story of Taylor is still well-known in north Tulsa, and completely forgotten in the rest of the city.Sure it will be forgotten outside. Today's white people dont want to be reminded of the unpleasantness. But what is the black community doing to remember Pegleg? Where are the monuments, or markers? WHat about Black History Month commemorations? OP should open up such things. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 13, 2020 10:42:37 GMT -5
Don't twist it.
I ain't talking no yte handouts or pats on the head.
The negro waits for and expects ytes to do everything for them, no agency.
The conscious Black will do for self.
Tulsa blacks welding Self-Determination are the people to do what I wrote.
Nowhere do I even imply yte involvement.
If one doesn't come from one of the nation within a nation backgrounds (NOI, Kawaida, etc) one will never get the points I make.
The more descendants of enslaved Americans expect the folks that oppress and suppress them to fix ADOS up, the less ADOS will prosper.
ADOS ^= #ADOS
One can be a Descendant of American Slavery and have nothing to do with Carnel&Moores #ADOS movement.
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Post by asante on Jan 14, 2020 9:46:45 GMT -5
one that thing that I would love to hear is the Tulsa Race Riot from the FBA/ADOS view point. What are your thoughts on it re Tulsa? Open up the topic more. Have the Tulsa folk got reparations? The founders of Black Wallstreet while being "FBA"'s initially got the land through the identification as "Native Americans", and that is how they were given the land in the first place from what info has been gathered. When it comes to reparations the city of Tulsa, and the state of Oklahoma did quite on number on the initial recovery efforts following the savage attack. This did not stop North Tulsa from resurrecting itself from the ashes, and most say that it became bigger and better. What actually killed Black Wall street was the integration movements in the 60's. When Dr. Claude Anderson was on the breakfast club 3 weeks ago, Charlemagne said something interesting. He said that the only prosperous black community that we hear about, is the one in north Tulsa. Dr. Claude Anderson continued by saying that every city had a thriving black business district, which lead me to do my own research on Louisville. That lead me to this video, which is narrated by an elder remembering the layout of the historic "little Africa" district of the West End in Louisville.
On top of the decline during reconstruction, whites drove what is now the "Shawnee expressway" through much of black Africa...The historic marker for Little Africa is literally right off of the exit onto Virigina Ave  The ADOS vs FBA thing is a faction split. The originators of the term "ADOS" and Foundational Black Americans (FBA) are beefing due to contention over the use of the term ADOS. The initial thought that I and many had on "ADOS" was that it was strictly a term to define our unique ethnicity as descendants of American slaves, which distinguishes us from West Indian and African immigrants. Antonio Moore and Yvette Cornell (the creators of the term) use the term ambiguously to refer to both an ethnic group, AND an organization with chapters and leaders. One of the founders of ADOS (Antonio Moore) had an issue with Tariq Nasheed who had been using the FBA term due to the latter's strict adherence to the term as an ethnic group in a New York times article, and called him out on a video one Saturday night. From that point forward an internet beef had started between the two factions, which includes other youtube figures who are referred to as "the new black media" (as opposed to old black media folks like Roland Martins) who just about all side with Tariq Nasheed such as Jason Black, The Black Authority, Boyce Watkins, Dr. Claude Anderson etc etc. There have been accusations on ADOS as being a shill for the Democratic party, and even as a front for an LGBT organization (since Yvette Cornell is a Lesbian) much like "black lives matter". This is one of the most important things that we can do as an ethnic group. It's time that we collectively rebuild these commerce centers for our people in our respective cities. I think that the core proponents of black social economic indepence/black nationalism are probably only around 2 million in population (out of the 40 million), and something like this will be a monumental event. Every city needs organizations for black professionals, or they will be sucked into the white liberal pet agenda. For example here in Louisville there are NO organizations for black accountants. This is something that I intend to change very soon, and the conference will bring light to such issues among those that you have listed. The issue with that is about a year ago when the notion of ADOS was really starting to pick up steam largely due to the endorsement of the popular Tariq Nasheed, Yvette Cornell let her pettiness and ego get in the way. When PHD Boyce Watkins came out in full support for the ADOS notion, Yvette Cornell came out and said that Boyce could not be apart of ADOS. That raised some alarm on my part. How can a person kick someone out of an ethnic group, simply because they don't like them? A Han Chinese for example cannot be kicked out of his/her ethnic group. That recreated the beef between Cornell and Watkins, and it was unnecessary not to mention confusing. It was simply not a good look for Yvette Cornell to do that, and reflected poorly on the values of the organization. Our people have to let go of these personal vendettas, especially those that obstruct the completion of collective goals. What is the true agenda of ADOS founders? Tariq has recently pointed out that some white guy is seen behind the scenes in many of the groups activities. When Moore made that video on a Saturday night about two months ago it made me cringe, because of how unnecessary it was. A personal conversation with Tariq for clarity would have resolved this rather simple issue. Instead he publicly chastised a strong ally who is well known for taking it there with these internet beefs, and now they're being ridiculed to oblivion. What was he expecting when he did that, and why was it necessary? Was Tariq's upcoming FBA conference, which has the great intentions that you've listed a threat to the reparations movement that they had latched onto? The lack of logic in the initial attack on the part of the ADOS organization screams hidden agenda to me. Yeah, the point that I wanted to magnify is the complete lack of context in the mainstream narrative of the story. For most of the century that has passed since the attack whites in Tulsa actually denied that airplanes were used. There is even a documentary where some Devil from Tulsa is saying something like "oh there were rumors that planes were used but those are unsubstantiated". What are they trying hide by denying that known fact? It only makes sense that they are trying to hide the fact that the white civilians got there asses beat during the initial battles in the short race war. Those Devils thought that they were big and bad, and were just gonna run up into Tulsa and "teach us a lesson", but they got f***ed up all night long in their failed attempts to do so. As a result of the big bad white citizens getting f***ed up all night long, they had to get city and state officials including the police and Oklahoma national guard involved in their battles. In the books that I've read written by white authors, so much didn't make sense by them not putting context to the facts that there were numerous battles. They tried to consolidate the entire event to include the ultimate destruction of North Tulsa, because they never wanted to acknowledge that the blacks collectively won 2 of the three battles. The books focused on the atrocities committed by cowardly whites on lone or small groups of black OUTSIDE of North Tulsa. That included cowardly acts like those Devils mutilating a black cripple who was a regular begger in downtown Tulsa. They always talk about "a white mob of 10,000 ran loose in Tulsa", when even in the books that I've read on the event that white mob that came in at 5 am was not able to move an inch due to the organized black resistance. Why would they need airplanes and the national guard THE NEXT MORNING if the white ground combatants were effective? Like the man in the video said the blacks won the initial battles against the failed lynch mob that tried to run across the rail road tracks, and so they called a military force to use new war techniques on that black civilian population. It was a cowardly act to call for help from officials on the part of the big bad white civilians who were gonna "put the N*ggers in their place". They don't want that part of the story known, because it's encouraging to other blacks who are going through their own respective struggles against these Devils, with the constant threat of a race war against us. The blacks of Columbia Tennessee had a similar incident in the 1940's. They were under attack, and turned up against the white attackers against the business district. Sniping them from roof tops until again the National guard came in, and arrested the black defenders. This is when Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall made his name as a lawyer defending those black defenders. Agreed! |
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Post by zarahan on Jan 14, 2020 17:03:03 GMT -5
When Dr. Claude Anderson was on the breakfast club 3 weeks ago, Charlemagne said something interesting. He said that the only prosperous black community that we hear about, is the one in north Tulsa. Dr. Claude Anderson continued by saying that every city had a thriving black business district, which lead me to do my own research on Louisville.OK, but I am confused on Anderson point- because there were many thriving black business districts we do hear about like CHicago's Bronzeville (sic) and so on. Do you have any info on the developments in Lousiville? WHo were the "playas" back in the Louisville day? Did the tentacles of the famous Madame CJ Walker extend into the city? On top of the decline during reconstruction, whites drove what is now the "Shawnee expressway" through much of black Africa...The historic marker for Little Africa is literally right off of the exit onto Virginia Ave Indeed. Well this is one thing that hurt black business districts- the use of "urban renewal" aka "negro removal" projects to ram roadways thru black neighborhoods while avoiding similar destruction to the white hoods. Its well documented, like the twists and turns around the city of Birmingham. In some places it was a deliberate white tactic, not only to remove blacks so whites could get prime central city line for lucrative big housing or commercial projects but also to have the roads serve as a "black barriers" to "wall off" black areas, cutting them off from greater access to jobs. And they started in the 1950s before the major civil rights laws came online but they never really stopped until years after and not at all until fairly recently. www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RGRJ8840HCKVO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00C03PNHU Has black Louisville seen similar "bulldoze the blacks" tactics aside from the expressway you mention? The ADOS vs FBA thing is a faction split. The originators of the term "ADOS" and Foundational Black Americans (FBA) are beefing due to contention over the use of the term ADOS. The initial thought that I and many had on "ADOS" was that it was strictly a term to define our unique ethnicity as descendants of American slaves, which distinguishes us from West Indian and African immigrants. Antonio Moore and Yvette Cornell (the creators of the term) use the term ambiguously to refer to both an ethnic group, AND an organization with chapters and leaders. One of the founders of ADOS (Antonio Moore) had an issue with Tariq Nasheed who had been using the FBA term due to the latter's strict adherence to the term as an ethnic group in a New York times article, and called him out on a video one Saturday night. From that point forward an internet beef had started between the two factions, which includes other youtube figures who are referred to as "the new black media" (as opposed to old black media folks like Roland Martins) who just about all side with Tariq Nasheed such as Jason Black, The Black Authority, Boyce Watkins, Dr. Claude Anderson etc etc. Hmm never knew this. I thought ADOS wanted a strict African American only application- no Africans or Caribbean blacks. But you say its FBA wanting the strict application? Their web spiel makes it sound like they are more flexible than ADOS. There have been accusations on ADOS as being a shill for the Democratic party, and even as a front for an LGBT organization (since Yvette Cornell is a Lesbian) much like "black lives matter". Don't know Carnell so can't comment on her personally-to each his/her own, and if some folk want that angle they are free to push it like every other interest or political group., but what would be their agenda though? Keep locking blacks into Dems, and/or pushing the gay thing on the black side of town? SOme argue that "Black Panther" movie has a similar hidden "push" agenda, and that indeed in the print comic there are a few lesbian storylines among the female bodyguards. Some critics of the movie also blasted DIsney for cutting a lesbian scene as well. Could this be part of the agenda? What is the true agenda of ADOS founders? Tariq has recently pointed out that some white guy is seen behind the scenes in many of the groups activities. When Moore made that video on a Saturday night about two months ago it made me cringe, because of how unnecessary it was. A personal conversation with Tariq for clarity would have resolved this rather simple issue. Instead he publicly chastised a strong ally who is well known for taking it there with these internet beefs, and now they're being ridiculed to oblivion. What was he expecting when he did that, and why was it necessary? Was Tariq's upcoming FBA conference, which has the great intentions that you've listed a threat to the reparations movement that they had latched onto? The lack of logic in the initial attack on the part of the ADOS organization screams hidden agenda to me. Which approach do you think is bound to be more successful? FBA or ADOS? or neither? . What are they trying hide by denying that known fact? It only makes sense that they are trying to hide the fact that the white civilians got there asses beat during the initial battles in the short race war. Those Devils thought that they were big and bad, and were just gonna run up into Tulsa and "teach us a lesson", but they got f***ed up all night long in their failed attempts to do so. As a result of the big bad white citizens getting f***ed up all night long, they had to get city and state officials including the police and Oklahoma national guard involved in their battles. Well that has the ring of truth. If the white mob was being defeated or at least fought to a draw, whites would call in state authority, including the plane to try to destroy black resistance. This was always a big problem facing black self-defense in the south. Seems at times the blacks could more than hold their own against the Klan and other terrorists. But these terrorists worked at times hand in glove with local and state regimes which could bring in heavy firepower backed with deep pockets state funding- with neither available to blacks. Thus blacks had to fight a double enemy- 1) freelance white terrorists like the Klan and 2) racist state and local regimes. They always talk about "a white mob of 10,000 ran loose in Tulsa", when even in the books that I've read on the event that white mob that came in at 5 am was not able to move an inch due to the organized black resistance. Why would they need airplanes and the national guard THE NEXT MORNING if the white ground combatants were effective? Like the man in the video said the blacks won the initial battles against the failed lynch mob that tried to run across the rail road tracks, and so they called a military force to use new war techniques on that black civilian population. This sounds similar to indigenous struggles in Southern Africa, where people like the Zulu were holding their own against the white Boer settlers, even though the settlers had most of the firepower. But it took regular British imperial troops with top-of-the-line gatling guns, rockets, artillery, and advanced repeating rifles to crush the native resistance.
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Post by asante on Jan 16, 2020 10:35:39 GMT -5
When Dr. Claude Anderson was on the breakfast club 3 weeks ago, Charlemagne said something interesting. He said that the only prosperous black community that we hear about, is the one in north Tulsa. Dr. Claude Anderson continued by saying that every city had a thriving black business district, which lead me to do my own research on Louisville.OK, but I am confused on Anderson point- because there were many thriving black business districts we do hear about like CHicago's Bronzeville (sic) and so on. What's confusing? I think that Charlemagne mentioned Bronzeville in the Breakfast club interview in that same instance referencing the lack of black historical knowledge outside of Tulsa.  I could get good info still on the 1950's on up, but no I don't have too much outside of my family information on the black wall-street era business district, besides that great video that I stumbled upon in the black Louisville Facebook group. My grandfather on my mom's side is a family historian, but he's out in Cali right now. My late aunt Sherli was the first black (and I believe female period) post master here in Louisville. My great great grandfather "Big Daddy" was one of the first if not the first black police man here, and great great great uncle I believe the first black surgeon general here. My granddad's side was here from the early part of the 20th century, and perhaps the late 1800's. That was/is the "gangster-side" of the family. My granddad said that they owned a popular juke joint back in the day, and everybody respected my great great grandmother known as "Big Momma". I heard that that reputation traveled through the generations, which is clearly visible in many of the 60 and up family members. My mom's mother in her own way verified that they were gangsters, pimps and "playas". Louisville is and was known as a "gangster" city located between many other major cities in the South and mIdwest. It is was it is lol. Yep! The blacks in Lousville were shuffled into various parts of the Central, East and Westend areas throughout most of the 20th century. Louisville was regarded as one of if not the most liberal city in the South towards blacks, which is seen in the fact that the oldest black library in the country is located in the West End of Louisville (the singer Prince saved it from being closed). In a part of the West end that is now almost exclusively black known as the Shawnee area with big houses, was back in the 60's and 70's still a "white area", which was adjacent to the black area south of Broadway around Chickasaw park on into Southwick (Little Africa). We were not allowed in Shawnee park right up the street back in those days. That's unthinkable these days, considering how we now dominate the area. I support the reparations movement, and Tone is great with the numbers/"the data", but they in many people's opinion are being deliberately ambiguous in their terminology. Is it simply a collective name for our African American lineage or is it an official organization? The only reason IMO that they gained traction on this was because they presented it as the former, but then Yvette Cornell treats it like a club or organization that you need their permission to use or consider yourself apart of. If can't be both ways, and that being exposed has lost them a considerable number of subscribers from their youtube platforms. Jason Black pointed out yesterday how one FBA decided to created an APP called "ADOS" for our own communication, and Yvette Cornell chastised that person because she apparently needed permission from her to do so. It's become a mess that many former avid supporters have been distancing themselves from in the last two months. There have been accusations on ADOS as being a shill for the Democratic party, and even as a front for an LGBT organization (since Yvette Cornell is a Lesbian) much like "black lives matter". That's a game though! They get the momentum initially by playing the black population in general, and then funneling that energy into an LGBT agenda for LGBT gains. Hell no! If you're black and gay that's fine, but be black first. No one gives a damn about your sexual orientation (or least they shouldn't). James Baldwin was clearly gay, but he supported the black struggle, and never prioritized his sexuality into the forefront of the collective struggle. To my knowledge he was never ostracized for his sexual orientation by the black collective. That is commendable in my book. As Jason Black/The Black Authority states "Black first"/B1! Black gays are even targeted within the LGBT community, so that's a dumb alliance. The dangers of the LBGT front is shown front and center with the black lesbian Chicago mayor. She is prioritizing gay struggles over the known horrific redlining/poverty issues of the cities black and brown south and west side. The blacks in these LGBT organizations are so scorned by the rejection by some blacks that they become the enemies of our people. By being black and de-prioritization the centuries old black struggle over LGBT recognition (not even rights at this point anymore) in society they are clearly shown favor by white liberals with power. Billy Porter wearing flamboyant dresses to these Hollywood events with his white husband (wearing a suit) is a text book example. Porter despite not having any real "great" acting roles wins all of these awards, because he is a white liberal's pet. The same LGBT "community" who champions black men being extremely effeminate don't say a thing about Ed Buck and the multiple dead black men found in his home. That being said, it's cool to do what you do sexually, but keep it BLACK FIRST! I have a theory as to why whites are pushing this so heavy NOW, after the same whites essentially brought the notion of persecuting LGBT individuals into native lands all across the globe (especially Africa) they are now trying to be the face of "let gays live their lives". That's a Devil's game that they are playing. I also think that it has something to do with the recent heavy promotion of toxic femininity in this society (Lonny Love, Angela Yee, Amanda Seels, Oprah/Gale etc etc). FBA without a doubt. We need to come together to form our own narrative, and steer our own direction. Do you see how these kids are dressing, and the music that they are calling good....I'm not even 30 yet, and when I was 24 I was done with this new wave of music. They are being scattered into white people lands within the last two decades, and don't have a clue about how black American culture works when we are all together. They are lames to put it bluntly. They are getting their clues on how to be cool from white impostors on the internet, because they don't go outside and when they do many are surrounded by white faces. They do things that would have got us rode out into oblivion when we were in grade school, but because they don't have the black social pressure around them they do whatever. I think that any ethnic group like Ashanti, Wolof etc would be alarmed if this was happening to their youths. We should not blindly accept it as "times is changing" when we all see the white hand stirring the pot!Yep! That is the entire reason why blacks down in the traditional south NEVER turned up when time was needed. They are shook beyond belief of whites. I really saw this as truth, back when the Obama conspiracy theories were prevalent among the whites last decade. There was a map of a conspiracy theory of "place you don't want to be when it hits the fan" that really epitomized just how shook blacks down south still are shook; Look at the map at the 2 minute mark
 Despite the black population being most concentrated in the rural south, they would never turn up. The shield their fear with religion, particularly Christianity. The fear of the state militia going Iraq on them still has them yes sirring and what not. My granddaddy was a property manager in East Atlanta back in the early 90's, and told me a story about how he got into it with the property owner who was a white man. He said that the other blacks who knew the man from living down there ducked their heads like cowards, when my granddaddy (from Louisville where we are known to turn up) was talking dirt bad to that Devil. He said one black whispered with his head ducked "Oh you's shouldn't talks to him likes that"....IN THE F*CKIN 90'S IN DEKALB COUNTY!!! It's a real fear in the deep south among the blacks despite being numerically sound. They know that those good ole boys with those p*ssy azz militias coupled with state officials are ready at any moment, and rather than getting ready themselves they for the most part (there are some down there who are about the smoke I will say) comply like wh*res.
In Tulsa however yeah, the story of how blacks said Hell naw to the bullshat, and fought back successfully is never told. It's something that we have to keep alive, or the Devils will continue to tell their bullshat narratives of that event and others. |
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Post by zarahan on Jan 16, 2020 18:05:48 GMT -5
In a part of the West end that is now almost exclusively black known as the Shawnee area with big houses, was back in the 60's and 70's still a "white area", which was adjacent to the black area south of Broadway around Chickasaw park on into Southwick (Little Africa). We were not allowed in Shawnee park right up the street back in those days. That's unthinkable these days, considering how we now dominate the area. Yes, seems the black folk ran into the "urban renewal" -code reveal-- "negro removal" or "negro barrier" tactics. Per links below it was bad with spillover effects today:  www.leoweekly.com/2013/01/a-city-divided/A city divided- Louisville’s urban landscape rooted in segregation
Jan 02 2013 by Joshua Poe
Eight decades later, the city’s dining scene continues to thrive while many of the same problems that long ago plagued Louisville’s urban landscape persist — namely, the physical barriers that isolate west Louisville, dividing this city by race and class.
The latest edition of Food and Dining Magazine highlights the revitalization of East Market Street as a trendy restaurant destination dubbed NuLu. In that article, Mayor Greg Fischer says, “NuLu stands as a testament to what communities can accomplish when great entrepreneurs have space and opportunity to work together.”
Not surprisingly, west Louisville hasn’t had that same experience. The map index in Food and Dining Magazine says it all — there isn’t even a section dedicated to west Louisville. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Based on what you say the below may be neoliberal "spin".. that Lousiville is taking a "different" tack.. Will the "new" redevelopment be that beneficial to the mblack masses or are the main beneficiaries white corporations, burreaucrats and affluent white yuppies? Quote "But officials in Louisville, Kentucky, are taking a different approach. It’s a project leaders and community organizers are watching closely. The city has an ambitious $870 million plan to improve the historic Russell neighborhood — without gentifying it. The plan focuses on creating mixed-income housing.
In her latest edition of “Matter of Fact,” journalist Soledad O’Brien features an installment of her ongoing series, “America’s Cities: Russell Rising.”
In it, she takes a look at the housing project known as Beecher Terrace, which was built in 1939 adjacent to Louisville’s Downtown to accommodate Kentucky’s growing black population.
When the housing development was built, nearby streets were lined with restaurants and other businesses. Today, though, 60 percent of the people in Russell live in poverty.
The city is working to tear down the terrace, spending $187 million of public and private money to replace it with mixed-income housing and commercial property. The plan is to finish by 2023." ---------------------------------------- WEBSITE ON HOW lOUISVILLE WENT CRAZY WITH THE WRECKING BALL.. brokensidewalk.com/2016/urban-renewal/ANOTHER GENTRIFICATION PROJECT- they say they want to "reconnect" with the West End. There is even going to be a cool "Muhammed Ali COrridor" in the planned mix... www.wave3.com/story/23907188/urban-renewal-project-to-reconnect-west-louisville-to-downtown/Urban renewal project to reconnect west Louisville to downtown LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) - Members of Louisville Central Community Centers (LCCC) have a dream for a better west Louisville. Thursday morning, board members announced that dream was on its way to becoming a reality. During a press conference inside the Old Walnut Street Atrium, a $10 million revitalization effort by the LCCC, organization president & CEO Sam Watkins Jr. unveiled plans for a massive urban renewal project: the Boulevard West of Ninth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by anansi on Jan 16, 2020 18:26:54 GMT -5
Fascinating history being dropped, and I love Asante's family narrative, remained me of my own somewhat,especially now ancestored elders who were UNIA members whom ,I should have listen to more, but my Rasta uncles picked up much of the slack.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 16, 2020 19:11:30 GMT -5
Asante says:
She [mayor] is prioritizing gay struggles over the known horrific redlining/poverty issues of the cities black and brown south and west side...
But The blacks in these LGBT organizations are so scorned by the rejection by some blacks that they become the enemies of our people. By being black and de-prioritization the centuries old black struggle over LGBT recognition (not even rights at this point anymore) in society they are clearly shown favor by white liberals with power.
Hmm.. Some argue that black gays are victims of even more damaging white gay racism and hold that
the "Be Black First" angle must take priority, given strong anti-black discrimination. THus it
is claimed, black gays cannot even enjoy their personal lifestyle without being sandbagged by
white gays and are forced into segregated settings, making it imperative to focus on racism first
before pushing LGBTQT among blacks. If they haven't solved the racism problem why prioritize or push a
secondary issue when the more pressing one remains to be resolved? Others argue an opposite line that
has some points as well. But whatever the arguments, all sides agree there is anti-black gay discrimination:
Per scholar Han 2007, there is often outright discrimination against gay men of color in bars,
baths, nightclubs and other social meeting places (some of it violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964).
Then there is the matter of painful personal rejection dealt out to many gays of color on top of the
discrimination. Sometimes the bias is subtle. A gay black man for example might be asked for 3 or 4
forms of ID before being allowed to enter a predominantly white gay club, but if you are white, no
such extra "screening" is done. The subtle aim of course is to discourage the presence of black gays,
in white spaces. Says Han:
QUOTE:
Despite the civil rights dialogue used by the gay community, many 'gay' organizations and members of the 'gay' community continue to exclude men of color from leadership positions and 'gay' establishments, thus continuing to add to the notion that 'gay' equals 'white'. Likewise, gay men of color experience homophobia within their racial and ethnic communities. In this paper, I discuss both the subtle and the blatant forms of racial exclusion practised in the 'gay' community as well as the homophobia found in racial and ethnic communities to examine how such practices affect gay men of color, particularly their self-esteem and their emotional well-being."
"Even the most perfunctory glance through gay publications exposes the paucity of non-white gay images. It’s almost as if no gay men of color exist outside of fantasy cruises to Jamaica, Puerto Rico, or the ‘Orient’. And even then, they exist only to fulfill the sexual fantasies of gay white men. ‘Exotic’ vacations to far away places are marketed to rich white men and poor colored bodies are only another consumable product easily purchased with western dollars. As such, gay men of color, whether found within western borders or conveniently waiting for white arrival in the far off corners of the globe, are nothing more than commodities for consumption.
To do so, gay activists adapted various whitening practices to sell gay America to the heartland of America by: mirroring the whiteness of men who run powerful institutions as a strategy for winning credibility, acceptance, and integration; excluding people of color from gay institutions; selling gay as white to raise money, make a profit, and gain economic power; and daily wearing the pale protective coloring that camouflages the Social Identities 53 Downloaded by [Linnaeus University] at 00:53 10 October 2014 unquestioned assumptions and unearned privileges of gay whiteness. (Be´rube´, 2001, p. 246)
Gay businesses, too, mark these borders. Bars populated by non-white clients exist merely to support white male fantasies about gay men of color are marked with appropriately fetishized names such as the Voodoo Lounge in Seattle, Papicock in New York, and Red Dragon in Los Angeles. The Blatino Bronx Factory not only marks the club as raced but also quite blatantly specifies which races they are marking. Yet gay-identified organizations with mostly, and sometimes exclusively, white clientele*both businesses and NPOs*are never marked in this way. In fact, they vehemently oppose such characterizations, arguing instead that they serve all gay people. It is never the ‘Gay White Support/Social Organization’, but rather, ‘Gay Support/Social Organization’. In doing so, the implication is that they speak for all gay people, a claim they make while ignoring certain voices. Their concerns, those of largely gay white men, become the de facto concerns for gay men of color. As such, whiteness takes center stage and it becomes synonymous with gay where gay comes to mean white and white comes to mean gay.
"Sometimes racism in the gay community takes on more explicit forms. Like racism everywhere, these forms tend to operate with the goal of excluding, in this case, men of color from gay institutions. Perhaps the most notorious has been the events surrounding Badlands, a popular bar in the Castro district in San Francisco. In the summer of 2004, Badlands became the site of weekly picketing after a group of racially diverse Bay Area residents filed a complaint with the San Francisco Human Rights Commission, the San Francisco Entertainment Commission, the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing, and the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Department claming racial discrimination at the bar. Among the complaints were that not only was the owner practising job discrimination at the bar but also that non-white customers were being either turned away at the door or were being expunged from the bar. According to complainants, people of color were routinely denied employment and promotional opportunities and entrance into the establishment. Most obvious incidents were the fact that black men were required to provide two forms of I.D. at the door while white men were required to only show one... "
--Han 2007.
"Not surprisingly, allusions to invisibility are common in the writings and media productions created by gay men of color. For example, in Tongues untied, black film maker Marlon Riggs had this to say about San Francisco:
I pretended not to notice the absence of black images in this new gay life, in bookstores, poster shops, film festivals, even my own fantasies. Something in Oz was amiss, but I tried not to notice. I was intent on my search for my reflection, love, affirmation, in eyes of blue, gray, green. Searching, I discovered something I didn’t expect, something decades of determined assimilation cannot blind me to. In this great, gay Mecca, I was an invisible man. I had no shadow, no substance, no place, no history, no reflection. (Riggs, 1989)
Likewise, Joseph Beam (1986) in his work, In the Life wrote:
Visibility is survival . . . It is possible to read thoroughly two or three consecutive issues of the Advocate, the national biweekly gay news magazine, and never encounter, in the words or images, Black gay men . . . We ain’t family. Very clearly, gay male means: White, middle-class, youthful, nautilized, and probably butch, there is no room for Black gay men within the confines of this gay pentagon. (quoted in Manalansan, 1996, p. 402)
--FROM: Han, C.-S. (2007). They Don't Want To Cruise Your Type: Gay Men of Color and the Racial Politics of Exclusion. Social Identities: Journal for the Study of Race, Nation and Culture, 13(1), 51-67.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 16, 2020 19:25:42 GMT -5
Asante says: Look at the map at the 2 minute mark So they are trying to say that the "no go" areas will be heavily black when the apocalypse comes? Thus the white militias are prepping for the doomsday that will send "hordes of hungry blacks" roaming here and there? I have heard this scenaro many a time, but I would argue that the real danger is "hordes" or hungry whites, including the militias trying to come into the heavily urbanized areas because that is a lot of salvageable istes will be- food, gas, metals, vehicles and lots of other stuff. In a lot of the doomsday post apocalypse movies its those who have access to material, the scavengers, that make out the best. Those who say holed up in their all-white mountain hideouts will eventually run out of things. They have to "go to da hood" to survive? lol |
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Post by zarahan on Jan 16, 2020 19:55:31 GMT -5
Despite the black population being most concentrated in the rural south, they would never turn up. The shield their fear with religion, particularly Christianity. The fear of the state militia going Iraq on them still has them yes sirring and what not. My granddaddy was a property manager in East Atlanta back in the early 90's, and told me a story about how he got into it with the property owner who was a white man. He said that the other blacks who knew the man from living down there ducked their heads like cowards, when my granddaddy (from Louisville where we are known to turn up) was talking dirt bad to that Devil. He said one black whispered with his head ducked "Oh you's shouldn't talks to him likes that"....IN THE F*CKIN 90'S IN DEKALB COUNTY!!! It's a real fear in the deep south among the blacks despite being numerically sound. Every group has fear of those who control the jobs, court etc including whites in the south who had to play ball with segregationist bosses like Bull COnnor to survive. Not all white people were gung ho. Also keep in mind that it was the black churches and members that were the primary force in mobilizing people to overcome fear and that suffered the most, including murdered voters and the 4 little girls killed in the bombed Birmingham church. It was ministers like king, and Fred Shuttlesworth, and CK Steele that got bombed stabbed and beaten. It was common church foot-soldiers like Fannie Lou Hamer that got beaten and brutalized when she tried to register to vote. Other groups like SNCC would have went nowhere fast unless if hadn't received food, shelter, meeting places and hiding places from ordinary church folk. And they would have been useless unless the ordinary church people did not turn out to attempt to vote and often risk their jog and lives. Meanwhile militant Muslims and others up north talked up a good game, but seldom appeared down south to fight the struggle. CHRONOLOGY OF VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION IN MISSISSIPPI Note violence and intimidation against churches and church member's in the civil tights roundup below. Note that racist local regimes even cut off water to various churches as punishment for supporting voting registration efforts. WHile civil rights was a shared experience, overcoming fear was Job 1 with these churches. Note that it was not northern outsiders that bore the brunt of the battle but people like ordinary farmers Herbert Lee (murdered) and Hartman Turner (matched the Klan bullet for bullet over 4 hours as they attacked and burned his home). www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjM-vqzuInnAhVEWs0KHYfZBYMQFjACegQIBRAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.wisconsinhistory.org%2Fdigital%2Fapi%2Fcollection%2Fp15932coll2%2Fid%2F61827%2Fdownload&usg=AOvVaw06IjgUiXMHkFQat9ZeHAJL  Also remember that among many church congregants were some"spirit AND shotgun" armed groups that showed up with their guns to protect King and other congregants during the mobilization marches and campaigns. They were discouraged from OFFENSIVE rather than defensive action because blacks were heavily outnumbered and outgunned by the state power, state militia, state police, and even the FBI working to undermine the civil rights coalition. This was the correct tactical approach. Provoking macho shooting contests was a naive and suicidal notion, compared to disciplined tactical calculation. In the end, all the campaigning and prodding got the weight of the federal power to defeat the state power, which was what got the job done on the macro level. On the micro level that "spirit AND shotgun" armed groups, church-based and non, held their own against freelance Kluxers and such, when circumstances were right. Since the terrorists collaborated with or wre often indistinguishable from heavy fire-power state/local governments the tactics used in different situations had to vary according to the dangers etc. They ranged from standing armed guard around churches and homes, to fierce firepower delivered when terrorists invaded negro areas, to marches and lawsuits that could get a job done without breaking out firearms. They know that those good ole boys with those p*ssy azz militias coupled with state officials are ready at any moment, and rather than getting ready themselves they for the most part (there are some down there who are about the smoke I will say) comply like wh*res. Exactly which is why you need disciplined tactical calculation. You don;t have to blast away at everything like a drive-by, and you dont have to prove "manhood" by getting everyone in your neighborhood or group killed. There are degrees along a continuum of self-defense. You can defend a hood by a strong armed guard around key points for example, as just one measure. A demonstration can be another layer of defence. In the dangerous environment of the 1960s, there was little room for macho John Wayne swaggering. Huey Netwon tried that and got his group shot to pieces, even as his organization was riddled with police/FBI spies and informers.
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I could get good info still on the 1950's on up, but no I don't have too much outside of my family information on the black wall-street era business district, besides that great video that I stumbled upon in the black Louisville Facebook group. My grandfather on my mom's side is a family historian, but he's out in Cali right now. My late aunt Sherli was the first black (and I believe female period) post master here in Louisville. My great great grandfather "Big Daddy" was one of the first if not the first black police man here, and great great great uncle I believe the first black surgeon general here. My granddad's side was here from the early part of the 20th century, and perhaps the late 1800's. That was/is the "gangster-side" of the family. My granddad said that they owned a popular juke joint back in the day, and everybody respected my great great grandmother known as "Big Momma". I heard that that reputation traveled through the generations, which is clearly visible in many of the 60 and up family members. My mom's mother in her own way verified that they were gangsters, pimps and "playas". Louisville is and was known as a "gangster" city located between many other major cities in the South and mIdwest. It is was it is lol. 