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Post by asante on May 6, 2020 16:03:34 GMT -5
A few months back there was a debate here on the possible migration from Kemet into Nubia and from there eventually interior Africa. One of the main contentions in this discussion was the assumption by some parties that "Western scholars" did not acknowledge any sort of migration. While that does not really deter me from believing what just about every "Sub Saharan African" (NC, NS, and Cushitic speakers) passes down orally about their origins it for that reason was simply not acceptable by other parties. This quote here was the quote that the issue surrounded.
personal library and his own direct knowledge of the Ashantis, wrote An Essay on the Superstitions, Customs, and Arts, Common to the Ancient Egyptians, Abyssinians, and Ashantees, in which he argued that Egyptian civilization was diffused via Ethiopia **to the West Coast of Africa.**
"Oral traditions of the ruling Abrade (Aduana) Clan state that Akans originated from ancient Ghana. The Akan people migrated from the north through Egypt and settled in Nubia (Sudan). Around 500 AD (5th century), due to the pressure exerted on Nubia by the Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia, Nubia was scattered and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms. These kingdoms grew and around 750 AD the Ghana Empire was formed. The Empire lasted from 750 AD to 1200 AD and collapsed as a result of the introduction of Islam in Western Sudan, due to the zeal of the Muslims to impose their religion, their ancestors eventually left for Kong (i.e. present-day Ivory Coast). From Kong, they moved to Wam and then to Dormaa (both located in present-day Brong-Ahafo region). The movement from Kong was necessitated by the desire of the people to find suitable savannah conditions since they were not used to forest life. Around the 14th century, they moved from Dormaa South Eastwards to Twifo-Heman North West Cape Coast. This move was commercially motivated."
Here are more sources supporting what has been written about the Akan's Northeast African/Hapi Valley civilization origin.
unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000042627
Eva L. E. Meyerowitz: The Akan of Ghana: their ancient beliefs. 164 pp., 54 photos. London: Faber and Faber, Ltd., 1958. 45s.
"I will always remember the first time I heard about the true relationship between pharaohs and Ta-Seti or Sudan/Nubia. I believed what mainstream scholars and media were saying. That Nubians were the black slaves of Kemet. And that at some point the Nubians INVADED Kemet. I knew that the Kemites were Africans from Diop’s work but Diop told that story in a very scientific way.
Then I listened to Anthony Browder who told a more human story. And I could not believe it at first. It made so much sense, but was still unbelievable because I was at that time still a bit wrapped in the mainstream version.
Anthony Browder said that both people belonged to the same family. They fought each other sometimes, but when Kemet was in trouble, the Kings always looked backwards to ask for help. They called the ancestors because they knew that alone it would be difficult. And Kush always came to save and help his little brother.
And that’s why what scholars call the Nubian invasion of Kemet is not an invasion. It is the LIBERATION of Kemet from the Asiatic influence. But since these scholars are not Africans, they don’t highlight that fact. Because it goes against all the tale they spread about black Nubians and Asiatic Egyptians.
But as you can see in the text above, when the civilization collapsed, the rulers fled to the south, in deep Africa. In Kush (Ethiopia/Sudan or Black Africa). The priests who had the knowledge and where the true rulers, are the ones who later started new civilizations or infiltrated other civilizations in other parts of the continent.
The goal at some point was to flee as far as possible from the invasions and slavery. People tried their best to avoid violence. And that’s why some migrations occurred. And why many people at some point started to migrate within the jungles. Populations always move for a reason." - MR. IMHOTEP
This is icing on the cake, considering the plethora of evidence that substantiated my support for the initial quote.
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Post by asante on Jan 3, 2021 14:29:00 GMT -5
The only place that many of these cultural traits were practiced was in Kemet-Nubia, so when people say that the common "Saharan" origin of these people, and customs there is no evidence of this being practiced in the Saharan. Crystal Clear Evidence of Diffusion from Hapi Valley civilization into Inner Africa (particularly West Africa in this example)
Notice how both the Kemetic pharaoh and Dahomey king are depicted as giant rulers, and have one hand sticking out while being served by smaller humans. More proof of this diffusion of people and culture from the Hapi Valley into interior regions of Africa is shown in the appearance of the ancient Kemetic spiritual system being shown in these other African cultures. The Osirian crock and flail were sported by the kings of inner Africa. Notice that the Dahomey king holds the traditional Osirion Crock while the ancient Kemetic figure holds the Flail. It's also note worthy...that the color scheme of the Dahomey (Nigeria) are not depicting "black skinned" people despite us knowing that these people were/are still melaninated "black" Africans. It's also worth noting how these little Damomey citizens are shaped very similarly (even pointy noses) to how the ancient Mesopotamians depicted themselves. Why are these stylized ("If something is stylized it means it's represented in a non-naturalistic conventional form") artistic traits identical between these two supposedly "distinct" cultures and peoples? Dahomey Kingdom (Nigeria)
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Post by asante on Jan 3, 2021 15:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Jan 4, 2021 8:58:14 GMT -5
Nice optics, not too crowded I've little doubt of diffusion and migration of sorts from the Nile to the Niger, and the Niger to the Nile. The Songhai languages are Nilo Saharan www.sorosoro.org/en/songhay-languages/ but those diffusion weren't just simply one way, we had trade links going back thousands of years, I did a post on that some time ago. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1015/pharaonic-trail-land-yamHowever gotta be careful of linking certain artifacts separated by time and space, eg, the Nabta Playa stones were used for plotting the stars, the Senegal/Sene Gambian stones were used as grave markers, but they looked similar, we have to find out if there were astronomical linkages involved and how they fit, the Ghana royals decked out in quasi Egyptian garb, is really a modern thing.
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Post by anansi on Jan 4, 2021 9:21:39 GMT -5
On your updates pls add the head rests, found all over Africa as a powerful reminder of intra African connectivity, but rarely if ever out side of it. Oh this may also interest you egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3204/gaijanna-zilum-complexDeals with the Sao civilization as probably a middle man connection to the Nile and the Niger, they were supposedly called labeled the "Sons Of Ra" by as late as the Arab encounters.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 11, 2021 10:14:14 GMT -5
Also could you do a lil sumpin on the ankh and dolls w/t same shape?
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Post by zarahan on Jan 31, 2021 16:27:18 GMT -5
Asante said: ""Oral traditions of the ruling Abrade (Aduana) Clan state that Akans originated from ancient Ghana. The Akan people migrated from the north through Egypt and settled in Nubia (Sudan). Around 500 AD (5th century), due to the pressure exerted on Nubia by the Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia, Nubia was scattered and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms. These kingdoms grew and around 750 AD the Ghana Empire was formed. The Empire lasted from 750 AD to 1200 AD and collapsed as a result of the introduction of Islam in Western Sudan, due to the zeal of the Muslims to impose their religion, their ancestors eventually left for Kong (i.e. present-day Ivory Coast). From Kong, they moved to Wam and then to Dormaa (both located in present-day Brong-Ahafo region). The movement from Kong was necessitated by the desire of the people to find suitable savannah conditions since they were not used to forest life. Around the 14th century, they moved from Dormaa South Eastwards to Twifo-Heman North West Cape Coast. This move was commercially motivated."
Asante you need to update to give a reference to this quote. It is spammed in several places around the web, without any attribution. Its hard to know who said it, and when. On the Wiki page on Akawamu there is again, no cited reference. The citations should be given clearly, which adds to credibility of claims, and lets people check them out and decide for themselves. Is it Budge circa 1914? Diop? Yurco? Bard? Who? There are also a number of problems with your Niger-Congoist diffusionist approach,
I think your theory has some potential, but many gaps need to be tightened up. These gaps are glaring, which is why you may have run into opposition from other black researchers on the web. Also as already demonstrated oral traditions can be useful, but also a double edged sword, that contradicts your own argument. Per another thread:
The pics can be useful and show some connectedness of African peoples but the gaps as has been told you for several years now, need to be tightened up.
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Post by asante on Feb 15, 2021 14:20:18 GMT -5
Zaharan...We've been through this! In every instance you failed to point out any road blocks that I have in presenting this argument. In fact it's been about a year to date since my famous thread show casing the evidence for this argument has been locked, and it stemmed from your unfavorable outcome from our last discussion on this topic. You know with the locking of threads in the mid-debate, and cutting and pasting post into different junk threads and what not. Or a better would be Zaharan where is our last exchange, why did you delete it? You know...so how much respect do you honestly think that I have for your naysaying? You're doing your job well I will say! It's not "my" theory firstly. As much as I'd love to take credit for all of this knowledge, this "theory" is the main one that "Afrocentric" scholars have proposed over the last 50-100 years. Zaharan you failed at pointing out these "gaps"...remember? In fact no one has pointed out any "gaps". If they try to it always ends in them backing down, and you cannot provide even one example of opposition to this stance/my argument prevailing. As a matter of fact...if you read this and you do not provide any links to these "gaps" that you claim to exist being presented to me and not properly addressed then just drop that claim. Zaharan I and several others are very aware of this wide ranging network of you tethers on multiple "black" forums (Jewish in the case of the Coli). LOL funny how the post exchanges in my thread on thecoli between myself and a tether (Mfoshu or some shit like that) sent to troll me from Egyptsearch magically got deleted from my thread over there, and the moderator who identified himself (and the only person to one star my thread over there) has deleted his comments there too. The Cac network is being exposed day by day. None the less keep doing what you do. Oral tradition is the first clue. The evidence after that speaks for itself, so you have no point here. Trolls will troll aye!
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 16, 2021 8:50:52 GMT -5
I see no reason to delete cultural history themed posts from this Culture Corner lounge. All us blx were first introduced to Africana Studies via similar materials.
It remains a recruitment tool whether further built up or later discarded by youth or other first timers and is a reminder for foggy OTs (personally I'm not one of the broad diffusionists).
Asante use your browser to save a page each time you post so as to have some 'restorable' copy on hand. That way I can put them back up if deleted provided any abject profanity and or character assassination are absent.
You do you, but couldja decrease the size of your images? This the internet not a coffee table book. Trust me, often enough less is more. Over-size distracts the eye and de-emphasizes shared particulars; you know the old too close to the screen/stage effect. I suggest 640x480 through 320x240 dimension range most 'palette-able' to the average eye.
Also you need tolerate critique/precision of your presentations and 'objectively' examine each without the aim to immediately just defend your take when it could be constructive criticism.
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Post by asante on Feb 16, 2021 13:42:23 GMT -5
I see no reason to delete cultural history themed posts from this Culture Corner lounge. All us blx were first introduced to Africana Studies via similar materials. It remains a recruitment tool whether further built up or later discarded by youth or other first timers and is a reminder for foggy OTs (personally I'm not one of the broad diffusionists). Asante use your browser to save a page each time you post so as to have some 'restorable' copy on hand. That way I can put them back up if deleted provided any abject profanity and or character assassination are absent. You do you, but couldja decrease the size of your images? This the internet not a coffee table book. Trust me, often enough less is more. Over-size distracts the eye and de-emphasizes shared particulars; you know the old too close to the screen/stage effect. I suggest 640x480 through 320x240 dimension range most 'palette-able' to the average eye. Critique is cool and all, but do you accept what you cannot refute as fact or not? The debate is if it's a fact, not if it's possible. If on one hand you want to critique one aspect of the argument (i.e. oral tradition) that's fine we can work with that. In Zaharan's case the only leg of this argument that he attempted to attack was the sourcing of one passage on the Akan's oral tradition (which is common knowledge). He ignores the referencing of multiple sources for this oral tradition to "hammer down" on one that he claims is plastered all over the internet. He makes that out to be a "gaping hole" in my argument. That's selective critique that would not have any bearing on the credibility of the claims given that multiple sources supporting the same oral tradition have been presented. In this instance he is trying to nit-pick, and making that nit-picking out to genuine inquiry and critique, when it's not. It's juvenile to be frank. Secondly with this debate on a major issue regarding the peopling of ancient Africa pointing to a conclusion that is not supported by the status quo/orthodox Western history then the solidity of this argument has serious repercussions for our interpretation of new research. How can people who are serious about resolving this issue of the "race of the Egyptians" attempt to gloss over the fact that a pillar of the status quo's entire argument has crumbled with the evidence that I promote. In almost a whole decade not one of Egyptsearch's "brightest" have made any headway in disrupting the argument that I promote. This means that they have some form of loyalty to the status quo. The mere fact that we have a coalition of online accounts dedicated to maintaining this confusion cloud over this subject through their wicked promotion of the status quo's liberal front is quite telling about what is actually going on here. On the Old ES it's telling that many of the most vocal personalities on the forum did not join into the discussion on this topic last month until they saw that I had been removed from the forum. Then they got very choppy with their critique's not of my argument, but approach to presenting it. They held all of that smoke in, until the coast was clear for them to keep promoting the status quo without any serious opposition. pS. Thanks for the positive comments towards me at the end of my latest tenure over there.
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