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Post by anansi on May 19, 2020 21:24:10 GMT -5
Another great interview by Asar Imhotep this time with Egyptologist Vanessa Davies,highly recommend folks view this, the relationship between Flanders Petrie and and Marcus Garvey, W.E.B Du Bois , is illuminating didn't know these ancestors were involved in things out side the scope of politics, or was it outside of the Scope of politics.
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Post by tydaniels on May 19, 2020 21:53:28 GMT -5
It was pretty good, very interesting stuff. Never knew that Garvey or Du Bois were interested/involved in Egyptology.
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Post by anansi on May 21, 2020 3:18:50 GMT -5
It was pretty good, very interesting stuff. Never knew that Garvey or Du Bois were interested/involved in Egyptology. If you have questions in anything don't be shy, yes I have to look more deeply into the minds of early Western Atlantic leaders, they did looked beyond the shores of Americas to Africa itself,even tho Marcus Garvey and Du Bois were at logger heads over repatriation.
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Post by tydaniels on May 22, 2020 18:05:54 GMT -5
anansi Cool thanks, if I have any questions I will surely ask them. As a new user are we able to create a new thread or post? I'm currently researching the migration routes of OOA and trying to pinpoint the common exit points from Africa, and find the estimated timelines. I know there is a lot of info on here, so maybe someone else already has a thread on this topic.
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Post by zarahan on May 22, 2020 19:00:14 GMT -5
She is doing solid work on unearthing some of the roots of Egyptological narratives, and early engagement of black scholars and notables like Dubois, Garvey etc.
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Post by anansi on May 23, 2020 5:51:49 GMT -5
anansi Cool thanks, if I have any questions I will surely ask them. As a new user are we able to create a new thread or post? I'm currently researching the migration routes of OOA and trying to pinpoint the common exit points from Africa, and find the estimated timelines. I know there is a lot of info on here, so maybe someone else already has a thread on this topic. I'm pretty certain you can,and yeah there is plenty here on OOA. DNA points to a route through Egypt for modern human migrations OOA egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1983/points-route-egypt-modern-migrationsHere^^ is a starter.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on May 23, 2020 6:35:59 GMT -5
Late 70's/early 80's, I used to vend four pamphlets with info on African black Ancient Egypt * 1887 Rev. Rufus L. Perry The Cushite or the Children of Ham * 1916 Rev John William Norris DD The Ethiopian's Place in History * 1918 George Wells Parker The Children of the Sun * 1920 Edward & Josephine Carlisle Historicl Sketches of the Ancient Negro and then there's Drusilla Dunjee Houston's 1926 work Wonderful Ethiopians inspired by W.E.B. Du Bois' The Negro 1915.
In 1946 the MacMillan Company published The World & Africa by Du Bois. Though pushing Nubia and Beja roots for AE he was of the mind that "Mongoloids, fitered in from Asia." They bred with "Negroids" to engender Libyans, Berbers, etc.
"Toward the east and the Nile Delta were the Egyptians, forefathers of the peoplles today called Beja, Galla, Somali, and Danakil.
The Egyptians of predynastic times belonged then to the short, dark haired, dark eyed group of peoples, such as are found on both shores of the Mediterranean. The same stock extended beyond Upper Egypt into Nubia, Their physical characteristics exhibited a remarkable degree of homogeneity.
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The Egyptian religion came naturally from the primitive animism of the African forest and progressed to the worship of Ra, ... Osiris, ... his sister and wife Isis, the black woman. Thus from earliest times women in Egypt had singular prominence and power.
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Egypt under the Eighteenth Dynasty, 1500 BC, has been called the first human example of state socialism, which was developed to an astonishing degree.
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The Egyptians studied and knew human beings; they separated their fellows into black people and brown, yellow people and white. They themselves were brown and black and so depicted themselves on their monuments. many of the yellow peoples from the East filtered in and gradually there evolved a type which we know and would call a mulatto type, ... When persons wished to study science, art, government, or religion, they went to Egypt. The Greeks, inspired by Asia, turned toward Africa for learning, and the Romans in turn learned of Greece and Egypt."
Du Bois goes on with AE lack of race and color conceptions, color and hair variance in the art, noting brown, dark brown, and reddish brown as the norm for themselves, yellow for women or for intermarriage, and white for some N Afrs & Euros.
He writes of culture separation and attitudes of foreign ppls based on culture not colour. Blacks and yellows both depicted as conquered and bearing tribute, as equals exchanging "gifts and courtesies. Sometimes the Mongoloids and Negroids and whites were bound slaves; but in Egyptian monuments slavery was never attributed soley to black folk."
"We conclude, therefore, that the Egyptians were Negroids, and not only that, but by tradition they believed themselves descended not from the whites or the yellows, but from the black peoples of the south. Thence they traced their origin, and toward the south in earlier days they turned the faces of their buried corpses.
Gradually of course, the Egyptians became a separate inbred people with characteristics quite different from their neighbors. ... They were in continuous contact with the blacks to the south. Now and then they enslaved the blacks as they did the whites to the west and the yellow people to the east. But in the main their intercourse with the blacks consisted of trading and fighting with a people against whom they must defend themselves fiercely, but upon whom they depended for trade and for immigrants. Continually black faces appear as Egyptian citizens."
Du Bois then quotes Herodotus' 5th c BCE , Randall- McIver, and Petrie on the African black vein of AE. He records a number of Old Kingdom inferences on the black element including "four Negresses ... found in a single cemetery ... about 3000 BC," a 24% male 19.5% female, "Negro" Early Predynastic to 5th Dynasty and 20% male 15% female 6th - 18th Dyn both w/o adding any "Negroid" intermediates which in the USA would be considered "Negroes" too. 4th & 5th Dyn "nh'si ... holding a high position ... even in the royal court at Memphis." Irthet, Mazoi, Yam, Wawat, and Kau recruits by the " tens of thousands" in Pepi I's conquest of Palestine.
There's more I'd like to post but enough for now, eh. Want something specific from World&Africa? Just ask.
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Post by tydaniels on May 23, 2020 17:28:05 GMT -5
anansi Cool thanks, if I have any questions I will surely ask them. As a new user are we able to create a new thread or post? I'm currently researching the migration routes of OOA and trying to pinpoint the common exit points from Africa, and find the estimated timelines. I know there is a lot of info on here, so maybe someone else already has a thread on this topic. I'm pretty certain you can,and yeah there is plenty here on OOA. DNA points to a route through Egypt for modern human migrations OOA egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1983/points-route-egypt-modern-migrationsHere^^ is a starter._ anansi THANKS!!!!!! I was looking for something like this. I'll read over it, thanks again!
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