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Post by wysingm on May 24, 2010 23:00:55 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on May 24, 2010 23:27:23 GMT -5
Well come Myra nice to have you aboard..Homeylu will be tickled pink to have more females on board ..to keep us males in check..lol
Vice Video ..was this one of your originals?.
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Post by egyptianplanet on May 25, 2010 8:18:19 GMT -5
Nice racist video full of inaccuracies.
You sure showed my fake Egyptian bottoks who's who!
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Post by anansi on May 25, 2010 11:36:37 GMT -5
Nice racist video full of inaccuracies. You sure showed my fake Egyptian bottoks who's who! Could you please explain why it is racist and inaccurate to compare the ancient Kemites to their other East-African neighbors when especially they plotted genetically and morphologically close with said East African neighbors?? some good info here provided by Zarahan egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=egyto&action=display&thread=15Maybe it's because the term "black" is used.. ?? |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 25, 2010 18:14:55 GMT -5
Okay, I have mixed feelings about videos like this. I think the photos make a good point of showing that physical characteristics some people tend to classify as caucasian do occur amongst recognizably native African populations. If it had made that point an left it there it would have been cool. However, to state that they were all unmixed is not necessarily true. There was mixture during the course of Egypt's history. It did absorb people into the population from all directions an in our race poisoned mentality, I think that is a valuable lesson. Now does this necessarily mean that every time you see certain feature it means mixture? Yes and no.
In some cases certain physical types are the result of mixture. But in other cases, where there is mixture, the situation is that both parties had very little variation in their physical characteristics. For example an Egyptian with narrow features and wavy hair and a Levantine with narrow features and narrow hair, will have a child with narrow features and wavy hair. You can't say that the kid looks that way because its mixed.
The other problem is that the films author makes the assumption that there was only one physical phenotype in Egypt. There wasn't. There were many phenotypes in Egypt.
Other point I had a problem with is the underlying message that modern Egyptians are not real Egyptians. That somehow they are mostly extinct in Egypt and only a few dark skinned Upper Egyptians and Nubians represent the Ancient physical type. The fact of the matter is that this is based on a Eurocentric perception of race. That humans come in clear cut groups with very distinct physical characteristics and they can not possible be related to other people who do not share those attributes. Basically we have the same light skin vs dark skin game. The reality is that just like in the AfroAmerican/Latino/Caribbean communities, actual skin colors range from coco brown to creamy white. This is still very much the case in Egypt today. So to put pictures of light skinned Egyptians, or people of that type and say they are not African is inaccurate. They are Africans and they are genetically related to all the dark skinned Egyptians, Nubians, Ethiopians and other East Africans. Momma Africa got some light skinndeded kids too, what's the big deal? As if they would ever have gotten to ride in the front of the bus!
I just think we need to be dismantling Eurocentrism in all its guises instead of reinforcing it.
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Post by egyptianplanet on May 26, 2010 10:32:00 GMT -5
Nice racist video full of inaccuracies. You sure showed my fake Egyptian bottoks who's who! Could you please explain why it is racist and inaccurate to compare the ancient Kemites to their other East-African neighbors when especially they plotted genetically and morphologically close with said East African neighbors?? some good info here provided by Zarahan egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=egyto&action=display&thread=15Maybe it's because the term "black" is used.. ?? It's not due to the term black. She posted pictures of modern Egyptians and stated Egyptians do not look like this and are likely people who migrated from Europe/MiddleEast/etc. The hilarious thing is she had no concept of what she drew from. In one of the photos was Anwar El Sadat. He looks very East African but he's actually mixed between a Lower Egyptian father and a Sudanese mother. However she felt he was fully East African. Furthermore, you know how demeaning that is? Even African scholars like Ivan van Sertima do not argue if the modern Egyptians are descendants of the ancients, he argues if the Africanity of the people is still there or not. Also, I can do the exact same thing she just did. Check this out:  Imhotep. ![]() img.skysports.com/07/09/218x298/MohamedZidan_567032.jpg[/img] Mohammed Zidan (Lower Egyptian)  Omar Samhan. Half Upper Egyptian, half Irish.  Note I don't argue melanin levels, I argue features. ![]() www.kirikou.com/egipto/familia/familia4.jpg[/img]  Upper Egyptians. They don't all look so different. They look East African but I'm looking deeper than skin color. If you notice, all of them have a variance of skin colors but they all like the same family. The above video correlates the features but ultimately wants to link it to skin color. Do you understand why now it has flaws in it? |
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Post by anansi on May 26, 2010 23:17:20 GMT -5
It's not due to the term black. She posted pictures of modern Egyptians and stated Egyptians do not look like this and are likely people who migrated from Europe/MiddleEast/etc. The hilarious thing is she had no concept of what she drew from. In one of the photos was Anwar El Sadat. He looks very East African but he's actually mixed between a Lower Egyptian father and a Sudanese mother. However she felt he was fully East African. Furthermore, you know how demeaning that is? Even African scholars like Ivan van Sertima do not argue if the modern Egyptians are descendants of the ancients, he argues if the Africanity of the people is still there or not. Also, I can do the exact same thing she just did. Check this out: Imhotep. ![]() img.skysports.com/07/09/218x298/MohamedZidan_567032.jpg[/img] Mohammed Zidan (Lower Egyptian) Omar Samhan. Half Upper Egyptian, half Irish. Note I don't argue melanin levels, I argue features. ![]() www.kirikou.com/egipto/familia/familia4.jpg[/img] Upper Egyptians. They don't all look so different. They look East African but I'm looking deeper than skin color. If you notice, all of them have a variance of skin colors but they all like the same family. The above video correlates the features but ultimately wants to link it to skin color. Do you understand why now it has flaws in it? [/quote] Ok!! you were making a case for the end of the video |
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Post by jari on May 27, 2010 10:03:38 GMT -5
It's not due to the term black. She posted pictures of modern Egyptians and stated Egyptians do not look like this and are likely people who migrated from Europe/MiddleEast/etc. The hilarious thing is she had no concept of what she drew from. In one of the photos was Anwar El Sadat. He looks very East African but he's actually mixed between a Lower Egyptian father and a Sudanese mother. However she felt he was fully East African. Furthermore, you know how demeaning that is? Even African scholars like Ivan van Sertima do not argue if the modern Egyptians are descendants of the ancients, he argues if the Africanity of the people is still there or not. Also, I can do the exact same thing she just did. Check this out: Imhotep. ![]() img.skysports.com/07/09/218x298/MohamedZidan_567032.jpg[/img] Mohammed Zidan (Lower Egyptian) Omar Samhan. Half Upper Egyptian, half Irish. Note I don't argue melanin levels, I argue features. ![]() www.kirikou.com/egipto/familia/familia4.jpg[/img] Upper Egyptians. They don't all look so different. They look East African but I'm looking deeper than skin color. If you notice, all of them have a variance of skin colors but they all like the same family. The above video correlates the features but ultimately wants to link it to skin color. Do you understand why now it has flaws in it? [/quote] Ok!! you were making a case for the end of the video [/quote] I agree with you and Truth teacher. When it comes to Egypt we know mixing and incoming populations occured Early in Egypt such as the Hyksos and during New Kingdom periods. There really is no way we can tell who is "More Egyptian" other than the fact that the Rual Upper Egyptians are the closest. That said how do we know if a Lower Egyptian does not represent a face from Dynastic Egypt. The best description of A. Egypt is tropical Adapted. The best populations that represent Egypt are Afro-Latino/Carribians like Dominicans,Cubans,Puerto Ricans. You have dark skinned folks and lighter folks, wavy hair and more curly hair.  However the clip does an excellent job of proving that Egyptians plot with the East African family. PS. Another Photo of Muhammed Zidan  Look at his Hair, look and his nose and lips?? Are those NOT African features...His Skin, How many of us Africans in the Diaspora have Family members with his skin and even his eyes. My dad is lighter than him with the same eyes and those features did not stop him from being segregated from "whites" here in Texas during Jim Crow. Lets not be the same as Eurocentrics. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 27, 2010 21:49:08 GMT -5
Ok!! you were making a case for the end of the video I agree with you and Truth teacher. When it comes to Egypt we know mixing and incoming populations occured Early in Egypt such as the Hyksos and during New Kingdom periods. There really is no way we can tell who is "More Egyptian" other than the fact that the Rual Upper Egyptians are the closest. That said how do we know if a Lower Egyptian does not represent a face from Dynastic Egypt. The best description of A. Egypt is tropical Adapted. The best populations that represent Egypt are Afro-Latino/Carribians like Dominicans,Cubans,Puerto Ricans. You have dark skinned folks and lighter folks, wavy hair and more curly hair. However the clip does an excellent job of proving that Egyptians plot with the East African family. PS. Another Photo of Muhammed Zidan Look at his Hair, look and his nose and lips?? Are those NOT African features...His Skin, How many of us Africans in the Diaspora have Family members with his skin and even his eyes. My dad is lighter than him with the same eyes and those features did not stop him from being segregated from "whites" here in Texas during Jim Crow. Lets not be the same as Eurocentrics. These are the exact same points that I've been making all along. Egyptians always were and still are within the parameters of the African family. Mixtre or lack thereof has nothing to do with it and in the context of white supremacy, it never has. I find it a waste of time and energy arguing the point of how mixed Egyptians may or may not be. Who cares? They are still in the African family just as we are still in the African family even if we're mixed 8 ways to Sunday. True story: A friend of my father's drove down south during the mid 60's. He pulls into a gas station. The owner tells him, "boy, we don't serve niggers here". My father's frind replies, "oh, but I'm not black, I'm Puerto Rican". The man replies, "BOY, I ain't asked you what kind of nigger you was, I just said we don't serve niggers! That I think speaks volumes. So I just find it hilarious when they keep trying to argue how "caucasian" North Africans are. It just goes to show this is all a game and the rules of the game keep changing to make sure they win. If we want to win, we have to stop playing their game. |
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Post by jari on May 28, 2010 10:00:05 GMT -5
I agree with you and Truth teacher. When it comes to Egypt we know mixing and incoming populations occured Early in Egypt such as the Hyksos and during New Kingdom periods. There really is no way we can tell who is "More Egyptian" other than the fact that the Rual Upper Egyptians are the closest. That said how do we know if a Lower Egyptian does not represent a face from Dynastic Egypt. The best description of A. Egypt is tropical Adapted. The best populations that represent Egypt are Afro-Latino/Carribians like Dominicans,Cubans,Puerto Ricans. You have dark skinned folks and lighter folks, wavy hair and more curly hair. However the clip does an excellent job of proving that Egyptians plot with the East African family. PS. Another Photo of Muhammed Zidan Look at his Hair, look and his nose and lips?? Are those NOT African features...His Skin, How many of us Africans in the Diaspora have Family members with his skin and even his eyes. My dad is lighter than him with the same eyes and those features did not stop him from being segregated from "whites" here in Texas during Jim Crow. Lets not be the same as Eurocentrics. These are the exact same points that I've been making all along. Egyptians always were and still are within the parameters of the African family. Mixtre or lack thereof has nothing to do with it and in the context of white supremacy, it never has. I find it a waste of time and energy arguing the point of how mixed Egyptians may or may not be. Who cares? They are still in the African family just as we are still in the African family even if we're mixed 8 ways to Sunday. True story: A friend of my father's drove down south during the mid 60's. He pulls into a gas station. The owner tells him, "boy, we don't serve niggers here". My father's frind replies, "oh, but I'm not black, I'm Puerto Rican". The man replies, "BOY, I ain't asked you what kind of negro you was, I just said we don't serve niggers! That I think speaks volumes. So I just find it hilarious when they keep trying to argue how "caucasian" North Africans are. It just goes to show this is all a game and the rules of the game keep changing to make sure they win. If we want to win, we have to stop playing their game. Seriously the fact is Eurocentrics only use Egyptians as a scapegoat to claim their culture under the banner of White. Most Eurocentrics be they outspoken or not about it believe that the Egyptians of today are less intelligent than the Ancient Egyptians and that the Modern Egyptians are mixed and the Ancient were pure Whites or Caucasians. I have seen people describe the Egyptians as Mexican in appearance. Well guess what the Mexicans were segregated here too. As a matter of fact Arizona just passed a law that can target Mexicans to make sure they are not illegal. The Law is based off of Racial profiling so All the Mexican looking Egyptians better avoid going to Arizona their Caucasian brothers might Racial profile them and send them back to Mexico...LOL. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 28, 2010 16:59:48 GMT -5
These are the exact same points that I've been making all along. Egyptians always were and still are within the parameters of the African family. Mixtre or lack thereof has nothing to do with it and in the context of white supremacy, it never has. I find it a waste of time and energy arguing the point of how mixed Egyptians may or may not be. Who cares? They are still in the African family just as we are still in the African family even if we're mixed 8 ways to Sunday. True story: A friend of my father's drove down south during the mid 60's. He pulls into a gas station. The owner tells him, "boy, we don't serve niggers here". My father's frind replies, "oh, but I'm not black, I'm Puerto Rican". The man replies, "BOY, I ain't asked you what kind of negro you was, I just said we don't serve niggers! That I think speaks volumes. So I just find it hilarious when they keep trying to argue how "caucasian" North Africans are. It just goes to show this is all a game and the rules of the game keep changing to make sure they win. If we want to win, we have to stop playing their game. Seriously the fact is Eurocentrics only use Egyptians as a scapegoat to claim their culture under the banner of White. Most Eurocentrics be they outspoken or not about it believe that the Egyptians of today are less intelligent than the Ancient Egyptians and that the Modern Egyptians are mixed and the Ancient were pure Whites or Caucasians. I have seen people describe the Egyptians as Mexican in appearance. Well guess what the Mexicans were segregated here too. As a matter of fact Arizona just passed a law that can target Mexicans to make sure they are not illegal. The Law is based off of Racial profiling so All the Mexican looking Egyptians better avoid going to Arizona their Caucasian brothers might Racial profile them and send them back to Mexico...LOL. Thank you for pointing this out, but from my experience on youtube, when you have one of the extreemist right wing racist Egyptians flinging the N word around, they will never admit what they really think of Egyptians. I got into it with Akobogadda what's the hell his name, whose always going on about caucasian noses in Africa. He likes to call Ancient Egyptians white, and the wanna be Egyptians love being considered white, so no one asks the question, "Do you believe Modern Egyptians are the descendants of the Ancients"? I dragged it out of this goon and he stated that they are of lesser intelligence and the Ancients were pure whites and when they mixed, Egypt fell. Its all a game with them. As for the Mexican thing, just some more BS. During WW2 American born Mexicans, who of course were natural born citizens, were routinly rounded up and deported to Mexico. And now its in danger of happening again. All people of color need to unite and fight these things because we are all targets. But we are separated and played off against each other so we won't unite and they can pick us off one by one. When I see things like this I'm afraid because I know it could be me next. |
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Post by homeylu on May 29, 2010 7:55:18 GMT -5
It's not due to the term black. She posted pictures of modern Egyptians and stated Egyptians do not look like this and are likely people who migrated from Europe/MiddleEast/etc. The hilarious thing is she had no concept of what she drew from. In one of the photos was Anwar El Sadat. He looks very East African but he's actually mixed between a Lower Egyptian father and a Sudanese mother. However she felt he was fully East African. Furthermore, you know how demeaning that is? Even African scholars like Ivan van Sertima do not argue if the modern Egyptians are descendants of the ancients, he argues if the Africanity of the people is still there or not. Also, I can do the exact same thing she just did. Check this out: Imhotep. ![]() img.skysports.com/07/09/218x298/MohamedZidan_567032.jpg[/img] Mohammed Zidan (Lower Egyptian) Omar Samhan. Half Upper Egyptian, half Irish. Note I don't argue melanin levels, I argue features. ![]() www.kirikou.com/egipto/familia/familia4.jpg[/img] Upper Egyptians. They don't all look so different. They look East African but I'm looking deeper than skin color. If you notice, all of them have a variance of skin colors but they all like the same family. The above video correlates the features but ultimately wants to link it to skin color. Do you understand why now it has flaws in it? [/quote] In defense of Myra, she is NOT the author of the video, just the original poster, so you should correctly attack the video, not the one who posted it, if you disagree with it. Further this game of "race" can be played so many ways, which is why it is "social" and not "biological". Theses self-identifying African Americans don't look any differently from the Egyptians you posted, so whether you argue "features" alone or complexion, it's still based on fallacious racial categorizing. Being "lighter" does not make an Egyptian any less African. If the term 'Black' is not what irritated you, what did? The author used the term African, not negroid, and definitely not caucasoid, in his/her comparisons. The Y Haplotype 'V' (A distinctive AFRICAN haplotype) defines most modern Egyptians and is most frequent in North Africa and Ethiopia, so I didn't find anything wrong with comparing mummies to Ethiopians, as opposed to the two Europeans dressed as Pharoah towards the end of the video. These are who I believe the author was calling 'fake', not MODERN Egyptians, unless I missed something??? What I find interesting is how the following AA, considered "negro" in the USA, would suddenly become "caucasian" in Egypt. Many of us are very much aware of the flaws of identifying groups along racial lines, especially when it comes to those of African descent, the most diverse group on earth! And trust me brothers, this diversity doesn't necessarily come from racial MIXING. Most Egyptians have very little Arab ancestry, they were Arabized by language and politics, not by inheriting 'Arab' genes.     |
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Post by doctorisscientia on May 29, 2010 11:20:25 GMT -5
It's not due to the term black. She posted pictures of modern Egyptians and stated Egyptians do not look like this and are likely people who migrated from Europe/MiddleEast/etc. The hilarious thing is she had no concept of what she drew from. In one of the photos was Anwar El Sadat. He looks very East African but he's actually mixed between a Lower Egyptian father and a Sudanese mother. However she felt he was fully East African. Furthermore, you know how demeaning that is? Even African scholars like Ivan van Sertima do not argue if the modern Egyptians are descendants of the ancients, he argues if the Africanity of the people is still there or not. Also, I can do the exact same thing she just did. Check this out: Imhotep. ![]() img.skysports.com/07/09/218x298/MohamedZidan_567032.jpg[/img] Mohammed Zidan (Lower Egyptian) Omar Samhan. Half Upper Egyptian, half Irish. Note I don't argue melanin levels, I argue features. ![]() www.kirikou.com/egipto/familia/familia4.jpg[/img] Upper Egyptians. They don't all look so different. They look East African but I'm looking deeper than skin color. If you notice, all of them have a variance of skin colors but they all like the same family. The above video correlates the features but ultimately wants to link it to skin color. Do you understand why now it has flaws in it? [/quote] In defense of Myra, she is NOT the author of the video, just the original poster, so you should correctly attack the video, not the one who posted it, if you disagree with it. Further this game of "race" can be played so many ways, which is why it is "social" and not "biological". Theses self-identifying African Americans don't look any differently from the Egyptians you posted, so whether you argue "features" alone or complexion, it's still based on fallacious racial categorizing. Being "lighter" does not make an Egyptian any less African. If the term 'Black' is not what irritated you, what did? The author used the term African, not negroid, and definitely not caucasoid, in his/her comparisons. The Y Haplotype 'V' (A distinctive AFRICAN haplotype) defines most modern Egyptians and is most frequent in North Africa and Ethiopia, so I didn't find anything wrong with comparing mummies to Ethiopians, as opposed to the two Europeans dressed as Pharoah towards the end of the video. These are who I believe the author was calling 'fake', not MODERN Egyptians, unless I missed something??? What I find interesting is how the following AA, considered "negro" in the USA, would suddenly become "caucasian" in Egypt. Many of us are very much aware of the flaws of identifying groups along racial lines, especially when it comes to those of African descent, the most diverse group on earth! And trust me brothers, this diversity doesn't necessarily come from racial MIXING. Most Egyptians have very little Arab ancestry, they were Arabized by language and politics, not by inheriting 'Arab' genes. [/quote] I really doubt that any of the individual African-American men you posted would be considered "Caucasian" by anybody in Egypt... I doubt most Egyptians even follow by that trend of classifying human populations into different groups. Espechially Common, theres nothing "Caucasian" about him "physically"... the other guys other then Common and one of the other men are decent examples of indigenous African diversity (West/Central African) minus outside admixture, but the other two, Smokey and Swiss, are not good examples since more likely then not they both would have significant amounts of European ancestry. Swiss is half Pueto Rican and half Jamaican, and Smokey is African-American... so likey he's predomiantely African. It's not because either Smokey or Swiss are light skin, it's because of either known ancestry, in regard to Swiss, and the known possibility of them being mixed due to national history. I've seen many African individuals who resemble Smokey... minus the grey eyes. imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/174534~Smokey-Robinson-Posters.jpgAnd while I completely agree with you on the fact that "light skin" is indigenous to the African continent, you can't just deny the fact that there has been significant amounts of "racial mixing" in Egypt after the decline of Ancient or Dynastic Egypt. Keita even admits that modern urban northern Egypt does not represent what Egypt would have had looked like several thousand years ago. Population structure changes all the time, and it's not only in Egypt... Northern Italians in no way represents indigenous Northern Italians living in that area during Roman times... mainly via admixture from Northern European groups. Arabs described Northern Egyptians as "half-caste Ethiopians". The Egyptian population jumped from little more than 2 million to around 90 million as of now, with the urban "ethnic" Egyptian population representing 40% of the modern population. During Ancient Egyptian times the mass majority of the population was located along the Nile, i.e. Upper Egypt, as of now only 15% of the population is concentrated along the Nile... some of them being Nubian, the majority of the modern Egyptian population is concentrated along areas surrounding the Delta. You don't think thats significant. The Southern population was rather neglected therefore didn't expereince the massive population growth that we saw in Northern Urban locals. Keita himself presonally pointed out modern day Upper Egyptians, Nubians and Beja populations as the best living repersentatives in regard to the Ancient Egyptian population. www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000648Arab colonization began with the conquest ,and was encouraged by the Ummayyad Caliphs,notably by Hisham[reigned 724-43],who in 727 authorized the planned migration and settlement of several thousand Arabs of the Yemenite tribe of Qays in the Nile Valley. During the eight century and ninth century large numbers of Arab tribesmen,mainly of Yemenite origin,migrate to Egypt,where many of them settled on land. page 457 Although at the end of the Dyanstic period and in Graeco-Roman times Saqarra was a bustling place throughout the year with constant pilgrimages to many shrines ,were troubled souls sought comfort from the mysteries and incubation treatments available and processions and very occasionally an Apis funeral as special entertainment,the district was also probably rather ran down suffering from the excessive usage of almost three thousand years. To some extent its bustle its bustle reflected the busy life of the city of Men-nefer,which remained the most important centre of commerce and administration untill it was supersededby Alexzandria. It was huge,amorphus,rambling place,with large ''ghettoes'' made over for foregin communities---for Greeks,for Jews,for Carians,for Phonecians.Apart from itws temples it probabaly had few imposing buildings,and was mostly made up of warren-like districts of narrow streets and three-storey houses where collapse and rebuilding went on continuously:unsanitary,smelly,dusty or muddy according to the season,but full of life and interest. "pure" Africans with light skin... Khoisan i38.tinypic.com/2aaiseq.jpgEthiopian harariach.com/pictures/Harari%20Culture%20Dress/i150305150_1726_6.jpgWest African Nigerian upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Miss_Nigeria_07_Munachi_Abii.jpgWest African Malian kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/blue-people.jpgetc. The thing about Africa, skin color is defined by the tribe or region in which descend from... skin color varies along a individual basis. We don't have light skin tribes in Africa, we don't have dark skin tribes in Africa... every tribe has a variation from fair to dark. Sorry, stop with the politically-correct nonsence. These people are not wholly indigenous to Africa or Egypt... z.about.com/d/middleeast/1/0/3/9/-/-/0803-hosni-mubarak.jpggirc.modelun.org/wp-content/uploads/Ahmed.jpgwww.brisbanetimes.com.au/ffximage/2008/06/22/15181788_gallery__246x400.jpgThese Egyptians or rural Northern Egyptian and upper Egyptian ancestry are better represenatives of the Ancient Egyptian population. - the majority, at over 60% of the population. farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/4104889479_f349b160fd.jpge.imagehost.org/0436/Egy20.jpge.imagehost.org/0776/Egy17.jpge.imagehost.org/0147/Egy12.jpge.imagehost.org/0555/Egy4.jpge.imagehost.org/0449/Egy28.jpge.imagehost.org/0719/Egy42.jpge.imagehost.org/0134/Egy6.jpge.imagehost.org/0749/Egy10.jpge.imagehost.org/0304/Egy13.jpge.imagehost.org/0652/Egy18.jpgimage56.webshots.com/56/3/1/13/416030113OWagOS_fs.jpg^ other then the two european individuals of course english.people.com.cn/200505/26/images/0525_D79.jpgwww.markwarner.co.uk/resourcelib/Egyptian%20Man.jpg^none of these people are Nubian or Sudanese or even Beja. |
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Post by doctorisscientia on May 29, 2010 11:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by egyptianplanet on May 29, 2010 13:28:16 GMT -5
Instead of just spamming the thread with pictures doctor, why don't you actually try and make a point? You also realize Upper Egyptians are varied as well, right? Trying to argue Lower Egyptians aren't exactly the same phenotypic features you'd find in ancient times, I understand. But you linking them to "Arabs' is nothing short of hilarity. Do you realize Arabs were dark not light? The term "Bedouin" means traveling person. Hell, you said Yemeni Arabs pretty much replaces Lower Egypt, since when? Less than 15% of Arabic genetics are withing Egypt today, and that's Lower Egypt alone. Furthermore, Yemeni Arabs are linked to Eritreans and Somalis. Most Yemeni "Arabs" are Black! Do you notice that half of the Saudi populations look "Black"? Have you seen their soccer team? This is a collage of Upper Egyptians:  Do you not see the variance within the population? Lastly, in the case of Lower Egyptians, most of their genetics are still indigenous to Africa. It's also fair to point out through history Lower Egyptians and Upper Egyptians didn't look the same. Keita even said that the only time you find something close to a "homogeneous" population in Egypt is after the conquests of Narmer unifying Lower and Upper Egypt resulting in mixation between both populaces. It's hard to identify what a native Egyptian is. Furthermore, Ethiopians are mostly Africans but they also have a degree of "Eurasian" genetics in their gene pool. So I consider your points invalid as so do many Upper Egyptians and Lower Egyptians. It's just more of a cline pattern from north to south but it's still there. Many of the Beja/Upper Egyptian people you posted outside of skin color don't look too different from Jordanians, Arabs and Syrians. They're more alike than different. Edit: Truthteacher do you still have that Discovery Channel link showing the genetic link (the one with the halotypes and population movement) relating East Africans, Maghrebiens, Egyptians and Jordanians? |
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