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Post by homeylu on Jun 27, 2010 11:50:41 GMT -5
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Post by zarahan on Jun 27, 2010 20:33:10 GMT -5
^Hard to tell without a closeup, and even then, people from certain regions are racially ambiguous in looks, despite claims from "HBD" types that it is "so easy" for "the average person" to tell. That is one of the main planks supporting their "race" categorization notions- "the average person." A dubious notion if anything outside extreme looks - i.e. Swedes vs Zulu are used.
Hard to tell also without knowing last name or seeing parents which would give additional clues. Hell, maybe the girl can just dance. There are some white girls who can break it down.
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Post by anansi on Jun 27, 2010 21:18:02 GMT -5
Off course she does like everyone alive..  but for real though it is cultural I have seen brothers from else where who can't dance worth a lik. Even folks who are of African decent who grew-up in Jamaica of all places but came from a ridged house-hold where the only music you heard was Mahelia Jackson. their kids were discouraged from making friends outside their immediate congregation..but Anansi do know how to bust a move though I can embarrass teens and 20 somethings if they mess with me.. ;D |
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Post by homeylu on Jun 28, 2010 2:26:04 GMT -5
Zarahan, I was j/k, I know we can't tell if she has African DNA from looking at her, but I do beleive we can tell if she inherited this apparently "natural" ability from her African ancestors. Anansi, you are right and wrong, and I'll explain why. You are correct, that she does carry African DNA like every other human alive. But you are mistaken that it is 'cultural' and even contradict your own statement, by acknowledging that all Africans in diaspora do not have the trait for dancing, although they may be from the same "culture". However, you did show how 'environment' (not culture) plays a role. Scientist have discovered the gene inherited from our original ancestors from Africa that enable some of us to be great performers, such as dancing, and athletics, while others are not so fortunate. They have discovered that from Austrailia to North America, humans have inherited a gene that correlate with spirtual and altered states of consciousness, that give some this 'natural' ability. The reason I postulate "African" in the case with this young girl, is because of her rythmic moves. Rythm has been ingrained into the fabric of our African society since the advent of the worlds oldest instrument..the drum. The African language itself is both rythmic and tonal. Who are the only people on earth to speak a "Click" language. The African drum represented sounds, voices, messages. It has been used in religious ceremonies, wars, weddings, births, and other significant rituals. It is known to incite a spiritual connection, to relieve stress, to bring excitement. It is more than our culture, it is our BLOOD. " Dancing, which is integrally related to music, likely has its origins close to the birth of Homo sapiens, and throughout our history, dancing has been universally practiced in all societies. We hypothesized that there are differences among individuals in aptitude, propensity, and need for dancing that may partially be based on differences in common genetic polymorphisms. Identifying such differences may lead to an understanding of the neurobiological basis of one of mankind's most universal and appealing behavioral traits—dancing. In the current study, 85 current performing dancers and their parents were genotyped for the serotonin transporter (SLC6A4: promoter region HTTLPR and intron 2 VNTR) and the arginine vasopressin receptor 1a (AVPR1a: promoter microsatellites RS1 and RS3). We also genotyped 91 competitive athletes and a group of nondancers/nonathletes (n = 872 subjects from 414 families). Dancers scored higher on the Tellegen Absorption Scale, a questionnaire that correlates positively with spirituality and altered states of consciousness...We believe that the two genes we have identified with dancing in humans are likely involved in the emotional side of dance rather than in the sensorimotor mechanics of this complex phenotype. Both music and athletic performance are complex phenotypes, the presentation of which is molded by environment and genes (and their interaction), especially in elite performers.Source |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jun 28, 2010 7:36:22 GMT -5
Come on man. Have you ever seen a brotha without soul. I can count on my one hand how many I have seen in my lifetime. Off course she does like everyone alive.. but for real though it is cultural I have seen brothers from else where who can't dance worth a lik. Even folks who are of African decent who grew-up in Jamaica of all places but came from a ridged house-hold where the only music you heard was Mahelia Jackson. their kids were discouraged from making friends outside their immediate congregation..but Anansi do know how to bust a move though I can embarrass teens and 20 somethings if they mess with me.. ;D |
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Post by egyptianplanet on Jun 28, 2010 10:47:40 GMT -5
I think it's mostly due to the heat. The heat allows for more energy and flexibility. It helps one move freely whereas cold tends to stiffen. homey have you seen TT's, well 6969aaaa (the guy loves sex what can ya say), interview with an Upper Egyptian man explanation as to why Egyptians love dancing so much? He attributes it mostly to the heat and on top of that the rhythmic tunes which allow for erotic dances.
I don't think the first Africans who went to cold places like Europe exactly wanted to "break it down". They were probably working to build fires and stay warm, lol.
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Post by homeylu on Jun 28, 2010 11:13:32 GMT -5
I think it's mostly due to the heat. The heat allows for more energy and flexibility. It helps one move freely whereas cold tends to stiffen. homey have you seen TT's, well 6969aaaa (the guy loves sex what can ya say), interview with an Upper Egyptian man explanation as to why Egyptians love dancing so much? He attributes it mostly to the heat and on top of that the rhythmic tunes which allow for erotic dances. I don't think the first Africans who went to cold places like Europe exactly wanted to "break it down". They were probably working to build fires and stay warm, lol. Lol, when did he change his name to 6969, smh, men.  I didn't see his video, but I did see one with little 4 year old Egyptian girls Belly dancing, to a rythmic beat, and no one can tell me they were not born with it. C'mon 4 years old, you can't learn this talent in dance school. My Egyptian friend said you have to be born with it, lol. |
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Post by anansi on Jun 28, 2010 11:25:32 GMT -5
I think it's mostly due to the heat. The heat allows for more energy and flexibility. It helps one move freely whereas cold tends to stiffen. homey have you seen TT's, well 6969aaaa (the guy loves sex what can ya say), interview with an Upper Egyptian man explanation as to why Egyptians love dancing so much? He attributes it mostly to the heat and on top of that the rhythmic tunes which allow for erotic dances. I don't think the first Africans who went to cold places like Europe exactly wanted to "break it down". They were probably working to build fires and stay warm, lol. Lol, when did he change his name to 6969, smh, men. I didn't see his video, but I did see one with little 4 year old Egyptian girls Belly dancing, to a rythmic beat, and no one can tell me they were not born with it. C'mon 4 years old, you can't learn this talent in dance school. My Egyptian friend said you have to be born with it, lol. Cultural!! sayz I.. if rhythmic music and dancing is part of your culture since the day you were born chances are you will have rhythm...Now African cultures are full of rhythm including Kemitians and their descendants modern day Egyptians for where ever their descendants ends up you will have the beat. And really there is a dance gene?? ;D |
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Post by egyptianplanet on Jun 28, 2010 11:35:13 GMT -5
There's no dance gene, lol. If there is can we harness it to help out our European friends?  I notice "Whites" try to go for a more structured dance. Like square dancing, doing the robot, etc. It seems almost wrong because dancing isn't about order, it's about chaos and expression. Which begs the question, what is dancing? I think it's emotion and expression put into a physical state. Also let's go outside the cultural bit and switch it up (if that's ok?) and ask if gender helps with dancing. A lot of dancing is about flexibility, women tend to be much more flexible. Could that be why they can do some things men can't? |
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Post by anansi on Jun 28, 2010 20:42:12 GMT -5
There's no dance gene, lol. If there is can we harness it to help out our European friends? I notice "Whites" try to go for a more structured dance. Like square dancing, doing the robot, etc. It seems almost wrong because dancing isn't about order, it's about chaos and expression. Which begs the question, what is dancing? I think it's emotion and expression put into a physical state. Also let's go outside the cultural bit and switch it up (if that's ok?) and ask if gender helps with dancing. A lot of dancing is about flexibility, women tend to be much more flexible. Could that be why they can do some things men can't? I know I know..just kidding..LOL But I read somewhere along time ago that Northern peoples tends to dance in a circular fashion around a fire, Sourthern people tends to gyrate their waist.. more likely to do with fertility rites and agriculture and this type of dancing is seen from West Africa to Polynesia. And yes females tends to be more nimble in their dance moves but the males may appear more ridged to show aggressiveness or manliness. Sorta saying I will conquer you tonite while her gyrating says take me. |
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Post by egyptianplanet on Jun 29, 2010 8:58:18 GMT -5
Wow, I never knew dances then are very similar to dances today. Your example reminds me of Wyclef and Shakira that song, "Hips don't lie." While Shakira moved her waist, Wyclef sort of showed off his muscles and strength. The sexual backdrop is used mostly today in dances, girls shaking their waste and guys trying to express how they feel about it.
Even the dancing of the Greeks, where they dance in a line and perform kicks, involves a great deal of sexuality. Often you'll see the women shaking their hips while the men show off their physical strength by doing flips or posing.
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Post by sundiata on Jun 29, 2010 10:21:46 GMT -5
Zarahan, I was j/k, I know we can't tell if she has African DNA from looking at her, but I do beleive we can tell if she inherited this apparently "natural" ability from her African ancestors. Anansi, you are right and wrong, and I'll explain why. You are correct, that she does carry African DNA like every other human alive. But you are mistaken that it is 'cultural' and even contradict your own statement, by acknowledging that all Africans in diaspora do not have the trait for dancing, although they may be from the same "culture". However, you did show how 'environment' (not culture) plays a role. Scientist have discovered the gene inherited from our original ancestors from Africa that enable some of us to be great performers, such as dancing, and athletics, while others are not so fortunate. They have discovered that from Austrailia to North America, humans have inherited a gene that correlate with spirtual and altered states of consciousness, that give some this 'natural' ability. The reason I postulate "African" in the case with this young girl, is because of her rythmic moves. Rythm has been ingrained into the fabric of our African society since the advent of the worlds oldest instrument..the drum. The African language itself is both rythmic and tonal. Who are the only people on earth to speak a "Click" language. The African drum represented sounds, voices, messages. It has been used in religious ceremonies, wars, weddings, births, and other significant rituals. It is known to incite a spiritual connection, to relieve stress, to bring excitement. It is more than our culture, it is our BLOOD. " Dancing, which is integrally related to music, likely has its origins close to the birth of Homo sapiens, and throughout our history, dancing has been universally practiced in all societies. We hypothesized that there are differences among individuals in aptitude, propensity, and need for dancing that may partially be based on differences in common genetic polymorphisms. Identifying such differences may lead to an understanding of the neurobiological basis of one of mankind's most universal and appealing behavioral traits—dancing. In the current study, 85 current performing dancers and their parents were genotyped for the serotonin transporter (SLC6A4: promoter region HTTLPR and intron 2 VNTR) and the arginine vasopressin receptor 1a (AVPR1a: promoter microsatellites RS1 and RS3). We also genotyped 91 competitive athletes and a group of nondancers/nonathletes (n = 872 subjects from 414 families). Dancers scored higher on the Tellegen Absorption Scale, a questionnaire that correlates positively with spirituality and altered states of consciousness...We believe that the two genes we have identified with dancing in humans are likely involved in the emotional side of dance rather than in the sensorimotor mechanics of this complex phenotype. Both music and athletic performance are complex phenotypes, the presentation of which is molded by environment and genes (and their interaction), especially in elite performers.SourceBe careful homeylu. The article does not seem to support your conclusion and such a point would only be valid with an assumed primitiveness of Africans (the thinking that: 'because the gene is postulated to have come from early homo-sapiens, it should be seen disproportionately in modern-day Africans'). The study says nothing to the effect that these genes predominate in Africa and implies that it is scattered among all homo-sapiens, as observed in professional athletes and dancers (without regard to ancestry). It was speculated that the genes left with the first humans out of Africa, thus, we'd all be ancestors of people who carried these traits (the ones who left and didn't leave). This is not evidence of Africans being innately good dancers, good athletes, or spiritualists any more than anyone else. No, this is not evidence that gross western stereotypes of Blacks have a biological basis. Please be careful. |
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Post by homeylu on Jun 30, 2010 0:59:03 GMT -5
Zarahan, I was j/k, I know we can't tell if she has African DNA from looking at her, but I do beleive we can tell if she inherited this apparently "natural" ability from her African ancestors. Anansi, you are right and wrong, and I'll explain why. You are correct, that she does carry African DNA like every other human alive. But you are mistaken that it is 'cultural' and even contradict your own statement, by acknowledging that all Africans in diaspora do not have the trait for dancing, although they may be from the same "culture". However, you did show how 'environment' (not culture) plays a role. Scientist have discovered the gene inherited from our original ancestors from Africa that enable some of us to be great performers, such as dancing, and athletics, while others are not so fortunate. They have discovered that from Austrailia to North America, humans have inherited a gene that correlate with spirtual and altered states of consciousness, that give some this 'natural' ability. The reason I postulate "African" in the case with this young girl, is because of her rythmic moves. Rythm has been ingrained into the fabric of our African society since the advent of the worlds oldest instrument..the drum. The African language itself is both rythmic and tonal. Who are the only people on earth to speak a "Click" language. The African drum represented sounds, voices, messages. It has been used in religious ceremonies, wars, weddings, births, and other significant rituals. It is known to incite a spiritual connection, to relieve stress, to bring excitement. It is more than our culture, it is our BLOOD. " Dancing, which is integrally related to music, likely has its origins close to the birth of Homo sapiens, and throughout our history, dancing has been universally practiced in all societies. We hypothesized that there are differences among individuals in aptitude, propensity, and need for dancing that may partially be based on differences in common genetic polymorphisms. Identifying such differences may lead to an understanding of the neurobiological basis of one of mankind's most universal and appealing behavioral traits—dancing. In the current study, 85 current performing dancers and their parents were genotyped for the serotonin transporter (SLC6A4: promoter region HTTLPR and intron 2 VNTR) and the arginine vasopressin receptor 1a (AVPR1a: promoter microsatellites RS1 and RS3). We also genotyped 91 competitive athletes and a group of nondancers/nonathletes (n = 872 subjects from 414 families). Dancers scored higher on the Tellegen Absorption Scale, a questionnaire that correlates positively with spirituality and altered states of consciousness...We believe that the two genes we have identified with dancing in humans are likely involved in the emotional side of dance rather than in the sensorimotor mechanics of this complex phenotype. Both music and athletic performance are complex phenotypes, the presentation of which is molded by environment and genes (and their interaction), especially in elite performers.SourceBe careful homeylu. The article does not seem to support your conclusion and such a point would only be valid with an assumed primitiveness of Africans (the thinking that: 'because the gene is postulated to have come from early homo-sapiens, it should be seen disproportionately in modern-day Africans'). The study says nothing to the effect that these genes predominate in Africa and implies that it is scattered among all homo-sapiens, as observed in professional athletes and dancers (without regard to ancestry). It was speculated that the genes left with the first humans out of Africa, thus, we'd all be ancestors of people who carried these traits (the ones who left and didn't leave). This is not evidence of Africans being innately good dancers, good athletes, or spiritualists any more than anyone else. No, this is not evidence that gross western stereotypes of Blacks have a biological basis. Please be careful. Sundiata, please READ carefully. Show me ANYWHERE in my own statements did I claim only Africans have inherited this gene and natural ability to dance or perform in sports. Please don't grasp at straws when responding to me. Thanks. FYI, I was showing Anansi, that the ABILITY to dance is naturally inherited, while the TYPES of dances, may be culturally based. In fact it's not a "dance" gene per se, but rather a hormone producing gene, that "natural" performers such as dancers, and athletes so happen to have an abundance of, when compared with non-dancers and non-athletes. In order to prove or disprove, that Africans tend to have more of this particular hormone, than other nationalities, a different study would have to be conducted. To my knowledge, there hasn't been one, so believe me, I stand by statements, and I separate my own opinion from scientific evidence. My exact statement: "The reason I postulate "African" in the case with this young girl, is because of her rythmic moves."I think you should be well aware that when something is POSTULATED, it's self-evident, without the need for scientific reasoning. The girl has rythym, rythym has it's basis in Africa, I already admitted to joking about her African DNA...Chill  |
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Post by homeylu on Jun 30, 2010 1:00:51 GMT -5
Sorta saying I will conquer you tonite while her gyrating says take me. Get a room! 
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Post by egyptianplanet on Jun 30, 2010 8:28:50 GMT -5
This is a Turkish dance.
Hip movements are all identical. Girls are naughty creatures.
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but for real though it is cultural I have seen brothers from else where who can't dance worth a lik.
