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Post by Charlie Bass on Aug 3, 2010 15:16:02 GMT -5
Why do you insist on using the word negro. because that is how subsaharaners are referred to in my native tongue (french); Nègre. Since when did Negro mean inferior? You do realize that that is the word used in Spanish to identify a person like you and me, right? You do realize in french and spanish speaking countries, the word is still in use. Perhaps you are confusing negro for "nig*er." I suspect that is the case. So explain to me "Negroid?" You got some serious personal issues w/me. You need to just chill out, sir. How have I used it in an insulting way? I thought it was African American? You got a personal issue w/me, so why don't you just come out w/it? What is your beef? The word Negro has no place in this discussion so don't press your luck with being provocative. Don't take this thread off topic.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Aug 3, 2010 20:20:32 GMT -5
Hate the word NEGRO myself. BUT. He can easily use the "sub-saharan" in an insulting manner. Point. Why not let this slide. . . for now.
See where he is going with this. At least he hasn't use the N word and foul language as yet.
Criticism does not equate to dis-respect I know some older folks that insist on using NEGRO.
BTW the guy is almost 50yo. He doesn't know any better
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 4, 2010 14:43:06 GMT -5
Japan is not as bad as Russia and I am sure you know this already. Japan is following the west' lead to an open society. You will find some Russians that embrace multiculturalism, but by and large, Russians are very ethnocentric. Yeah but that doesn't mean that there aren't far- rightist people here with anti foreigner sentiments!! And how do you know that some Russians do not embrace multiculturalism? perhaps enough to elect an African to represent them. Thank god you're not!
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 4, 2010 14:58:41 GMT -5
Why do you insist on using the word negro. because that is how subsaharaners are referred to in my native tongue (french); Nègre. Since when did Negro mean inferior? You do realize that that is the word used in Spanish to identify a person like you and me, right? You do realize in french and spanish speaking countries, the word is still in use. Perhaps you are confusing negro for "nig*er." I suspect that is the case. Wake up Dorothy, you're not in Kansaas any more. incase you haven't noticed, this ain't france and ths ain't a french or spanish language forum. The language of communication here sir is standard ENGLISH and in polite society, English speaking society, the term negro is offensive, please make note of it. Be polite and not use the term here, or is the word African no longer a part of Spanish or French vocabulary? Ever heard of un Africano?I thought it was African American? Are you aware of the fact that people of African origin live all over the world and that most of them have never been to the United States? The best term to use would be African, plain and simple, or am I assuming too much by you? You got a personal issue w/me, so why don't you just come out w/it? What is your beef? Maybe he doesn't, but i do. Gee, where would I start? i'd be here all day with that one, but luckily i have a life to live. Okay, back on topic. I think its great that his community in Russia obviously sees him for who he is not what he looks like. I think that in most cases fear and mistrust come from a lack of interaction. The more you interact with people, the more you begin to see them as individuals. This is obviously the case here. Does anyone know what the circumstances of Pushkin's grand father were or how he was received by the Russans in his community?
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 4, 2010 15:00:41 GMT -5
Hate the word NEGRO myself. BUT. He can easily use the "sub-saharan" in an insulting manner. Point. Why not let this slide. . . for now. BTW the guy is almost 50yo. He doesn't know any better Does he smoke, have a history of diabetis? ...... Just asking..... Anybody have a calendar?.....
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Post by gigantic on Aug 4, 2010 15:31:25 GMT -5
Wake up Dorothy, you're not in Kansaas any more. incase you haven't noticed, this ain't france and ths ain't a french or spanish language forum. The language of communication here sir is standard ENGLISH and in polite society, English speaking society, the term negro is offensive, please make note of it. Be polite and not use the term here, or is the word African no longer a part of Spanish or French vocabulary? Ever heard of un Africano? You do not know what you are talking about. Here is a photocopy of the US census, 2010: Care to explain how the very census refutes your notion the term is no longer used in "politce society?"
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 4, 2010 16:23:43 GMT -5
Wake up Dorothy, you're not in Kansaas any more. incase you haven't noticed, this ain't france and ths ain't a french or spanish language forum. The language of communication here sir is standard ENGLISH and in polite society, English speaking society, the term negro is offensive, please make note of it. Be polite and not use the term here, or is the word African no longer a part of Spanish or French vocabulary? Ever heard of un Africano? You do not know what you are talking about. Here is a photocopy of the US census, 2010: Care to explain how the very census refutes your notion the term is no longer used in "politce society?" There are still a few dinosaurs left on the planet who insist on using the terminology. Most educated cultured people avoid the term. By the way just so you know, when asked my race by the census I told them to get stuffed. Racial classifications were created by and for a poloitical and social system which does not have my best interest at heart, so no, I'm not surprised that they are still using such terminology. If they weren't still blatant racists they would feel the need to categorize people according to race in the fist place. And just to finish my say on the matter, who the hell gets to determine who or what said negro is anyway and what gives them such a right/ I've said my piece, now, can we get back on topic? If you like, you can pick this up in a new thread with anyone who feels the need to waste their time on it with you. Its obvious to me what you are all about and I have no wish to converse with you further.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 4, 2010 17:30:33 GMT -5
There are still a few dinosaurs left on the planet who insist on using the terminology. A few? (LOL) Sir, the few dinosaurs was ENOUGH to get the federal government to include the term on the census. I highly doubt that that consitutes "few," as you put. TRY AGAIN, sir. You are throwing around RELATIVE terms, sir. It would be like me saying Subsaharaners are not cutured and educated. Obviously this would be based on my own perspective. So, your statement is MEANINGLESS. Try again, sir, but this time a little bit harder. Sir, I could care less what you do in your personal life. Follow? Right! it does not have your best interest at heart. I am happy you realize that you are speaking for YOURSELF and none other. Keep up the good work, sir. I was always on topic until some, like yourself, felt the need to call me out on my choice of words. You should have come to that conclusion before you wrote up your missive, sir. Next time, think before you act, sir. Take care.
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Post by anansi on Aug 4, 2010 18:12:57 GMT -5
Moderator warning stick to the topic at hand the mods are discussing the use of the term Negro in this forum,please be patient.
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Post by anansi on Aug 4, 2010 18:53:53 GMT -5
Quote; TruthTeacher 2007 Okay, back on topic. I think its great that his community in Russia obviously sees him for who he is not what he looks like. I think that in most cases fear and mistrust come from a lack of interaction. The more you interact with people, the more you begin to see them as individuals. This is obviously the case here. Does anyone know what the circumstances of Pushkin's grand father were or how he was received by the Russans in his community?He was adopted into the Russian elite circles there are conflicting reports of him being from the Horn of what is now known as Eritrea and another as being form the Logone River, in Cameroon, south of Lake Chad. n an official document that Gannibal submitted in 1742 to Empress Elizabeth, while petitioning for the rank of nobility and a coat of arms, he asked for the right to use a family crest emblazoned with an elephant and the mysterious word "FVMMO" (means homeland in Kotoko). However, FVMMO has also been suggested to stand for the Latin expression "Fortuna Vitam Meam Mutavit Oppido" which means "Fortune has changed my life entirely en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Petrovich_GannibalHowever it seemed he was not mocked or put upon because of his color or place of birth, What is certain was he joined the Nobility and became a general and war hero,he was also known as The Moor of Peter the Great. It should also be noted that some British aristocrats descend from Gannibal, such as Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster, and George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Petrovich_GannibalI know Wiki sources are frowned upon for good reasons, but I have books at hand with the same info above.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 4, 2010 21:12:52 GMT -5
Quote; TruthTeacher 2007 Okay, back on topic. I think its great that his community in Russia obviously sees him for who he is not what he looks like. I think that in most cases fear and mistrust come from a lack of interaction. The more you interact with people, the more you begin to see them as individuals. This is obviously the case here. Does anyone know what the circumstances of Pushkin's grand father were or how he was received by the Russans in his community?He was adopted into the Russian elite circles there are conflicting reports of him being from the Horn of what is now known as Eritrea and another as being form the Logone River, in Cameroon, south of Lake Chad. n an official document that Gannibal submitted in 1742 to Empress Elizabeth, while petitioning for the rank of nobility and a coat of arms, he asked for the right to use a family crest emblazoned with an elephant and the mysterious word "FVMMO" (means homeland in Kotoko). However, FVMMO has also been suggested to stand for the Latin expression "Fortuna Vitam Meam Mutavit Oppido" which means "Fortune has changed my life entirely en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Petrovich_GannibalHowever it seemed he was not mocked or put upon because of his color or place of birth, What is certain was he joined the Nobility and became a general and war hero,he was also known as The Moor of Peter the Great. It should also be noted that some British aristocrats descend from Gannibal, such as Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster, and George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Petrovich_GannibalI know Wiki sources are frowned upon for good reasons, but I have books at hand with the same info above.Very interesting. How dd he come to be in Russia in the first place?
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 4, 2010 21:40:04 GMT -5
Moderator warning stick to the topic at hand the mods are discussing the use of the term Negro in this forum,please be patient. Obviously when making reference to certain material the term is going to be used because it was common usage during the time period. However, when used in a context to deliberately push people's buttons, now we're talking something different. If the intent was not to insult and inflame a simple, mia culpa would have taken care of it. The fact that it was used together with the term "uncivilized" is further proof of the intent behind it. I personally have nothing further to say to the individual in this or any other thread. Its clear to me said person is not here for any kind of positive interaction or communication, but only to stir up as much muck as they can. It should not be tolerted lest this forum turn into the cespool that this forum was created to escape from. We may not always see eye to eye, but at least so far we have had a certain level of respect for each other here and even though i can at times be a sarcastic hot head, I'm not above admiting when I am wrong, or when I have unjustifiably gone off on someone, (theoretically of course, we all know I've never actually done anything like that).
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Post by anansi on Aug 5, 2010 0:36:01 GMT -5
Apparently he was captured or given as royal hostage to the Turks he was then taken to Constantinople and got ransomed to the Russians.
Another interesting factoid was that he is a descendant of Hannibal of Carthage,will have to dig further on that.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 5, 2010 15:09:27 GMT -5
Apparently he was captured or given as royal hostage to the Turks he was then taken to Constantinople and got ransomed to the Russians. That's interesting indeed. Just shows how far people of the diaspora ended up from home. I wonder how many other's found themselves in unlikely places. If it weren't for the fact that Pushkin became so famous, we might not have known anything about this man at all. So what about the not famous at all? Wonder how many of them there were that just blended in to the societies they found themselves in and were then lost to time? Another interesting factoid was that he is a descendant of Hannibal of Carthage,will have to dig further on that. We'll that i think is stretching it a bit. However, it is a human trait to puff yourselves up even if it means spinning some tall tales. My grand father was found of telling people he was Hawaiian, don't ask me why . Truth was his family was creole from Martinique. I think some people just want to feel special and dred the thought of being "ordinary". It's probably what drives people to become entertainers isn't it?
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Post by anansi on Aug 5, 2010 20:23:08 GMT -5
Apparently he was captured or given as royal hostage to the Turks he was then taken to Constantinople and got ransomed to the Russians. That's interesting indeed. Just shows how far people of the diaspora ended up from home. I wonder how many other's found themselves in unlikely places. If it weren't for the fact that Pushkin became so famous, we might not have known anything about this man at all. So what about the not famous at all? Wonder how many of them there were that just blended in to the societies they found themselves in and were then lost to time? Another interesting factoid was that he is a descendant of Hannibal of Carthage,will have to dig further on that. We'll that i think is stretching it a bit. However, it is a human trait to puff yourselves up even if it means spinning some tall tales. My grand father was found of telling people he was Hawaiian, don't ask me why . Truth was his family was creole from Martinique. I think some people just want to feel special and dred the thought of being "ordinary". It's probably what drives people to become entertainers isn't it? Well I agree that is improbable that he was a descendant of Hannibal the Carthaginian one source suggested that the early Soviets were the ones making that connection other than the man himself despite his name.
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