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Post by jari on Aug 3, 2010 20:07:54 GMT -5
An interesting note was brought up on E.S..
Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7%
If we compare that to other estimates..
Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8%
Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1%
Windward Coast (Liberia and Côte d'Ivoire): 1.8%
Gold Coast (Ghana and east of Côte d'Ivoire):10.4%
Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2%
Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6%
West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4%
More slaves were taken from Madagascar and Mozambiqe than Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ginea Bassue, Sierra Leone and almost the same for the Senegambia region.
This is shocking to me, first because the slave trade is something I have not really researched and also because of the Distance I thought a Few slaves like no more than 1% were from South East Africa..but it seems more were taken from there than places like Sierra Leone?? Interesting I will try to find some info on this.
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Post by egyptianplanet on Aug 3, 2010 21:46:40 GMT -5
As always fair to point out, no matter how annoying, these borders are rather arbitrary so drawing parallels between then and now would be quite difficult.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 5, 2010 6:38:46 GMT -5
An interesting note was brought up on E.S.. Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7% If we compare that to other estimates.. Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8% Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1% Windward Coast (Liberia and Côte d'Ivoire): 1.8% Gold Coast (Ghana and east of Côte d'Ivoire):10.4% Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2% Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6% West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4% More slaves were taken from Madagascar and Mozambiqe than Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ginea Bassue, Sierra Leone and almost the same for the Senegambia region. This is shocking to me, first because the slave trade is something I have not really researched and also because of the Distance I thought a Few slaves like no more than 1% were from South East Africa..but it seems more were taken from there than places like Sierra Leone?? Interesting I will try to find some info on this. My guess is that these would have been sold to te portuguese who had their sphere of influence in East Africa. I think the overwhelming majority would have gone to Brazil. However, most peole tend to overlook, forget, or just don't know that there was an East African slave trade to the Middle East/Persian Gulf as well. |
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Post by clydewin98 on Aug 5, 2010 6:44:57 GMT -5
An interesting note was brought up on E.S.. Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7% If we compare that to other estimates.. Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8% Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1% Windward Coast (Liberia and Côte d'Ivoire): 1.8% Gold Coast (Ghana and east of Côte d'Ivoire):10.4% Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2% Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6% West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4% More slaves were taken from Madagascar and Mozambiqe than Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ginea Bassue, Sierra Leone and almost the same for the Senegambia region. This is shocking to me, first because the slave trade is something I have not really researched and also because of the Distance I thought a Few slaves like no more than 1% were from South East Africa..but it seems more were taken from there than places like Sierra Leone?? Interesting I will try to find some info on this. What you have to remember is that the Royal African Society controlled trade in West Africa. As a result, the Americans usually took slaves from Southeast Africa and even India to sell in the United States. Check this out: US merchants had very good relations with Swahili businessmen. |
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Post by clydewin98 on Aug 5, 2010 7:19:26 GMT -5
An interesting note was brought up on E.S.. Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7% If we compare that to other estimates.. Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8% Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1% Windward Coast (Liberia and Côte d'Ivoire): 1.8% Gold Coast (Ghana and east of Côte d'Ivoire):10.4% Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2% Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6% West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4% More slaves were taken from Madagascar and Mozambique than Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ginea Bassue, Sierra Leone and almost the same for the Senegambia region. This is shocking to me, first because the slave trade is something I have not really researched and also because of the Distance I thought a Few slaves like no more than 1% were from South East Africa..but it seems more were taken from there than places like Sierra Leone?? Interesting I will try to find some info on this. Recently scientist found haplogroup M23 in Madagascar. The only other people who carry this gene are Afro-Americans. Many of the Madagasy who carry this gene live in the jungle which was a refuge for people running away from the slave traders. These Malagasy are called Minkea. The Minkea, are descendants of Madagasy population that fled into the jungles to escape slave traders . During the Indian Ocean and Atlantic slave trades millions of Africans from Mozambique and Madagascar were sold as slaves . Beginning in the middle 1600's as many as 900 slaves were taken from Mozanbique to the US by American slavers every two months. In 1682 the Royal African Company began to take slaves from Mozambique and by 1721 they had landed an estimated 205,000 slaves in the US. We may never know how many slaves were taken from Mozambique--because we have no records of the number of Mozambiqan slaves brought to the US by American slavers. This may explain why it is hard to find mtDNA haplogroup M23 in Mozambique today. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Aug 5, 2010 8:27:10 GMT -5
Proof?  reference. Quote: Recently scientist found haplogroup M23 in Madagascar. The only other people who carry this gene are Afro-Americans. |
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Post by clydewin98 on Aug 5, 2010 9:26:32 GMT -5
Proof? reference. Quote: Recently scientist found haplogroup M23 in Madagascar. The only other people who carry this gene are Afro-Americans. Ricault,F.X., Razafindrazaka H., Cox M.P., Dugoujon,J.M., Guitard E, Mormina M., Mirazon-Lahr M., Ludes B., Crubezy E. A new deep branch of Eurasian mtDNA macrohaplogroup M reveals additional complexity regarding the settlement of Madagascar, BMC Genomics, 2009, 10:605. Retrieved 6/2/2010 at: www.biomedical.com/1471-2164/10/605 www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/10/605 Dubut V., Cartault F., Payet C., Thionville Marie-Dominique ,Murail P. (2009). Complete Mitochondrial Sequences for Haplogroups M23 and M46: Insights into the Asian Ancestry of the Malagasy Population , Human Biology, 81 (4), 495-500 www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3378/027.081.0407Enjoy |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Aug 5, 2010 11:47:10 GMT -5
Thanks. Will check out.
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Post by jari on Aug 5, 2010 20:25:23 GMT -5
An interesting note was brought up on E.S.. Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7% If we compare that to other estimates.. Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8% Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1% Windward Coast (Liberia and Côte d'Ivoire): 1.8% Gold Coast (Ghana and east of Côte d'Ivoire):10.4% Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2% Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6% West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4% More slaves were taken from Madagascar and Mozambiqe than Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ginea Bassue, Sierra Leone and almost the same for the Senegambia region. This is shocking to me, first because the slave trade is something I have not really researched and also because of the Distance I thought a Few slaves like no more than 1% were from South East Africa..but it seems more were taken from there than places like Sierra Leone?? Interesting I will try to find some info on this. My guess is that these would have been sold to te portuguese who had their sphere of influence in East Africa. I think the overwhelming majority would have gone to Brazil. However, most peole tend to overlook, forget, or just don't know that there was an East African slave trade to the Middle East/Persian Gulf as well. While you are right insome aspects many were taken to the U.S here is some info.. In the beginning the slave trade in Madagascar began with the Arabs(Of Course Peace Be upon them--the taking os slaves in the 16th century by Prtuguese and Dutech is comparatively incidental. It is with the installation of the Dtuch at Mauritius, at Batavia, and on the Cape (of Good Hope, S. Africa) that the slave trade became really useful. In the 18th century, with the demands of the French West Indies and the Indian Ocean Islands, the English and especially the French would outdo the Dutch...The commerce in slaves was mixed in with the commerce of other merchandise...discussions with chiefs over price, competing buyers, and different national interest. The ships that are historically known for this between 1506 to 1776 are of about 100 in quantity. In counting a mean of about 200 slaves by boat, one gets a total of 20,000 slaves taken from Madagascar in three centuries by the Europeans..the principal destinations were Comoros, the Red Sea, Mauritius, The Cape of Good Hope, the British West Indies, and Brazil... Slaves coming into the US were offically prohibited in 1807(coming directly from Africa).
From 1719 to 1725 more than 1,000 Malagasy slaves arrived to the Commonwealth of Virginia through the ports of Rappahannock and York rivers. The Prince Eugene of Bristol came into York River district of Virginia on May 18, 1719 carrying 340 Malagasy; the Mercury of London arrived at the district of Rappahannock River on May 17, 1720 with 466 Malagasy; and were followed by the Rebecca Snow, the Gascoigne Galley, the Henrietta, and the Coker Snow. The Prince Eugene, Rebecca Snow, and Gascoigne Galley apparently made directly from Madagascar for Virginia, where the Prince Eugene had sold her licensed cargo in 1719. The Henrietta stopped in Pernambuco, Brazil before continuing to Barbados and Virginia. Three of the Madagascar vessels arrived in Virginia over a period of only six weeks, entering at York River as follows: The Gascoigne Galley with 133 slaves, on May 15, 1721; the Prince Eugene (on a second trip) with 103 slaves in June, and the Henrietta with 130 slaves later that month. Platt states that the total number of Malagasy brought into Virginia between 1719 and 1721, comes to 1, 231 when the 340 slaves brought on the Prince Eugene's previous voyage and the 466 brought by the Mercury in 1720 are counted in. (Platt: 1969:567) [/b] freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~malagasy4us/histories.htm |
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Post by jari on Aug 5, 2010 20:27:58 GMT -5
As always fair to point out, no matter how annoying, these borders are rather arbitrary so drawing parallels between then and now would be quite difficult. Well not really you forget the Europeans mainly traded with established kingdoms who's kingdoms had borders etc. In a way you are right but Madagascar is an Island its not hard to not know where they(Malagasy) came from. |
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Post by jari on Aug 5, 2010 20:29:40 GMT -5
An interesting note was brought up on E.S.. Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7% If we compare that to other estimates.. Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8% Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1% Windward Coast (Liberia and Côte d'Ivoire): 1.8% Gold Coast (Ghana and east of Côte d'Ivoire):10.4% Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2% Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6% West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4% More slaves were taken from Madagascar and Mozambique than Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ginea Bassue, Sierra Leone and almost the same for the Senegambia region. This is shocking to me, first because the slave trade is something I have not really researched and also because of the Distance I thought a Few slaves like no more than 1% were from South East Africa..but it seems more were taken from there than places like Sierra Leone?? Interesting I will try to find some info on this. Recently scientist found haplogroup M23 in Madagascar. The only other people who carry this gene are Afro-Americans. Many of the Madagasy who carry this gene live in the jungle which was a refuge for people running away from the slave traders. These Malagasy are called Minkea. The Minkea, are descendants of Madagasy population that fled into the jungles to escape slave traders . During the Indian Ocean and Atlantic slave trades millions of Africans from Mozambique and Madagascar were sold as slaves . Beginning in the middle 1600's as many as 900 slaves were taken from Mozanbique to the US by American slavers every two months. In 1682 the Royal African Company began to take slaves from Mozambique and by 1721 they had landed an estimated 205,000 slaves in the US. We may never know how many slaves were taken from Mozambique--because we have no records of the number of Mozambiqan slaves brought to the US by American slavers. This may explain why it is hard to find mtDNA haplogroup M23 in Mozambique today. Thanks clyde... Here are some pics of Madagascar people... www.jon-atkinson.com/MADAGASCAR.html |
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