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Post by gigantic on Aug 10, 2010 8:45:16 GMT -5
*The artwork used by Clyde Winters, purporting that the original Chinese were "Black" can be explained in the history of the Tang dynasty and East African slaves, and the Arab presence in China*
The Magical Kunlun and "Devil Slaves": Chinese Perceptions of Dark-skinned People and Africa before 1500
by Julie Wilensky
Reference to period Tang (618-907) to the Ming dynasty (1368-1644) "Beginning in the Tang dynasty, Arab traders brought a number of East African slaves to China. From the eighth to the fourteenth centuries; the Arabs controlled this vast slave trade, which stretched not only along the entire coast of East Africa and throughout the Arab world but as far east as China. Black slaves were just one of many commodities in the Arabs' large-scale maritime trade with China, which peaked during the Tang and Song dynasty (960-1275). The Jiu Tang shu (Former Tang history) mentions that the Arabs sent delegates to the Chinese court in 651, marking the first recorded official contact between the Chinese government and the Arab caliphate. By the ninth century, a sizable community of Arabs lived in Guangzhou, and the local residents could have seen African slaves on trading ships and in Arab homes. Some wealthy Chinese people even owned African slaves, whom they used as doorkeepers."Source: Sino-Platonic Papers |
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Post by gigantic on Aug 10, 2010 9:01:56 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Aug 10, 2010 9:55:14 GMT -5
[/img]  [/quote] First off those are not Chinese but Mongolian horsemen and certainly not slaves, China did in fact import slaves form east Africa as well as elsewhere to be gatekeepers and pearl divers and ship's caulkers specialized fields what they were not was plantation slaves as in the west or Iraq,that type of Slavery was confined to the local supply the Chinese themselves or during the Tang dynasty the Chinese also captured people from what is now Korea, slavery was a near universal practice very few people were not engage in it.   Chinese sculpture of an African merchant from Zanzibar.
This piece dates back to China's Tang Dynasty 618 A.D - 907 A.D
Black noble man in 14th century China.
 Early depiction of the giraffe brought to China by African sailors.So a trade in Slaves from Africa as elsewhere was not to be unexpected |
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Post by gigantic on Aug 10, 2010 10:27:30 GMT -5
^First off, no one said those were slaves. Do you see the blown up portion with the dark skin man? That is NOT a Mongolian. He is a muslim that was part of a community, formed during those dynasties in question. Additionally, Clyde claims he is proof that the original Chinese were "Black." Who is to say the Muslims of the Song court did not escort Khan during his hunting expedition?
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Post by anansi on Aug 10, 2010 11:04:38 GMT -5
^First off, no one said those were slaves. Do you see the blown up portion with the dark skin man? That is NOT a Mongolian. He is a muslim that was part of a community, formed during those dynasties in question. Additionally, Clyde claims he is proof that the original Chinese were "Black." Who is to say the Muslims of the Song court did not escort Khan during his hunting expedition?  And accompanied the Mongols with the invasion of Japan also? According to Jordanes who provides the first extant account of Attila's appearance: "He was short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head: his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with gray: and he had a flat nose and a swarthy complexion showing the evidences of his origin..." - Jordanes, Getica
Kinda fit these guys on horseback don't you think? |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 10, 2010 17:49:56 GMT -5
Can you specifically identify these uncited Afrocentric circles please. Here are a couple of examples of paintings of pseudo "Black" Chinese circulating in Afrocentric circles. |
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Post by wysingm on Aug 10, 2010 19:09:12 GMT -5
World Largest Fleet (ancient China) The history of a Chinese vessel that sank in Kenyan waters more than 600 years ago is set to begin with the arrival of Chinese archaeologists. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyx9WeXoCI&feature=player_embedded#at=334 [/youtube] Today, a joint Chinese-Kenyan expedition of archaeologists plans to find and excavate a ship from Zheng Hi’s fleet, which may have sunk during a storm near the Lamu islands in the 15th Century. |
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Post by jari on Aug 10, 2010 19:44:32 GMT -5
*The artwork used by Clyde Winters, purporting that the original Chinese were "Black" can be explained in the history of the Tang dynasty and East African slaves, and the Arab presence in China*
The Magical Kunlun and "Devil Slaves": Chinese Perceptions of Dark-skinned People and Africa before 1500
by Julie Wilensky
Reference to period Tang (618-907) to the Ming dynasty (1368-1644) "Beginning in the Tang dynasty, Arab traders brought a number of East African slaves to China. From the eighth to the fourteenth centuries; the Arabs controlled this vast slave trade, which stretched not only along the entire coast of East Africa and throughout the Arab world but as far east as China. Black slaves were just one of many commodities in the Arabs' large-scale maritime trade with China, which peaked during the Tang and Song dynasty (960-1275). The Jiu Tang shu (Former Tang history) mentions that the Arabs sent delegates to the Chinese court in 651, marking the first recorded official contact between the Chinese government and the Arab caliphate. By the ninth century, a sizable community of Arabs lived in Guangzhou, and the local residents could have seen African slaves on trading ships and in Arab homes. Some wealthy Chinese people even owned African slaves, whom they used as doorkeepers."Source: Sino-Platonic PapersSeems Gigantic has left out some parts of his source, becuase you seem to fail to provide it I will...Too long I advice everyone to read the link... www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp122_chinese_africa.pdf |
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