Arara Sabalu: Campbell-Dunn's linguistics

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This topic was actually broached by Arara Sabalu today at 5:26am in another thread.

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This is slightly off topic, but what about CAMPBELL-DUNN's works being mostly bogus linguistics?

PS: I don't have regular access to Internet right now, please don't expect an answer before a week or so.

Aug 2, 2010 14:13:16 GMT -5 imhotep06 said:

The problem with the above statement in regards to Sumer is that more than one scholar has associated the Sumerian language with Niger-Congo and others to proto-Bantu. The most thorough examination has been done by Dr. GJK Campbell-Dunn in his works: Sumerian Comparative Grammar and Sumerian Comparative Dictionary. Both books is comparing Sumerian with Niger-Congo languages.

Another study worth looking at is: Comparative lexical study of Sumerian and Ntu ("Bantu")
Sumerian, the "Sanscrit" of the African Ntu languages. Published 1935 by W. Kohlhammer. There is also a study in Robin Walker's "When We Ruled" comparing Proto-Bantu and Sumerian.

Sumerian is considered as a language isolate in the middle eastern Semitic languages.

In regards to the ethnicity aspect of the Hebrews, they are exactly who they say they are: a mixed ethnic population who adapted and evolved the Canaanite language. For studies for the linguistic and historical aspects of this discussion you can read A. Joseph Ben-Levi's article The First and Second Intermediate Periods in Kemetic History in Karenga & Carruther's workKemet and the African Worldview. I disagree with him on the Apiru not being the same word as Eber in the Hebrew. The Egyptian gives an indication that they associated similar renderings as the same.

aprw -- an Asiatic people, Apiru [ noun ] D36 - Q3 - G43 - D21 - Z1

apw passing, the stridings [ noun ] D36 - Q3 - G43 - D54 - Z2 (note that the chick sign can also be an /r/)

aprw an Asiatic people, Apiru [ noun ] D36 - Q3 - Z7 - Z4 - D21 - Z1 - T14 - A1 - Z2

aprw an Asiatic people, Apiru [ noun ] J20 - G43 - Z3

All of the renderings of Apiru have the "walking or shepherds" stick which indicate that they do not have a state, that they are simply foreigners. The Egyptians viewed the Apiru as NOMADS, "passers by," who did not have a country, city or state to call their own: otherwise we would see the Niwt sign or the foreign land sign as a determinative.

You can also read Dr. Modupe Oduyoye's work Yoruba Religion: Linguistic Connections in Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian and Semitic languages. Also GJK Campbell-Dunn's Who Were the Minoans: An African Answer. The "Hebrews" are a mixture of Fulani, Kemites from the Nile Delta, Chaldeans and Hurrians who invaded Mesopotamia, Palestine and Syria. They may also be the Aryans who invaded India as well. They are known as your Hyksos of Egypt (Heka Khaswt).

I contend however that the dominant force among the Iber'iym (Hebrews) were infact "white" if we want to use modern terminology. The Song of Solomon makes it clear that the ruling class were not Blacks by this time as the Queen of Ethiopia had to state, "I am Black but comely" and "Look not upon me because I am Black." There is definitely some racism going on at this time. However, a linguistic analysis of many of the stories clearly demonstrate a West African - Saharan affiliation as many of the characters in the old testament are West African deities.

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Graham Dunn
Comparative Linguistics: Indo - European and Niger - Congo

Editorial Reviews
Product Description
RECENT GENETIC RESEARCH AT UNIVERSIDAD COMPLUTENSE, MADRID, HAS FOUND NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR AN ARYAN INVASION OF EUROPE. THIS INVASION IS A MYTH. WE USE MORPHOLOGY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES CAME OUT OF AFRICA. THEY DERIVE FROM AN OFFSHOOT OF THE NIGER-CONGO GROUP. AGGLUTINATION GRADUALLY LEAD TO GRAMMATICAL FUSION, WITH FOSSILISATION AND LOSS OF THE PREFIXES. THE PRIMARY ELEMENTS WERE RELATIVELY INDEPENDENT MONOSYLLABLES, USED AS PREFIXES, ROOTS, INFIXES, SUFFIXES. THE INDO-EUROPEAN "INVADERS" WERE NOT STRANGERS, BUT WERE GENETICALLY RELATED TO THE ORIGINAL BLACK INHABITANTS OF THE MEDITERRANEAN LANDS WHO SPOKE NIGER-CONGO LANGUAGES. GENETICS AND LINGUISTICS NOW LEAD US TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. AFRO-ASIATIC FARMERS, NOT CONQUERING ARYANS, GRADUALLY OVERLAID THESE BLACK ABORIGINAL INHABITANTS, GIVING RISE TO THE OLIVE-SKINNED MEDITERRANEAN RACE. THE VARIOUS ALPHABETS, WE NOW KNOW, DERIVE FROM AN AFRICAN SYLLABARY. THE HISTORY OF THE INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES IS ENSHRINED IN THEIR WRITING SYSTEMS. THE LETTERS WERE ONCE MEANINGFUL AFRICAN SIGNS USED TO CATALOGUE THE REALITY OF EARLY MAN.

About the Author
Graham Campbell-Dunn received his training in Comparative Linguistics at Cambridge under W. Sidney Allen and Robert G. Coleman, where he studied Greek Dialects with John Chadwick and General Linguistics with John Lyons. He has taught Comparative Linguistics at tertiary level and has over 20 years' experience in lecturing on the Classical Latin and Greek languages in the NZ universities. Now retired, he has spent the last nine years researching substrate languages in the Mediterranean and the Niger-Congo languages which are the source of this substrate. He has travelled extensively in the Mediterranean and has done field work on Calabrese, the dialect of southern Italy. He combines Linguistics with an interest in Archaeology and Anthropology, particularly that of Africa. Graham speaks Italian and has a special interest in the work of Italian linguists such as Bonfante, Devoto and Tagliavini. For this book the researches of Russian scholars such as Georgiev, Gamkrelidze and Ivanov have proved essential. But it also owes a great debt to Diedrich Westermann, who wrote in German and whose work on the reconstruction of Western Niger-Congo remains fundamental. The results of his book are in accord with recent findings in Genetics.

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GJK Campbell-Dunn
The African Origins of Classical Civilisation

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This book arose from Graham Campbell-Dunn's research into Minoan Linear A. See his Who Were the Minoans? (2006). The syllabic sign system used on prehistoric Crete, he discovered, was related to the systems of pictographs found by Marçel Griaule in the Sudan, but also to Egyptian Hieroglyphics. Cretan customs, such as bulljumping, turned out also to have African parallels. Bullfighting took the author to Spain, Greece, Rome, and early India. Wherever bullfighting occurred other African practices such as phallic cults, mysterious mounds (sometimes with breasts) and mask festivals were found. The problem regarding the red flesh of Minoan men, but white flesh of their women on the wall paintings was explained by the Bantu practice of whiting females at puberty. Not only the Minoan language but also Basque and Etruscan show basic vocabulary that is Niger-Congo and all have African hand-based numerals: IIII "four" (fingers), = "tens" (two arms). Even Greek, Latin and Sanskrit showed strong African linguistic connections. See the author's Comparative Linguistics: Indo-European and Niger-Congo (2006) for a demonstration. Particularly important was the discovery that prominent placenames in the Aegean and Mediterranean came from Africa. Bari and Como are obvious examples, as are Phaistos and Paestum (African Bai, Vai, Pai). The widespread placename Minoa was evidently called after the Nigerian fertility goddess Minona. The author concluded that King Minos of Crete had been invented by the mythographers. In more remote regions such as Sardinia, the Greek Islands, and Troy vestiges were found of African influence. The conclusion that the Greek and Roman Classics came out of Africa, became incontrovertible. Herodotus proved a valuable source and guide in investigating the preclassical civilisations. A map on the back cover of the book shows the World of Herodotus, and the diverse nations and tribes known to him. This book pa

About the Author
Graham Campbell-Dunn was awarded his MA in Classics with First Class Honours by the University of New Zealand and went to Cambridge on a Postgraduate Scholarship. There he studied under the comparativists WS Allen and RG Coleman, and was privileged to be taught by John Chadwick, who worked on Mycenaean Greek. His teachers also included John Lyons (Linguistics), Frank Stubbings, RM Cook and Hugh Plommer (Archaeology). Returning to New Zealand he taught Classics at University and researched a PhD on Herodotus, the Greek historian and anthropologist. He has a special interest in Italian substrate theory, and has spent his retirement investigating links between Africa and the early Mediterranean. Graham is a follower of the German Africanist D. Westermann.

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Who were the Minoans?: An African Answer


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Click this link to read a review of Who were the Minoans? This book applies archaeology, anthropology, comparative linguistics and genetics to the problem of Minoan origins. The evidence of all these disciplines leads to the same conclusion. The Minoans of ancient Crete were red men, like the Fulani, and lived in elaborate palaces with rain-courts, or impluvia, like the Yoruba. A genetic link between the Greeks on the one hand, and the Fulani and Mossi, has now been established. The Fulani and Yoruba share similar blood groups. The Minoans worshipped the African fertility goddess Minona, from whom they take their name. The Linear A documents from prehistoric Crete are written in an African sign system, and can be read as a Niger-Congo language of the Kwa group. The book includes translations of selected clay tablets and other documents from Haghia Triada, Knossos and other Minoan sites.

About the Author
Graham Campbell-Dunn was awarded his MA in Classics with First Class Honours by the University of New Zealand and went to Cambridge on a Postgraduate Scholarship. There he studied Classical Philology under the comparativists WS Allen and RG Coleman, and was privileged to be taught by John Chadwick who worked on Linear B (Mycenaean Greek). His training also included General Linguistics with John Lyons and Classical Archaeology with RM Cook and Hugh Plommer, the architectural historian. Returning to New Zealand he taught Classics and Ancient Art at university level, including the art of the Minoans, and completed a PhD on Herodotus, the early Greek historian and anthropologist. For the last ten years he has devoted his retirement to researching Niger-Congo linguistics and the art and anthropology of the Niger-Congo speaking peoples. He has a special interest in Comparative Linguistics and its application to African and Mediterranean substrate languages.

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Minoan A was a Mande language. I deciphered this writibg system years ago. See:

www.scribd.com/doc/441165/Minoans2

The Minoans were Garamantes. After the goddess Ker or Car, these people also came to be also known as the Carians. The Carians spoke a Mande languages.



A Pelasgian boat from Thera



These people usually sailed to the Islands in Aegean and the surrounding coast were they established prosperous trading communities.

There is frequent mention of the Garamantes of the Fezzan, in Classical literature of Greece and Rome. The Garamantes were recognized as a Black tribe. They were known to the Greeks and Romans as dark skinned. In Ptolemy (I.8.5.,p.31) a Garamante slave was described as having a body the color of pitch or wholly black.

Graves (1980) and Leo Frobenius linked the Garamante to the ancient empire of Ghana (c.300 BC to A.D. 1100). Graves (1980) claims that the term Garamante is the Greek plural for Garama or Garamas. He said that the present Jarama or Jarma are the descendants of the Garamante; and that the Jarama live near the Niger river.

The Olympian creation myth, as recorded by Pindar in Fragment , and Apollonius Rhodius, makes it clear that the Garamantes early colonized Greece. Their descendants were called Carians. The Carians practiced apiculture. As in Africa the Carians practiced matrilineal descent. According to Herodotus , even up until his time the Carians took the name of their mother.

Many of the Greek myths are historical text which discuss the transition of Greece from an matriarchal society to a patriarchal Aryan society. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyco-Nubians settled around the Black Sea.

The classical Carians and Egyptians were very close. Having originated in the Fertile African Crescent they had similar gods and cultural traditions dating back to the Proto-Saharan period.

The Garamantes founded Attica, where they worked the mines at Laureium. Demeter, the goddess of agriculture and fruitfulness, came from the Fezzan (Libya) by way of Crete. It was Demeter who took poppy seeds and figs to Europe.

Apollonius Rhodius (.iv.1310) tells us that the goddess Athene was born beside Lake Triton in Libya. The goddess Athene, was called Neith by the Egyptians and Nia by the Cretans in Linear A writing. This shows that the Garamantes took this god to Europe in addition to Demeter and Amon (=Ammon ,Amma).

By 3000 BC, the Garamantes has spread their influence to Thrace and early Hellenic Greece. Hesiod, who was a Kadmean (i.e., of Egyptian descent), in Works and Days , said that before the Hellenic invasion the Grecian people lived in peace and tranquility and had matriarchal societies. The name Europe comes from Aerope, the daughter of King Catreus, a Cretan. Thucydides observed that:

"The first person known to us by tradition as having

established a navy is Minos. He made himself master

of what is now called the Hellenic sea, and ruled over

the Cyclades into most of which he sent the first colo-

nies, expelling the Carians and appointing his own sons

as governors; and thus did his best to put down piracy

in these waters, a necessary step to secure the revenues

for his own use".

Thus we find that many Cretans also settled much of mainland southern Europe.

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Come on now, we all know German gut and English gut are really the same (per someone's
idea of a methodology). A gut (English) is gut (German:good) because without a gut where
do we digest our food? Therefore gut is good. Hehehe