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Black modonns of Europe.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGqrcp-NsLM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1XhrZLCNZk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKT0_1Fung
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Anansi
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:24 am Post subject:
African moors
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDXO1zjf8EY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L2GjCnHu9g
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjPfK-Paho8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm3OjfgWqnk
This was posted by Markellion on Youtube.
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Anansi
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject:
The Kingdom Of Kush :actually not bad.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOiAvoqZzks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUvoz_LcxSE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFiaXab0sYQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hPn_V-iDfM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZERgHLbEiI
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject:
THE KING BEFORE PHARAOHS
Learn more about the king who likely united ancient Egypt, organized the world’s earliest phonetic writing system, and inspired the creation of the pyramids.
Mace heads, a stone mounted on a wooden shaft, were an early weapon of war. They were used like a club to strike enemies on the head.
The scorpion mace head was too large to have been used as a weapon, and was clearly reserved for ceremonial purposes.
Archaeologists believe they have found the tomb of the Scorpion King at the ancient burial site of Abydos. He was buried with 700 wine jars, several of which had come from as far away as ancient Palestine.
The Scorpion King may have presided over the birth of phonetic writing earlier than any other civilization in the world—200 years before the first pharaohs.
During the time of the pharaohs, Egyptian beer was a staple. This beer, made from bread, was not like today’s light and refreshing beverage—but a thick, chewy paste.
The Scorpion King earned his name from two symbols shown on the mace head: a scorpion and a rosette.
Along with the narma palette, the scorpion mace head was one of the first objects to provide the earliest images of Egyptian kings.
Hieroglyphic numerals etched inside the scorpion King’s tomb showed writing began in Egypt earlier than previously recognized.
channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/egypt-unwrapped/3913/Videos/06043_00
channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/egypt-unwrapped/3913/Videos/06044_00
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject:
LOST CIVILIZATIONS PRESENTS AFRICA: A HISTORY DENIED PART 1 OF 3
Cloaked in darkness since medieval times, the spectacular ruins of the once dazzling, southern African kingdom of Great Zimbabwe posed a thorny dilemma for white settlers who claimed to have "discovered" the region a mere hundred years before. Refusing to believe the massive, finely hewn walls could be the product of native culture, white "experts" eager to claim the land for Europeans credited the ancient city to everyone from wandering Phoenicians to the biblical Queen of Sheba. In so doing, they began a long insidious European tradition of willful misinterpretation of Africa's past, until, in the ultimate irony, the place where human history began would become a place with no history of its own.
Now, trek inland to the remote site of Great Zimbabwe, a fabulous "lost city," which reached its glory in the 14th century. Then, sift the sands of time to uncover the equally splendid culture of Africa's Swahili Coast. The fabulously wealthy center of the thriving gold and ivory trades until the 16th century, its cities now lie all but forgotten, buried under centuries of indifference. Reclaiming their past from a long tradition of racial prejudice and neglect, the descendants of these lost cultures are only now discovering the extraordinary achievements of Africa's indigenous civilizations.
www.dailymotion.com/video/x1uhp0_lost-civilizations-africa-a-history_travel
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Anansi
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:
An oldie but still a goody where we all sprang from one family really!!
The real Eve:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P04FKo3adw8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-EP9b7GRo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ArWK26GzWE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNXAJR
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD7rR5M0j3A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSXxqBVtxc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeId7bAYxOw
Please leave comments on any or all videos and please check out the rest of the site , don't be afraid to reserect old threads thanks.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: Spritual Science Of The Africans
Here Dr Ashura Kwesi discusses the African origins of Spritual sciences
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxilks2HNQ8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHv2nuga4k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7PadRh_rs
More to come, diffrernt themes.
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Anansi
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:31 am Post subject:
Timbuktu twice the size of London?? The City before Timbuktu twice the size of Timbuktu and rival of any of the city states of Mesopotemia??
going back 500 b.c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9LkpJdll9A
Basil Davidson can't get enough of this guy.
more of West African civilization.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEqqmmY6bLo
MIGHTY MALI
"Mali guards its secrets jealously. There are things which the uninitiated will never know, for the griots, their depositories, will never betray them."- Oral history, recited by Malian djeli Mamadou Kouyate.
Mali emerged against the back-drop of a declining of Ghana under the dynamic leadership of Sundiata of the Keita clan. But the region he took over had a past rich in trade and powerful rulers.
Jenne
There was also the city of Jenne-Jeno (ancient Jenne), which archaeologists have now established was first settled in 200 BC, and only began losing its pre-eminence in the 12th Century. Between whiles, it was a vital crossroads in the north-south trade. Recent excavations reveal high levels of craftsmanship in pottery, iron-work and jewellery making. This suggests the people of Jenne imported iron ore, stone grinders and beads.
Consolidation
Mali Discovers America?
"So Abubakar equipped 200 ships filled with men and the same number equipped with gold, water, and provisions, enough to last them for years?they departed and a long time passed before anyone came back. Then one ship returned and we asked the captain what news they brought.
"He said, 'Yes, Oh Sultan, we travelled for a long time until there appeared in the open sea a river with a powerful current?the other ships went on ahead, but when they reached that place, they did not return and no more was seen of them?As for me, I went about at once and did not enter the river.'
"The Sultan got ready 2,000 ships, 1,000 for himself and the men whom he took with him, and 1,000 for water and provisions. He left me to deputise for him and embarked on the Atlantic Ocean with his men. That was the last we saw of him and all those who were with him.
"And so, I became king in my own right." - Mansa Musa, talking to Syrian scholar Al-Umari.
Sundiata Keita rose to power by defeating the king of the Sosso - Soumaoro (Sumanguru), known as the Sorcerer King, in 1235. He then brought all the Mandinke clans rulers (or Mansas) under his leadership, declaring himself overall Mansa. He took Timbuktu from the Tuareg, transforming it into a substantial city, a focus for trade and scholarship.
A significant portion of the wealth of the Empire derived from the Bure goldfields. The first capital, Niani, was built close to this mining area.
Mali at its largest was 2,000 kilometres wide. It extended from the coast of West Africa, both above the Senegal River and below the Gambia River, taking in old Ghana, and reaching south east to Gao and north east to Tadmekka.
Land
Gold was not its only mainstay. Mali also acquired control over the salt trade. The capital of Niani was situated on the agriculturally rich floodplain of upper Niger, with good grazing land further north. A class of professional traders emerged in Mali. Some were of Mandinka origin, others were Bambara, Soninke and later Dyula. Gold dust and agricultural produce was exported north. In the 14th century, cowrie shells were established as a form of currency for trading and taxation purposes.
Zenith
Mali reached its peak in the 14th century. Three rulers stand out in this period. The first one, Abubakar II, goes down in history as the king who wanted to cross the Atlantic Ocean.
Abubakar II's successor, Mansa Musa (1312-1337) was immortalised in the descriptions of Arab writers, when he made his magnificent pilgrimage to Mecca in 1324.
Listen
Malian praise singer Sadio Diabate, singing about Abubakar II
Mansa Musa's Pilgrimage to Mecca
"It is said that he brought with him 14,000 slave girls for his personal service. The members of his entourage proceeded to buy Turkish and Ethiopia slave girls, singing girls and garments, so that the rate of the gold dinar fell by six dirhams. Having presented his gift he set off with the caravan." - Cairo born historian al-Maqurizi.
Mansa Musa also spent his wealth to more permanent effect. He commissioned the design and construction of a number of stunning buildings, for example, the building of the mosques at Gao and Jenne. At Niani he was responsible for the construction of a fantastic cupola for holding an audience in. Timbuktu became a place of great learning with young men linked to Fez in the north.
The other famous Malian ruler was Mansa Suleiman. Less is known of him. The historian Ibn Khaldun describes the considerable gifts he assembled for a Sultan in the north. But Ibn Battuta criticises his meanness.
On arriving in Mali, Ibn Battuta does not mince his words.
"He is a miserly king, not much giving is to be expected from him. It happened that I stayed this period and did not seen him because of my sickness..."
Finally Mansa Suleiman sends Ibn Battuta a gift, but it is definitely not up to Ibn Battuta's standards.
"Behold - three circular pieces of bread, a piece of beef fried in gharti, and a calabash of sour milk. When I saw them, I laughed and wondered a lot..."
So he complains.
"I stood before the sultan and said to him, 'I have indeed travelled in the lands of the world. I have met their kings. I have been in your country four months and you have given me no hospitality and not given me anything. What shall I say about you before the Sultans?"
And that does the trick. Mansa Suleiman claims that he had not even realised Ibn Battuta was in town and hastily makes amends for the previous omissions in hospitality.
"Then the Sultan ordered a house for me in which I stayed and he fixed an allowance for me?He was gracious to me at my departure, to the extent of giving me one hundred mitqals of gold."
Religion
The court of Mali converted to Islam after Sundiata. As in Ghana, Muslim scribes played an important role in government and administration. But traditional religion persisted. Arab historians make much of the Islamic influence in Mali, whereas oral historians place little emphasis on Islam in their histories.
Gold
The relationship between the Mansas of Mali and the people who worked on the gold fields is worth noting. The rulers received taxes from the miners in the form of gold, but they never exercised direct control over the mining process. At one point, the miners stopped working when the Mansas tried to convert them to Islam.
A historian compares Ancient Mali to Ancient Ghana
"To some aspect they look the same, the gold, the way they made trade. But to the opposite of Ghana, I think Mali was really able to have more territory beyond some of the area Ghana went to, like Taghaza, the salt gulf, that was all part of the empire of Mali.
"So territorial position was one of the greatest differences between Ghana and Mali. And also, the kind of ties Mali was able to make with peoples outside of Africa, is one of the great differences between the two empires?Mali was much much more international than Ghana was." - Tereba Togola, Head of Archaeology at the Institute of Human Sciences, Bamako. He is responsible for all archaeological research in Mali.
Click here to listen
Dr Tereba Togola
Decline of Mali
A combination of weak and ineffective rulers and increasingly aggressive raids by Mossi neighours and Tuareg Berbers gradually reduced the power of Mali. In the east, Gao began its ascendancy while remaining part of the Mali Empire.
In the early 1400's, Tuareg launched a number of successful raids on Timbuktu. They did not disrupt scholastic life or commercial activity, but fatally undermined the government by appropriating taxes for themselves.
Meanwhile Gao had become the capital of the burgeoning Songhay Empire which, by 1500, had totally eclipsed Mali. But the idea of Mali regaining its former splendour and glory, remained strong in the minds of many Mandinka for generations to come.
Salif Keita
One of the most internationally famous Malians today is musician Salif Keita. He is the descendant of Mansa Sundiata, born into a noble but poor family. His decision to become a musician was very much frowned upon by his family, since music was the province of a lower caste, the djelis.
Click here to listen
Salif Keita, singing Tekere, a song about applauding griots, musicians and Malians
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Anansi
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:44 am Post subject:
African Americans retracing their ancestery:
Some intresting results please watch.
fr.truveo.com/african-ancestry-part-1-finding-your-identity/id/2267395046
To savetime and make life easier just click on the slide-at the bottom of the screen for the next video at the end of each segment.
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Anansi
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:26 am Post subject:
Real Nice Video Please watch in High Def, and on full screen:
MYSTRIES OF THE NILE
vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=53174325
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:36 am Post subject:
Anansi wrote:
Here Dr Ashura Kwesi discusses the African origins of Spritual sciences
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxilks2HNQ8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHv2nuga4k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7PadRh_rs
More to come, diffrernt themes.
This is where it gets really *strange*. Somebody please explain??
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:02 am Post subject:
Hey Horus glad you stop by to holla it does get a little lonely over here.
Now for your question.
There is a beleif that much of what we considered to be the exclusive domain of the three branches of the Abrahamic religions really has it's origins amongts the Nile Valley peoples Kemites and kushtites alike,
and that we inherited such concepts in a watered down miss-understude form without acknowladging their origins, and at the sametime bashing the originators as superstitious mombo jumbo or at worst worshippers of the Devil. Dr Kwesi took us to the origin and the originators of such concepts temple by temple and compared them to the later Judo>Christian>Islamic religious concepts: note this does not mean that other original concepts were not interwoven into the fabric of those religions.
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:38 am Post subject:
Some more information on your question:
Taken from KEMET WAY.COM:
Egyptian - (Began 4,000 BCE)
•The Mysteries
•The Sem, or mythical representations
•The Ritual as the book.of resurrection
•The sayings of Iu or Iu-em-hetep
•Huhi the father in heaven as the eternal, a title of Atum-Ra
•Ra, the holy spirit
•Ra the father of Iu the Su, or son of God, with the hawk or dove as the bird of the holy spirit
•Iu or Horus, the manifesting son of God
•The trinity of Atum (or Osiris) the father, Horus (or Iu) the son, and Ra the holy spirit
•Iu-Su or Iusa, the coming son of Iusaas, who was great with Iusa or Iusu
•The ever-coming Messu or Child as Egyptian
•Horus (or Heru), the Lord by name, as a child
•Isis, the virgin mother of Iu, her Su or son
•The .rst Horus as Child of the Virgin, the second as son of Ra, the father
•The first Horus as the founder, the second as fulfiller for the father
•The two mothers of Child-Horus, Isis and Nephthys, who were two sisters
•Meri or Nut, the mother-heaven The outcast great mother with her seven sons
•Isis taken by Horus in adultery with Sut
•Apt, the crib or manger, by name as the birthplace and mother in one
•Seb, the earth-father, as consort to the virgin Isis
•Seb, the foster-father to Child-Horus
Seb, Isis and Horus, the Kamite holy trinity Christian - (Began 200 BCE)
•The miracles.
•The parables.
•The Book of Revelation.
•The sayings of Jesus.
•Ihuh, the father in heaven as the eternal.
•God the Holy Ghost.
•God, the Father of Jesus, with the dove as the bird of the Holy Spirit.
•Jesus the manifesting Son of God.
•The Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
•Jesus.
•The Hebrew Messianic Child.
•Child-Jesus as the Lord by name (Gospels of the Infancy).
•Mary the virgin mother of Jesus.
•Jesus as the Virgin's child, the Christ as son of the father.
•Jesus as the founder, and the Christ as fulfiller for the father.
•The two mothers of Child-Jesus, who , were sisters.
•Mary, as Regina Cceli.
•Mary Magdalene, with her seven devils.
•The woman taken in adultery.
•The manger as cradle of the Child Christ.
•Joseph, the father on earth, as putative husband to the Virgin Mary.
•Joseph, as foster-father to the Child
•Jesus.
•Joseph, Mary and Jesus, a Christian holy trinity.
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject:
Blacks in Palestine/Isreal/Canaan:
Reminds me of what Altakuri said about a Black kingdom in the area and what the ancient Greeks called egypt minor in their myths.
One more thing has anyone seen the art work at the end of the 1st video elsewhere?....if so can you post it here please I have never seen that before.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrEEwKMLdVs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqiTd35mA2A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIXh5hvkCCE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHz7CbOxTV8
This is ^^ intresting the name Kush is now equal N......gr wow
OH and another thing I found intresting is that people keep refering to them as Canaanites are we really looking at the last representives of the original Canaanites?
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:
Interesting
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God probably wishes more people were curious about things, not less. Challenged faith is superior because refinement makes for a deeper understanding of the meanings of things.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:24 am Post subject:
African moors
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDXO1zjf8EY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L2GjCnHu9g
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjPfK-Paho8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm3OjfgWqnk
This was posted by Markellion on Youtube.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject:
The Kingdom Of Kush :actually not bad.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOiAvoqZzks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUvoz_LcxSE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFiaXab0sYQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hPn_V-iDfM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZERgHLbEiI
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject:
THE KING BEFORE PHARAOHS
Learn more about the king who likely united ancient Egypt, organized the world’s earliest phonetic writing system, and inspired the creation of the pyramids.
Mace heads, a stone mounted on a wooden shaft, were an early weapon of war. They were used like a club to strike enemies on the head.
The scorpion mace head was too large to have been used as a weapon, and was clearly reserved for ceremonial purposes.
Archaeologists believe they have found the tomb of the Scorpion King at the ancient burial site of Abydos. He was buried with 700 wine jars, several of which had come from as far away as ancient Palestine.
The Scorpion King may have presided over the birth of phonetic writing earlier than any other civilization in the world—200 years before the first pharaohs.
During the time of the pharaohs, Egyptian beer was a staple. This beer, made from bread, was not like today’s light and refreshing beverage—but a thick, chewy paste.
The Scorpion King earned his name from two symbols shown on the mace head: a scorpion and a rosette.
Along with the narma palette, the scorpion mace head was one of the first objects to provide the earliest images of Egyptian kings.
Hieroglyphic numerals etched inside the scorpion King’s tomb showed writing began in Egypt earlier than previously recognized.
channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/egypt-unwrapped/3913/Videos/06043_00
channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/egypt-unwrapped/3913/Videos/06044_00
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject:
LOST CIVILIZATIONS PRESENTS AFRICA: A HISTORY DENIED PART 1 OF 3
Cloaked in darkness since medieval times, the spectacular ruins of the once dazzling, southern African kingdom of Great Zimbabwe posed a thorny dilemma for white settlers who claimed to have "discovered" the region a mere hundred years before. Refusing to believe the massive, finely hewn walls could be the product of native culture, white "experts" eager to claim the land for Europeans credited the ancient city to everyone from wandering Phoenicians to the biblical Queen of Sheba. In so doing, they began a long insidious European tradition of willful misinterpretation of Africa's past, until, in the ultimate irony, the place where human history began would become a place with no history of its own.
Now, trek inland to the remote site of Great Zimbabwe, a fabulous "lost city," which reached its glory in the 14th century. Then, sift the sands of time to uncover the equally splendid culture of Africa's Swahili Coast. The fabulously wealthy center of the thriving gold and ivory trades until the 16th century, its cities now lie all but forgotten, buried under centuries of indifference. Reclaiming their past from a long tradition of racial prejudice and neglect, the descendants of these lost cultures are only now discovering the extraordinary achievements of Africa's indigenous civilizations.
www.dailymotion.com/video/x1uhp0_lost-civilizations-africa-a-history_travel
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Anansi
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:
An oldie but still a goody where we all sprang from one family really!!
The real Eve:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P04FKo3adw8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-EP9b7GRo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ArWK26GzWE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNXAJR
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD7rR5M0j3A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSXxqBVtxc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeId7bAYxOw
Please leave comments on any or all videos and please check out the rest of the site , don't be afraid to reserect old threads thanks.
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Anansi
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: Spritual Science Of The Africans
Here Dr Ashura Kwesi discusses the African origins of Spritual sciences
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxilks2HNQ8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHv2nuga4k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7PadRh_rs
More to come, diffrernt themes.
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Anansi
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:31 am Post subject:
Timbuktu twice the size of London?? The City before Timbuktu twice the size of Timbuktu and rival of any of the city states of Mesopotemia??
going back 500 b.c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9LkpJdll9A
Basil Davidson can't get enough of this guy.
more of West African civilization.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEqqmmY6bLo
MIGHTY MALI
"Mali guards its secrets jealously. There are things which the uninitiated will never know, for the griots, their depositories, will never betray them."- Oral history, recited by Malian djeli Mamadou Kouyate.
Mali emerged against the back-drop of a declining of Ghana under the dynamic leadership of Sundiata of the Keita clan. But the region he took over had a past rich in trade and powerful rulers.
Jenne
There was also the city of Jenne-Jeno (ancient Jenne), which archaeologists have now established was first settled in 200 BC, and only began losing its pre-eminence in the 12th Century. Between whiles, it was a vital crossroads in the north-south trade. Recent excavations reveal high levels of craftsmanship in pottery, iron-work and jewellery making. This suggests the people of Jenne imported iron ore, stone grinders and beads.
Consolidation
Mali Discovers America?
"So Abubakar equipped 200 ships filled with men and the same number equipped with gold, water, and provisions, enough to last them for years?they departed and a long time passed before anyone came back. Then one ship returned and we asked the captain what news they brought.
"He said, 'Yes, Oh Sultan, we travelled for a long time until there appeared in the open sea a river with a powerful current?the other ships went on ahead, but when they reached that place, they did not return and no more was seen of them?As for me, I went about at once and did not enter the river.'
"The Sultan got ready 2,000 ships, 1,000 for himself and the men whom he took with him, and 1,000 for water and provisions. He left me to deputise for him and embarked on the Atlantic Ocean with his men. That was the last we saw of him and all those who were with him.
"And so, I became king in my own right." - Mansa Musa, talking to Syrian scholar Al-Umari.
Sundiata Keita rose to power by defeating the king of the Sosso - Soumaoro (Sumanguru), known as the Sorcerer King, in 1235. He then brought all the Mandinke clans rulers (or Mansas) under his leadership, declaring himself overall Mansa. He took Timbuktu from the Tuareg, transforming it into a substantial city, a focus for trade and scholarship.
A significant portion of the wealth of the Empire derived from the Bure goldfields. The first capital, Niani, was built close to this mining area.
Mali at its largest was 2,000 kilometres wide. It extended from the coast of West Africa, both above the Senegal River and below the Gambia River, taking in old Ghana, and reaching south east to Gao and north east to Tadmekka.
Land
Gold was not its only mainstay. Mali also acquired control over the salt trade. The capital of Niani was situated on the agriculturally rich floodplain of upper Niger, with good grazing land further north. A class of professional traders emerged in Mali. Some were of Mandinka origin, others were Bambara, Soninke and later Dyula. Gold dust and agricultural produce was exported north. In the 14th century, cowrie shells were established as a form of currency for trading and taxation purposes.
Zenith
Mali reached its peak in the 14th century. Three rulers stand out in this period. The first one, Abubakar II, goes down in history as the king who wanted to cross the Atlantic Ocean.
Abubakar II's successor, Mansa Musa (1312-1337) was immortalised in the descriptions of Arab writers, when he made his magnificent pilgrimage to Mecca in 1324.
Listen
Malian praise singer Sadio Diabate, singing about Abubakar II
Mansa Musa's Pilgrimage to Mecca
"It is said that he brought with him 14,000 slave girls for his personal service. The members of his entourage proceeded to buy Turkish and Ethiopia slave girls, singing girls and garments, so that the rate of the gold dinar fell by six dirhams. Having presented his gift he set off with the caravan." - Cairo born historian al-Maqurizi.
Mansa Musa also spent his wealth to more permanent effect. He commissioned the design and construction of a number of stunning buildings, for example, the building of the mosques at Gao and Jenne. At Niani he was responsible for the construction of a fantastic cupola for holding an audience in. Timbuktu became a place of great learning with young men linked to Fez in the north.
The other famous Malian ruler was Mansa Suleiman. Less is known of him. The historian Ibn Khaldun describes the considerable gifts he assembled for a Sultan in the north. But Ibn Battuta criticises his meanness.
On arriving in Mali, Ibn Battuta does not mince his words.
"He is a miserly king, not much giving is to be expected from him. It happened that I stayed this period and did not seen him because of my sickness..."
Finally Mansa Suleiman sends Ibn Battuta a gift, but it is definitely not up to Ibn Battuta's standards.
"Behold - three circular pieces of bread, a piece of beef fried in gharti, and a calabash of sour milk. When I saw them, I laughed and wondered a lot..."
So he complains.
"I stood before the sultan and said to him, 'I have indeed travelled in the lands of the world. I have met their kings. I have been in your country four months and you have given me no hospitality and not given me anything. What shall I say about you before the Sultans?"
And that does the trick. Mansa Suleiman claims that he had not even realised Ibn Battuta was in town and hastily makes amends for the previous omissions in hospitality.
"Then the Sultan ordered a house for me in which I stayed and he fixed an allowance for me?He was gracious to me at my departure, to the extent of giving me one hundred mitqals of gold."
Religion
The court of Mali converted to Islam after Sundiata. As in Ghana, Muslim scribes played an important role in government and administration. But traditional religion persisted. Arab historians make much of the Islamic influence in Mali, whereas oral historians place little emphasis on Islam in their histories.
Gold
The relationship between the Mansas of Mali and the people who worked on the gold fields is worth noting. The rulers received taxes from the miners in the form of gold, but they never exercised direct control over the mining process. At one point, the miners stopped working when the Mansas tried to convert them to Islam.
A historian compares Ancient Mali to Ancient Ghana
"To some aspect they look the same, the gold, the way they made trade. But to the opposite of Ghana, I think Mali was really able to have more territory beyond some of the area Ghana went to, like Taghaza, the salt gulf, that was all part of the empire of Mali.
"So territorial position was one of the greatest differences between Ghana and Mali. And also, the kind of ties Mali was able to make with peoples outside of Africa, is one of the great differences between the two empires?Mali was much much more international than Ghana was." - Tereba Togola, Head of Archaeology at the Institute of Human Sciences, Bamako. He is responsible for all archaeological research in Mali.
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Dr Tereba Togola
Decline of Mali
A combination of weak and ineffective rulers and increasingly aggressive raids by Mossi neighours and Tuareg Berbers gradually reduced the power of Mali. In the east, Gao began its ascendancy while remaining part of the Mali Empire.
In the early 1400's, Tuareg launched a number of successful raids on Timbuktu. They did not disrupt scholastic life or commercial activity, but fatally undermined the government by appropriating taxes for themselves.
Meanwhile Gao had become the capital of the burgeoning Songhay Empire which, by 1500, had totally eclipsed Mali. But the idea of Mali regaining its former splendour and glory, remained strong in the minds of many Mandinka for generations to come.
Salif Keita
One of the most internationally famous Malians today is musician Salif Keita. He is the descendant of Mansa Sundiata, born into a noble but poor family. His decision to become a musician was very much frowned upon by his family, since music was the province of a lower caste, the djelis.
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Salif Keita, singing Tekere, a song about applauding griots, musicians and Malians
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Anansi
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:44 am Post subject:
African Americans retracing their ancestery:
Some intresting results please watch.
fr.truveo.com/african-ancestry-part-1-finding-your-identity/id/2267395046
To savetime and make life easier just click on the slide-at the bottom of the screen for the next video at the end of each segment.
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Anansi
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:26 am Post subject:
Real Nice Video Please watch in High Def, and on full screen:
MYSTRIES OF THE NILE
vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=53174325
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younghorus
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:36 am Post subject:
Anansi wrote:
Here Dr Ashura Kwesi discusses the African origins of Spritual sciences
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxilks2HNQ8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHv2nuga4k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7PadRh_rs
More to come, diffrernt themes.
This is where it gets really *strange*. Somebody please explain??
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:02 am Post subject:
Hey Horus glad you stop by to holla it does get a little lonely over here.
Now for your question.
There is a beleif that much of what we considered to be the exclusive domain of the three branches of the Abrahamic religions really has it's origins amongts the Nile Valley peoples Kemites and kushtites alike,
and that we inherited such concepts in a watered down miss-understude form without acknowladging their origins, and at the sametime bashing the originators as superstitious mombo jumbo or at worst worshippers of the Devil. Dr Kwesi took us to the origin and the originators of such concepts temple by temple and compared them to the later Judo>Christian>Islamic religious concepts: note this does not mean that other original concepts were not interwoven into the fabric of those religions.
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:38 am Post subject:
Some more information on your question:
Taken from KEMET WAY.COM:
Egyptian - (Began 4,000 BCE)
•The Mysteries
•The Sem, or mythical representations
•The Ritual as the book.of resurrection
•The sayings of Iu or Iu-em-hetep
•Huhi the father in heaven as the eternal, a title of Atum-Ra
•Ra, the holy spirit
•Ra the father of Iu the Su, or son of God, with the hawk or dove as the bird of the holy spirit
•Iu or Horus, the manifesting son of God
•The trinity of Atum (or Osiris) the father, Horus (or Iu) the son, and Ra the holy spirit
•Iu-Su or Iusa, the coming son of Iusaas, who was great with Iusa or Iusu
•The ever-coming Messu or Child as Egyptian
•Horus (or Heru), the Lord by name, as a child
•Isis, the virgin mother of Iu, her Su or son
•The .rst Horus as Child of the Virgin, the second as son of Ra, the father
•The first Horus as the founder, the second as fulfiller for the father
•The two mothers of Child-Horus, Isis and Nephthys, who were two sisters
•Meri or Nut, the mother-heaven The outcast great mother with her seven sons
•Isis taken by Horus in adultery with Sut
•Apt, the crib or manger, by name as the birthplace and mother in one
•Seb, the earth-father, as consort to the virgin Isis
•Seb, the foster-father to Child-Horus
Seb, Isis and Horus, the Kamite holy trinity Christian - (Began 200 BCE)
•The miracles.
•The parables.
•The Book of Revelation.
•The sayings of Jesus.
•Ihuh, the father in heaven as the eternal.
•God the Holy Ghost.
•God, the Father of Jesus, with the dove as the bird of the Holy Spirit.
•Jesus the manifesting Son of God.
•The Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
•Jesus.
•The Hebrew Messianic Child.
•Child-Jesus as the Lord by name (Gospels of the Infancy).
•Mary the virgin mother of Jesus.
•Jesus as the Virgin's child, the Christ as son of the father.
•Jesus as the founder, and the Christ as fulfiller for the father.
•The two mothers of Child-Jesus, who , were sisters.
•Mary, as Regina Cceli.
•Mary Magdalene, with her seven devils.
•The woman taken in adultery.
•The manger as cradle of the Child Christ.
•Joseph, the father on earth, as putative husband to the Virgin Mary.
•Joseph, as foster-father to the Child
•Jesus.
•Joseph, Mary and Jesus, a Christian holy trinity.
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Anansi
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject:
Blacks in Palestine/Isreal/Canaan:
Reminds me of what Altakuri said about a Black kingdom in the area and what the ancient Greeks called egypt minor in their myths.
One more thing has anyone seen the art work at the end of the 1st video elsewhere?....if so can you post it here please I have never seen that before.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrEEwKMLdVs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqiTd35mA2A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIXh5hvkCCE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHz7CbOxTV8
This is ^^ intresting the name Kush is now equal N......gr wow
OH and another thing I found intresting is that people keep refering to them as Canaanites are we really looking at the last representives of the original Canaanites?
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Element
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:
Interesting
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