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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 8:30:22 GMT -5
You do not know what is being taught at Chinese universities or is being discussed amongst Chinese scholars.. Are you out of your ever lovin' mind 'potnah'? I associate with foreign Chinese students here at the college. They are very much indoctrinated with the Chinese curricula. Of all people, they would be the ones to know. I have presented this innovative Afrocentric stuff to them just to see their reaction, as well as, to put them on notice of what is being disseminated in African American circles. They are not at all pleased. You see, Chinese are aware (and have been for some yrs now) of African Americans and their social issues and gripes; claiming to be AE. Chinese could care less but now they do, thanks to people like you. By my informing them, and specifically naming names like, Dr. Winters, they now view Afrocentrists (unfortunately this resentment for, has spilled outside Afrocentrism and on to mainstream Blacks) as a pirana people, who prey on the historical accomplishments of others. So you see, if you run into a Chinese who acts hostile towards you for no apparent reason, just know my informing non-whites of your activity partly contributed to this. My advice to you, stop buying buy chicken wings fried rice from them. It never had any SIGNIFICANT population. This is a Clyde Winters innovation and weak polemic. Showing an image of a token few "Blacks" does NOT constitute significance. Actually, it constitutes insignificance. Where is this significant population today? Oh let me guess, the same thing that happened to all them other places where it is claimed Blacks were significant in population and were their antecedents; they just miraculously DISAPPEARED. Dude, come on. If "Black" aint a continental African, then what the hell is it?! Stop playing these semantic games! Who are you kidding?! "Black" is the trojan horse Afrocentrists use to anchor themselves on to non-white historical and cultural shores. Nah dude, what you met were dark skinned japs. Don't play yourself. Those are not "Black" people. The'yre dark skinned Japanese, no biggie. Dude, those pix derive from the trans-Saharan slave period. Give me a damn break! At the time, many muslims travelled to China to sell Negro slaves. How do you know, that "Black" man is not a muslim? |
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Post by sttigray on Apr 2, 2010 9:59:12 GMT -5
When it comes to AE there is no proof that AE was not a black African civilization, but when it comes to China, S. America and Native America, I feel that Afrocentrism maligns itself by grabbing for too much, while I agree that all humanity at one point was Black at one time, it is still a very poor move. One thing that is not realized is that we also have a PR campaign to wage, in view of Egypt we have won that war , only the most rabid racist refutes AE's origins, but we endanger even that when we grasp in a careless manner. I also think that yes we had a presence in those areas, but I have not seen enough proof to claim the lauds of their civilizations
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Post by sttigray on Apr 2, 2010 10:01:35 GMT -5
You do not know what is being taught at Chinese universities or is being discussed amongst Chinese scholars.. Are you out of your ever lovin' mind 'potnah'? I associate with foreign Chinese students here at the college. They are very much indoctrinated with the Chinese curricula. Of all people, they would be the ones to know. I have presented this innovative Afrocentric stuff to them just to see their reaction, as well as, to put them on notice of what is being disseminated in African American circles. They are not at all pleased. You see, Chinese are aware (and have been for some yrs now) of African Americans and their social issues and gripes; claiming to be AE. Chinese could care less but now they do, thanks to people like you. By my informing them, and specifically naming names like, Dr. Winters, they now view Afrocentrists (unfortunately this resentment for, has spilled outside Afrocentrism and on to mainstream Blacks) as a pirana people, who prey on the historical accomplishments of others. So you see, if you run into a Chinese who acts hostile towards you for no apparent reason, just know my informing non-whites of your activity partly contributed to this. My advice to you, stop buying buy chicken wings fried rice from them. It never had any SIGNIFICANT population. This is a Clyde Winters innovation and weak polemic. Showing an image of a token few "Blacks" does NOT constitute significance. Actually, it constitutes insignificance. Where is this significant population today? Oh let me guess, the same thing that happened to all them other places where it is claimed Blacks were significant in population and were their antecedents; they just miraculously DISAPPEARED. Dude, come on. If "Black" aint a continental African, then what the hell is it?! Stop playing these semantic games! Who are you kidding?! "Black" is the trojan horse Afrocentrists use to anchor themselves on to non-white historical and cultural shores. Nah dude, what you met were dark skinned japs. Don't play yourself. Those are not "Black" people. The'yre dark skinned Japanese, no biggie. Dude, those pix derive from the trans-Saharan slave period. Give me a damn break! At the time, many muslims travelled to China to sell Negro slaves. How do you know, that "Black" man is not a muslim? LOL the atypical inferiority complex. Sad |
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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 10:01:57 GMT -5
^^Amen (excepting the claim on AE), amen!
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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 10:05:55 GMT -5
You are correct - "Atypical" (LOL)! LOL the atypical inferiority complex. Sad |
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Post by sttigray on Apr 2, 2010 20:03:20 GMT -5
By no means do I agree with "Truth" for in his very nature, there is the singular allusion to the degradation of Blacks, while my partial agreement maybe happenstance, his very nature causes him to err in most academic matters. His sense of inferiority propels him forward in all manner of errors. I would challenge him to post any proof that Ancient Egypt was anything other than what it was.....An African civilization.
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Post by anansi on Apr 2, 2010 23:23:07 GMT -5
You do not know what is being taught at Chinese universities or is being discussed amongst Chinese scholars.. Are you out of your ever lovin' mind 'potnah'? I associate with foreign Chinese students here at the college. They are very much indoctrinated with the Chinese curricula. Of all people, they would be the ones to know. I have presented this innovative Afrocentric stuff to them just to see their reaction, as well as, to put them on notice of what is being disseminated in African American circles. They are not at all pleased. You see, Chinese are aware (and have been for some yrs now) of African Americans and their social issues and gripes; claiming to be AE. Chinese could care less but now they do, thanks to people like you. By my informing them, and specifically naming names like, Dr. Winters, they now view Afrocentrists (unfortunately this resentment for, has spilled outside Afrocentrism and on to mainstream Blacks) as a pirana people, who prey on the historical accomplishments of others. So you see, if you run into a Chinese who acts hostile towards you for no apparent reason, just know my informing non-whites of your activity partly contributed to this. My advice to you, stop buying buy chicken wings fried rice from them. It never had any SIGNIFICANT population. This is a Clyde Winters innovation and weak polemic. Showing an image of a token few "Blacks" does NOT constitute significance. Actually, it constitutes insignificance. Where is this significant population today? Oh let me guess, the same thing that happened to all them other places where it is claimed Blacks were significant in population and were their antecedents; they just miraculously DISAPPEARED. Dude, come on. If "Black" aint a continental African, then what the hell is it?! Stop playing these semantic games! Who are you kidding?! "Black" is the trojan horse Afrocentrists use to anchor themselves on to non-white historical and cultural shores. Nah dude, what you met were dark skinned japs. Don't play yourself. Those are not "Black" people. The'yre dark skinned Japanese, no biggie. Dude, those pix derive from the trans-Saharan slave period. Give me a damn break! At the time, many muslims travelled to China to sell Negro slaves. How do you know, that "Black" man is not a muslim? Ok!! first I did not say a darn thing about dark-skinned Japanese although Okinawans are on average slightly darker than main-land Japanese ...second if you don't mind please refrain from using the word Japs!! it's like saying the" N-word"..just a friendly suggestion But the folks I met ranged from Malaysia,Philippines..as a matter of fact I went to the area around mt Pinatubo after the volcanic eruption, to provide assistance I have been to Sri-lanka back in the dayz I have hosted New-Guineans and Salomon Islanders..and others too numerous to count as a lot of International students attend Kyudai University near by. And laugh out loud the black Mongolians were reported as early as the very late Roman times by Jordanes..but I have already provided you with that infromation over at E/S so go back and goole his quotes yourself concerning Atilia the Hun. And again the fact that they lives out into the Pacific in the Millions.and are the oldest population in Asia and they didn't magically disappeared they still lives on main-land Asia...travel some. |
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Post by truthcentric on Apr 5, 2010 21:29:19 GMT -5
While I will admit to being interested in black Africa and its contributions to human history, I don't consider myself an Afrocentrist---in fact, what does that word even mean? People use it to malign any opinion that black Africans ever settled anywhere outside of the sub-Saharan region after the initial "out of Africa" dispersion.
Come to think of it, if people can accept black Africans migrating out of sub-Saharan Africa to populate the rest of the world during the Pleistocene, why do they have a problem with similar migrations occurring later in history? Did the Sahara become a barrier only in the last 10,000 years, in spite of the Holocene's wetter climate?
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Post by clydewin98 on Apr 12, 2010 12:56:17 GMT -5
it is pretty simple. Afrocentrism is an extremist fringe. It is not supported by Academia. No reputable domestic or any foreign institution teaches that nonsense. Not even the universities found in sub sahara, will you find this ideology being vigorously promoted, like you find here in Afro-centric circles. The ideology is unique to African American radicals here in the state. It is based pseudo science and history and is reactionary. There is legitimate beef w/Afrocentrism. W.E.B. DuBois, J.A. Rogers, Carter G. Woodson, claimed that Africans founded the Greecian civilization and the Olmec civilization in the Americas. Are you calling these researchers extremists? . |
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Post by clydewin98 on Apr 12, 2010 13:28:08 GMT -5
You do not know what is being taught at Chinese universities or is being discussed amongst Chinese scholars.. It never had any SIGNIFICANT population. This is a Clyde Winters innovation and weak polemic. Showing an image of a token few "Blacks" does NOT constitute significance. Actually, it constitutes insignificance. Where is this significant population today? Oh let me guess, the same thing that happened to all them other places where it is claimed Blacks were significant in population and were their antecedents; they just miraculously DISAPPEARED. Dude, come on. These blacks were the dominant group in South China. Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China (1986) wrote that:" by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively…."(p.64). By the Upper Pleistocene the Negroid type was typified by the Liu-chiang skulls from Yunnan (Chang, 1986, p.69). Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang (Ch'ing-lien-kang) and Mazhiabang (Ma chia-pang) phases ( see: K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977) p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North in addition to South China. The Dawenkou culture predates the Lung-shan culture which is associated with the Xia civilization. The ancient Chinese were not slaves they founded civilization in China. Most of the Black Chinese were pushed off the mainland or forced into Southeast Asia where they founded civilizations there. Other Blacks called Qiang were sacrificed as slaves at popular Chinese festivals. Blacks founded the first civilization: Xia in China |
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Post by djehuti on Apr 24, 2010 6:20:11 GMT -5
it is pretty simple. Afrocentrism is an extremist fringe. It is not supported by Academia. No reputable domestic or any foreign institution teaches that nonsense. Not even the universities found in sub sahara, will you find this ideology being vigorously promoted, like you find here in Afro-centric circles. The ideology is unique to African American radicals here in the state. It is based pseudo science and history and is reactionary. There is legitimate beef w/Afrocentrism. ;D YOU are par-exemplar of the type of folk that Khafre was referring to! Your whole entire premise is nothing more than a straw-man. Afrocentrism in it of itself is nothing more than the teaching of history and culture from an African perspective and nothing more! Yes there is a problem of fringe psychos who use pseudo-scholarship but the same can be said of any discipline not just Afrocentrism. You realize that the vast majority of Afrocentrism is NOT pseudo-scholarship but real authentic scholarship that is supported by mainstream science and history. Or where have you been these past years on Egyptsearch?? And what the hell are we to make of Eurocentrism?? Are you telling me there is nothing "fringe" or pseudo-scholarly about Eurocentrism?! What are we to make up of countless studies attempting to prove a "caucasoid" origin not only for Egyptians but other African populaces down to Rwanda and Tanzania as well as populaces in India, Southeast Asia, and the Pacific??! By the way, there did exist black peoples in China as well as in other parts of Eurasia. Blacks were indeed the aboriginal peoples to many parts of the globe especially in the tropics! Nobody here is saying that they are Africans just because they are black! If you ask me, you're just sore from all the whippings you've been getting by all the so-called 'Afrocentric' scholars here. So take your stupid strawmen and stick them for safe keeping, okay.  |
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Post by imhotep06 on Apr 24, 2010 8:15:14 GMT -5
It's upsetting that many people have an opinion of Afrocentrism and have never studied what the term means. It is an approach to interpreting African history and culture from the mindset, the perspective and cultural lens of the African people themselves: not by outsiders.
That's it, plain and simple. History is history. Botony is botony. Physics is physics. All of these disciplines and more is utilized in Africana studies. An Africentric researcher seeks to understand WHY a culture produces what they produce and seeks to find out from the inside, rather that observers, taking "notes" and providing one's own interpretation, say of initiation rites for example.
It seeks to understand Africana phenomena from its own languages which codify a people's worldview. This is the ONLY sound method of interpreting any people regardless if they are African. It is a sound methodology, an approach to phenomena which produces sound results: information Eurocentrists could have NEVER revealed because they lack the insight and trust of the people.
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Post by djehuti on Apr 24, 2010 13:17:32 GMT -5
^ Indeed. 'Afrocentrism' has become a catchphrase for pseudo-scholarship and false history and thus is a slander for anyone promoting an African based agenda in history no matter the veracity or accurate science and scholarship involved. Yet notice the double-standard with Eurocentrism. Anyone focused on Europe and European based cultures-- which means MOST Western scholars-- are basically Eurocentric, but there is never doubt that their scholarship is sound or that its inaccurate. Shit , why even Eurocentric scholarship doesn't even get labeled as Eurocentric. Thus, if anyone states that Egypt was an African civilization formed by indigenous i.e. black African people, that person is Afrocentric, yet if someone claims Greece was a European civilization formed by white Europeans, he is not called a Eurocentric!! What's worse is that it is Eurocentrics who have had the longest running tradition of pseudo-scholarship, and anyone familiar with Western anthropological works from the 1800s to early 1900s knows there was a trend known as the "caucasoid craze" where peoples from Tanzania to the Pacific were labeled as "caucasian" because of certain features!! This trend has resurfaced today only in the guise of genetics, when scholars either blatantly or covertly try to associate many ancient or prehistoric genetic lineages even in Africa with so-called "caucasoids"!! King Scorpion shows us this tactic of discredit and slander in a recent thread in the Original Egyptsearch forum here. |
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Post by djehuti on Apr 24, 2010 13:31:46 GMT -5
While I will admit to being interested in black Africa and its contributions to human history, I don't consider myself an Afrocentrist---in fact, what does that word even mean? People use it to malign any opinion that black Africans ever settled anywhere outside of the sub-Saharan region after the initial "out of Africa" dispersion. Come to think of it, if people can accept black Africans migrating out of sub-Saharan Africa to populate the rest of the world during the Pleistocene, why do they have a problem with similar migrations occurring later in history? Did the Sahara become a barrier only in the last 10,000 years, in spite of the Holocene's wetter climate? I feel ya! I can't count the number of times I have been called 'Afrocentric' or even 'black' just because I support and assert the FACT of Egypt's black African identity! While my original area of interest is Asian history and cultures, I do have interest in Africa as well precisely because of its under-representation and/or distortion by Western historians! So I really don't consider myself 'Afrocentric' any more than I am 'Orientalist' (Asiocentric). I also have interest in European cultures and Native American cultures as well! We must remember that labels are used to 'box' people in! And I refuse to be 'boxed' in by racist idiots who refuse to accept reality because they are boxed in by their own bias! |
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Post by egyptianplanet on Apr 24, 2010 14:53:20 GMT -5
What is Black? There is no such thing as Black. It's a modern concept used to institutionalize racism.
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