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Post by anansi on Aug 8, 2010 7:40:38 GMT -5
Here is the source of those wonderful Carthaginian signet rings www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/gems/scarab/scarab37.htmThere are alot more the source was given to us by Al-Takruri I suggest bookmarking it for future reference. A wealth of information is there for example you can really get the feel for how Kemitocentric the Phoenicians/Carthaginians truly were  God Bess Gibraltar 22, from Gorham's Cave. AJBA 2 (1972) 135, fig. 3 (Culican); Lopez de la Orden, no. 5. BH.  Ibiza no. 51 (Barcelona 9386). BL;EXnb. Horus with atef crown; flower behind.  www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/Gems/Scarabs/Images/Robs%20Images%2014/06.01m.jpg www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/Gems/Scarabs/Images/Robs%20Images%2014/06.04m.jpg Boston 27.712. BL. Facing head of Hathor with disc and uraei crown and ornate pectoral; flower at one side  Ibiza no. 5 (Madrid 36975). BL;EXCR;PB. Figure with raised hands before Osiris; short pillar between; disc-and-crescent above. Forgive me but lotta cool stuff..  These images are not so easy to find on the web lets make use of them lets send them viral for too long these images remained unknown to most, they give a more balanced picture as to the so-called Mediterranean cultures especially Carthaginian and Phoenician both culturally and biologically. I implore those of you who are into making youtube videos make use of this source as a lot of it will caught most folks off guard. |
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Post by egyptianplanet on Aug 8, 2010 8:35:16 GMT -5
Kemitocentric? Bro, the Phoenicians/Carthaginians were merchants to the Egyptians. The pharaohs of Egypt hired Phoenicians to explore and trade for them and did the same with Carthaginians given their extensive commercial port compared to Egypt which was lacking.
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Post by anansi on Aug 8, 2010 8:49:17 GMT -5
Kemitocentric? Bro, the Phoenicians/Carthaginians were merchants to the Egyptians. The pharaohs of Egypt hired Phoenicians to explore and trade for them and did the same with Carthaginians given their extensive commercial port compared to Egypt which was lacking. Well that's what makes them Kemitocentric, however it is not clear how much dealings the Kemities had with the Carthaginians, the Phoenicians yes they were under the beck and call of the Kemites,but their sister colony the Carthaginians very little information on them by the Kemites. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 8, 2010 12:11:08 GMT -5
Where are any records of Egyptian contact with Carthage before the Late Period?
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Post by egyptianplanet on Aug 8, 2010 14:44:23 GMT -5
Where are any records of Egyptian contact with Carthage before the Late Period? Do you realize Carthage wasn't even created until the late Egyptian periods? And proof is simply coins found in Egypt that looked to be from various parts of the world. In some of the Egyptian pharaohs tobacco was found and said to have been brought to the Egyptians via Carthaginian ships. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 8, 2010 19:23:46 GMT -5
OK. To be precise I meant Greco-Roman era. I can't find a word for Carthage in the AEL lexicon nor any documents preceding Egypt's conquest and rule by foreigners. If you have that kind of primary documentation I will very much thank you for it. I owned an old volume by Heeren titled Historical researches into the politics, intercourse, and trade of the Carthaginians, Ethiopians, and Egyptians and for the life of me can't recall entries on trade between the two. Notwithstanding Carthage preserved a close
correspondence with her parent state, and notwithstanding
the intercourse which she maintained
with Greece, with Egypt—especially in
the time of the Ptolemies,—and with Cyrene,
she seems never to have had much share in the
commerce of the eastern part of the Mediterranean
: the competition here was perhaps too
gi'eat, or perhaps she had not a sufficient number
of colonies in this quarter ; though her trade
with the parent state, so long as that maintained
its splendour, could not have been inconsiderable.
To counterbalance this, Carthage coveted the
exclusive possession of the commerce of the
western Mediterranean ;
A. H. L. Heeren
Historical Researches into the politics, intercourse, and trade
of the Carthaginians, Ethiopians and Egyptians.
Oxford: D. A. Talboys, 1838
pp 159-160
Of course a lot of info came to light between Heeren's time and ours. I'd much appreciate any available updated references you can cite. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 8, 2010 23:54:40 GMT -5
Kemitocentric? Bro, the Phoenicians/Carthaginians were merchants to the Egyptians. The pharaohs of Egypt hired Phoenicians to explore and trade for them and did the same with Carthaginians given their extensive commercial port compared to Egypt which was lacking. Well that's what makes them Kemitocentric, however it is not clear how much dealings the Kemities had with the Carthaginians, the Phoenicians yes they were under the beck and call of the Kemites,but their sister colony the Carthaginians very little information on them by the Kemites. I have no idea how much direct contact they had with Egypt, but seeing as how their parents did, they would have absorbed a lot of Kemetic influences that way. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 16:33:46 GMT -5
is this supposed to be evidence the carthage and phoenicians were black? the site shows other coins without "negro head" as it call it
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 13, 2013 17:46:05 GMT -5
Where did anyone say the Carthagenians were black or the Phoenecians for that matter? The fact of the matter is Carthage had its black presence and population.
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Post by anansi on Oct 13, 2013 18:50:45 GMT -5
Where did anyone say the Carthagenians were black or the Phoenecians for that matter? The fact of the matter is Carthage had its black presence and population. Alot of "Black" presence so much so that if you go by some Roman writers said at the time you would think they were mostly so, Ethiopian is a catch all phrase to mean Black folks in general. Btw the above is just to add to Jeri's info in response to Azur. I might add there is a hand full of picts of thinned featured presumably lite,skinned folks with hair less than woolly that people like to show case as the authentic Carthaginians,these pics dominate the net at the expense of broad featured woolly haired or dread locked folks presumably dark-skinned who they try to explain away. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 18:58:05 GMT -5
Where did anyone say the Carthagenians were black or the Phoenecians for that matter? The fact of the matter is Carthage had its black presence and population. yes it will have black presence but the original thread post denies that phoenicians and carthaginians were of mediterranean look when they would have be tunisian berbers for most part with a little phoenicians and mix of them |
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Post by anansi on Oct 13, 2013 19:08:50 GMT -5
Where did anyone say the Carthagenians were black or the Phoenecians for that matter? The fact of the matter is Carthage had its black presence and population. yes it will have black presence but the original thread post denies that phoenicians and carthaginians were of mediterranean look when they would have be tunisian berbers for most part with a little phoenicians and mix of them Where in this thread is the denial of whatever look you think is fitting for a Phoenician or Carthaginian..the mere fact of me introducing these images caused you to imagine things never said,however the Mediterranean is a geographical area there is no one look there are Black Tunisians also who lived there from the dawn of time. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 19:11:37 GMT -5
Where did anyone say the Carthagenians were black or the Phoenecians for that matter? The fact of the matter is Carthage had its black presence and population. yes it will have black presence but the original thread post denies that phoenicians and carthaginians were of mediterranean look when they would have be tunisian berbers for most part with a little phoenicians and mix of them the hanno navigator went all the way to cameroon i believe  here is picture of carthage mummy reconstructed |
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 19:17:53 GMT -5
yes it will have black presence but the original thread post denies that phoenicians and carthaginians were of mediterranean look when they would have be tunisian berbers for most part with a little phoenicians and mix of them Where in this thread is the denial of whatever look you think is fitting for a Phoenician or Carthaginian..the mere fact of me introducing these images caused you to imagine things never said,however the Mediterranean is a geographical area there is no one look there are Black Tunisians also who lived there from the dawn of time. "Forgive me but lotta cool stuff.. These images are not so easy to find on the web lets make use of them lets send them viral for too long these images remained unknown to most, they give a more balanced picture as to the so-called Mediterranean cultures especially Carthaginian and Phoenician both culturally and biologically. I implore those of you who are into making youtube videos make use of this source as a lot of it will caught most folks off guard. Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/461/source-carthaginian-signet-rings?page=1&scrollTo=7796#ixzz2heOohjm0" here is you in the original forum post so no mediterranean look but mediterranean biologic? and what black tunisians are be living in coast since dawn of times? |
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 13, 2013 19:37:00 GMT -5
Brada is not denying the Carthagenians had Med. Types what he's saying is that the images give a more balanced view. The Carthagenians had native Blacks, deal with it.
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