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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 19:43:52 GMT -5
Brada is not denying the Carthagenians had Med. Types what he's saying is that the images give a more balanced view. The Carthagenians had native Blacks, deal with it. possible but there is better evidence than the coin yah? they trade with many people they go as far south as cameroon so they will have many variety coins, the quote of sidonian mother and barbarian father is better evidence of blacks in carthage than this ?
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 13, 2013 19:53:58 GMT -5
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 20:21:44 GMT -5
here are some more carthage stuff mosiac tunisian sarcophagus of sidon and carthage punic statue in the ibiza pre roman north africa coin rome era statue tunisia here is a reconstruction of a mummy from the byrsa ruins
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Oct 14, 2013 2:25:10 GMT -5
You know what your problem is? You have a very big stick stuck up your ass. Brother, do yourself and all of us a favor and take the stick out of your ass. First of all, this thread had nothing to do with the physical features of the Carthaginians or the Phoenicians, who were both the same people because Carthage was a Phonician colony. The point of the thread was to show how much Egyptian culture influenced Phoenician culture. Dude! It's a fact! Egypt was the dominant cultural power in the region in much the same way that America is in the world today. Therefore, when you look at Phoenician artifacts, there is a very clear and strong Egyptian influence to be seen. If you remove that stick and actually read the first post, you will see exactly what is being said and shown. All the artifacts presented were Phoenician and they show a very distinct Egyptian influence. Even the pictures you post show influences of Egyptian sarcophogi for crying out loud!
As for physical diversity.... Well this post had nothing to do with physical diversity.... but since you want to go there, let's go there. North African were not living under rocks for god's sake. It was a very cosmopolitan region that attracted people from all over the world. If ypu would dare to pick up a history book ..... and read it, you just might learn something. Believe me, it doesn't hurt. In fact, it feels kind of nice! North Africa was always a place where people of various African types could be found. And once Greece, Phoenicia and Rome started founding cities, those people could be found there too. Here's just a simple fact of life. Big trading cities attract people looking for economic opportunity. It was true then and is still true now. Grow up and get a clue why don't ya!
You are more than welcome to come here, share, ask questions. But please, enough of the paranoid racist attitude. This isn't some terrible place full of big bad negros out to get you. Take an enema and relax dude!
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 17:53:38 GMT -5
You know what your problem is? You have a very big stick stuck up your ass. Brother, do yourself and all of us a favor and take the stick out of your ass. First of all, this thread had nothing to do with the physical features of the Carthaginians or the Phoenicians, who were both the same people because Carthage was a Phonician colony. The point of the thread was to show how much Egyptian culture influenced Phoenician culture. Dude! It's a fact! Egypt was the dominant cultural power in the region in much the same way that America is in the world today. Therefore, when you look at Phoenician artifacts, there is a very clear and strong Egyptian influence to be seen. If you remove that stick and actually read the first post, you will see exactly what is being said and shown. All the artifacts presented were Phoenician and they show a very distinct Egyptian influence. Even the pictures you post show influences of Egyptian sarcophogi for crying out loud! As for physical diversity.... Well this post had nothing to do with physical diversity.... but since you want to go there, let's go there. North African were not living under rocks for god's sake. It was a very cosmopolitan region that attracted people from all over the world. If ypu would dare to pick up a history book ..... and read it, you just might learn something. Believe me, it doesn't hurt. In fact, it feels kind of nice! North Africa was always a place where people of various African types could be found. And once Greece, Phoenicia and Rome started founding cities, those people could be found there too. Here's just a simple fact of life. Big trading cities attract people looking for economic opportunity. It was true then and is still true now. Grow up and get a clue why don't ya! You are more than welcome to come here, share, ask questions. But please, enough of the paranoid racist attitude. This isn't some terrible place full of big bad negros out to get you. Take an enema and relax dude! i never said it was of physical features? these are just more stuff of carthage and phoenicia as this is carthage and phoenicia thread yah? egypt culture phoenicia the sarcophagus look more like the egypt but carthage ones look very different and from the site of i got it from they notice this contrast too as the carthage art was on more accurate realistic portrait the egypt art portray people as perfection and the same if you want to see the similar between amazigh mythology and their influence on rome and egypt and greek gods there is one of the god Amon of sun who is represent with sun and horns the 2 plume of libyan in egypt art is of their chiefs who had the plumes as power symbol "Populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were diverse.[citation needed] As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans: "the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists: everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance." Modern evidence shows a similar diversity among present North Africans. Moreover, this diversity of phenotypes and peoples was probably due to in situ differentiation, not foreign influxes. Foreign influxes are thought to have had an impact on population make-up, but did not replace the indigenous Berber population." this is quote of diversity in the carthage on the wikipedia page the moors
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 19:47:24 GMT -5
Btw the Sarcophagus shows heavy Greek influence of a later period not to mention the Greek colony in Libya Cyrene: Sanctuary of Apollo ancient Greek colony in Libya, founded c. 631 bc by a group of emigrants from the island of Thera in the Aegean. global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/148662/CyreneAnd Amun was a God of the Nile and the southern people after all the land of the gods is to the South of Kemet,and the dwelling place of Amun was in Kush.
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 19:56:04 GMT -5
Btw the Sarcophagus shows heavy Greek influence of a later period not to mention the Greek colony in Libya Cyrene: Sanctuary of Apollo ancient Greek colony in Libya, founded c. 631 bc by a group of emigrants from the island of Thera in the Aegean. global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/148662/Cyrene the phoenicians were hellenized were they?
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 20:22:03 GMT -5
Yes at some point that's why the sarcophagus you posted is Greek in character and the numerous coins floating around were done in Greek fashion,btw this was not unique to Libya as the same happened in Greek colonies in India and Kemet. Image of the Buddha done in Greek style made to look like a GreekSerapis was an ancient Greek/Egyptian synthesis of the gods Osiris and Apis created during the Tolemaic empire. Though the gods used to created the synthesis where Egyptian deities, the statues of Serapis were Greek in appearance, modeled after Zeus. The above is no indication of what the local native population looked like at the time.
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 20:56:09 GMT -5
Btw the Sarcophagus shows heavy Greek influence of a later period not to mention the Greek colony in Libya Cyrene: Sanctuary of Apollo ancient Greek colony in Libya, founded c. 631 bc by a group of emigrants from the island of Thera in the Aegean. global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/148662/CyreneAnd Amun was a God of the Nile and the southern people after all the land of the gods is to the South of Kemet,and the dwelling place of Amun was in Kush. the amon was most likely berber origin as he was worship from siwa to canary island
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 21:45:35 GMT -5
See the above that's how widely connected the cultural connections showing the distribution of pottery. It is possible that Amun had antecedence in the wet phase Sahara the ancestors of people who make-up part of the population of the Sahara called Berbers certainly shared cultural relations with the Nile Valley folks as they dispersed to that area,however you cannot make Amun Berber specific as other Africans worshiped him also along with other Kemetian deities and again the pic in other thread is the home of the God Amun in Kush,that is why the Kushite rule over Kemet was legitimate. These are the ws scepter they ranged from the Sahara to Ethiopia and Somalia and as far south as the Great lakes regions of central Africa. This is what I am trying to tell you there was a major dispersion from the Sahara to all points in Africa carrying the same basic culture from about 6000, B.C
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 21:48:35 GMT -5
See the above that's how widely connected the cultural connections showing the distribution of pottery. It is possible that Amun had antecedence in the wet phase Sahara the ancestors of people who make-up part of the population of the Sahara called Berbers certainly shared cultural relations with the Nile Valley folks as they dispersed to that area,however you cannot make Amun Berber specific as other Africans worshiped him also along with other Kemetian deities and again the pic in other thread is the home of the God Amun in Kush,that is why the Kushite rule over Kemet was legitimate. These are the ws scepter they ranged from the Sahara to Ethiopia and Somalia and as far south as the Great lakes regions of central Africa. This is what I am trying to tell you there was a major dispersion from the Sahara to all points in Africa carrying the same basic culture from about 6000, B.C yes i had read it on the thing of this too that it could be of origin from sahara during no desert, and it spread across with the different people who found different cultures the oldest depiction of bull horn god is in the sahara i believe
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 21:59:31 GMT -5
you can edit your response my link was a bit messy sorry about that. anyway we are drifting away form the O.P if needs be will create another thread on this topic.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Oct 14, 2013 23:13:49 GMT -5
You know what your problem is? You have a very big stick stuck up your . Brother, do yourself and all of us a favor and take the stick out of your . First of all, this thread had nothing to do with the physical features of the Carthaginians or the Phoenicians, who were both the same people because Carthage was a Phonician colony. The point of the thread was to show how much Egyptian culture influenced Phoenician culture. Dude! It's a fact! Egypt was the dominant cultural power in the region in much the same way that America is in the world today. Therefore, when you look at Phoenician artifacts, there is a very clear and strong Egyptian influence to be seen. If you remove that stick and actually read the first post, you will see exactly what is being said and shown. All the artifacts presented were Phoenician and they show a very distinct Egyptian influence. Even the pictures you post show influences of Egyptian sarcophogi for crying out loud! As for physical diversity.... Well this post had nothing to do with physical diversity.... but since you want to go there, let's go there. North African were not living under rocks for god's sake. It was a very cosmopolitan region that attracted people from all over the world. If ypu would dare to pick up a history book ..... and read it, you just might learn something. Believe me, it doesn't hurt. In fact, it feels kind of nice! North Africa was always a place where people of various African types could be found. And once Greece, Phoenicia and Rome started founding cities, those people could be found there too. Here's just a simple fact of life. Big trading cities attract people looking for economic opportunity. It was true then and is still true now. Grow up and get a clue why don't ya! You are more than welcome to come here, share, ask questions. But please, enough of the paranoid racist attitude. This isn't some terrible place full of big bad negros out to get you. Take an enema and relax dude! i never said it was of physical features? So I guess you weren't the person who said: "is this supposed to be evidence the carthage and phoenicians were black? the site shows other coins without "negro head" as it call it " Well, whatever. I won't make a big deal about it. The most important thing I want you to realize is that this is a different community. Don't judge us by the other sites you've visited in the past. You are welcome here and as long as you respect us, no one here will disrespect you. And if someone tries, we have moderators who will make sure that no one abuses you. They'll even make sure that I don't go too far even if you are being an.... well, whatever... Just keep in mind that when you come here, you are a brother, not an outsider. Treat us that way and we will treat you the same. Holy ish! I think I'm growing up in my old age. How the hell did that happen?!
these are just more stuff of carthage and phoenicia as this is carthage and phoenicia thread yah? egypt culture phoenicia the sarcophagus look more like the egypt but carthage ones look very different and from the site of i got it from they notice this contrast too as the carthage art was on more accurate realistic portrait the egypt art portray people as perfection and the same They were inspired by Egyptian culture. They were not immitations. Greek culture was very much influenced by Egyptian art. This is a known fact. You can see it easier in Greek sculpture and artwork from the Archaic period. However, once the ideas reached Greece, they evolved. Egyptian sculptures were not made as art for art's sake but to be used as spiritual tools. That is why they always depicted the kings etc in a state of physical perfection. Even the poses had spiritual meaning. If you look, you will see that they usually show the person with one foot forward. This was not by accident, but had a spiritual significance that would create the desired reality of perfection in the next world. Greeks on the other hand had a very different spiritual expression, and so, after a while, they began experimenting with different techniques that reflected their cuktural world view.if you want to see the similar between amazigh mythology and their influence on rome and egypt and greek gods there is one of the god Amon of sun who is represent with sun and horns the 2 plume of libyan in egypt art is of their chiefs who had the plumes as power symbol As Anansi pointed out, Amun was not a specifically Berber deity. His origins lay in the Saharan culture that at one time stretched from the Nile to the Atlantic. At the time that the Sahara was green, the Nile Valley had a very small population. The majority of settlement sights were in the Sahara. It was only when it began to dry up that there began to be a heavier concentration of settlements along the Nile. As people migrated to different areas, they took aspects of this Saharan culture with them. As you will see if you watch the video I gave you, such things as mumyfication actually originated in the Sahara hundreds of years before anyone was doing it in Egypt. This is why if you look at certain cultures in West Africa, Egypt, Sudan, East Africa and North African cultures, you see a lot of similarities. They all share a common Saharan ancestry."Populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were diverse.[citation needed] As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans: "the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists: everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance." Modern evidence shows a similar diversity among present North Africans. Moreover, this diversity of phenotypes and peoples was probably due to in situ differentiation, not foreign influxes. Foreign influxes are thought to have had an impact on population make-up, but did not replace the indigenous Berber population." this is quote of diversity in the carthage on the wikipedia page the moors And this is exactly the point I was trying to make in other posts to you. There has been migration to North Africa. But the numbers of these immigrant settlers was never large enough to replace the original people there. This is why I said that when you look at North African cultures, you are looking at something that is native, not Roman, or Greek or Phoenician, not even Arab, even though all these cultures brought something. They only added some ingredients to the mix.
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