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Post by nebsen on Jan 19, 2012 17:43:04 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHYbsXt05kI've never seen a video's quit like this one. The tribe is in Papua New Guinea which I've had a fascination with for many years( Past Life ?) This was taken it says in 1977 which is plausible; for at first I thought it might be a hoax. But the more I viewed it, the more apparent that it was indeed real. They are really in a way stone Age peoples who have never encountered the outside world, least a white person. It reminds me of how the first encounter might have played out in Africa & other parts of the world with Europeans. Fear, than curiosity, than an openness to another human being who is different . I still feel, that their is a connection with the people of Papua New Guinea with Africa ! Check out the first Papua man who is wearing cowry shells ! 
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Post by anansi on Jan 20, 2012 3:10:29 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHYbsXt05kI've never seen a video's quit like this one. The tribe is in Papua New Guinea which I've had a fascination with for many years( Past Life ?) This was taken it says in 1977 which is plausible; for at first I thought it might be a hoax. But the more I viewed it, the more apparent that it was indeed real. They are really in a way stone Age peoples who have never encountered the outside world, least a white person. It reminds me of how the first encounter might have played out in Africa & other parts of the world with Europeans. Fear, than curiosity, than an openness to another human being who is different . I still feel, that their is a connection with the people of Papua New Guinea with Africa ! Check out the first Papua man who is wearing cowry shells ! Well yes that's what was behind the dumb barter trade you leave your goods at a certain place then retire in the distance then they would come up and leave payment and retire at a distance if payment was insufficient then the products would not be touched until the amount was deemed sufficient then both parties retire in the opposite directions,but this was mainly for simple societies mind you, more complex societies had bureaucracies which every visitor had to learn to navigate,and in some cases those societies were well a where of the world beyond their own,having sent their own explorers to places like Europe.,there were examples of this given over at E/S but I can't remember the title thread. |
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Post by nebsen on Jan 20, 2012 4:27:21 GMT -5
It would be great if you could find the title to the tread.
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Post by anansi on Jan 21, 2012 5:10:57 GMT -5
It would be great if you could find the title to the tread. Trans-Saharan Trade and the West African Discovery of the Mediterranean World" by Pekka Masonen www.smi.uib.no/paj/Masonen.html quote: The situation was perhaps similar to that in the early 19th century, when European explorers, who had penetrated the African interior in order to unveil her secrets, were amazed at how well the West Africans knew what was going on in the outside world. When Mungo Park arrived in Segu on the Niger in July 1796, being the first European in this city, he was told that the British and French were fighting in the Mediterranean. The news probably concerned the battles that took place after the treaty of Basle which was made in April 1795, when Park was in his way to Gambia. In 1824, Hugh Clapperton visited Kano, being again the first European in this city, and he was surprised by Muhammad Bello, the ruler of Sokoto caliphate, who asked him detailed questions concerning the British policy in India and the religious situation in Europe. In early 1871, Gustav Nachtigal, the famous German traveller who had left Tripoli in 1869 in order to explore Central Africa, was told in Bornu that a war had broke out between franse and nimse, meaning Frenchmen and Germans. Considering that the Franco-Prussian war began in July 1870, the news had reached Bornu very quickly.Perhaps news of the great events in the medieval Mediterranean, like the fall of Acre in 1291 or the Turkish conquest of Constantinople in 1453, were heard in the capital of Mali as quickly. However, there are only few mentions in the contemporary Arabic sources concerning the transmission of news across the Sahara. We know, for example, that Mansa Musa of Mali sent a delagation to congratulate the Marinid Sultan Abu 'l-Hasan for the conquest of Tlemcen. Since Tlemcen had fallen to Marinids in April 1337, the news most probably arrived in Mali with the traders who had left Morocco in autumn, which was the usual season of departure for the caravans to the south. The Malian delegation was sent to Fez probably in the following summer, when the caravans returned to the north. Similarly, another Malian delegation was sent to congratulate Sultan Abu 'l-Hasan for the conquest of Constantine in 1349. The prompt action on part of the Malian rulers proves that they knew well the political geography of Northern Africa, being fully aware of the consequenses of the Marinid expansion to central Maghrib....
Similarly, it was another channel for West Africans to the outside world: in 1594 a Portuguese navigator reported that he had in Senegal met many blacks who were not only capable of speaking French but have even visited France. In was only during the age of imperialism that the encounter of West Africans with other civilisations turned definitely from controlled relationship to collision. www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002530Thanks to Jeri And I am sure you have already referenced this link egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=152A man who was later to become a holy man in India called Bava Gor started his exploration and trade business from Kano Northern Nigeria,so you see Africans themselves were doing globe trotting and exploration of their own. |
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Post by nebsen on Jan 21, 2012 18:15:35 GMT -5
Thanks Anansi !
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Post by sundiata on Jan 24, 2012 15:24:42 GMT -5
They are really in a way stone Age peoples who have never encountered the outside world, least a white person. It reminds me of how the first encounter might have played out in Africa & other parts of the world with Europeans. Fear, than curiosity, than an openness to another human being who is different . We know about the first encounters between Europeans and Africans and they were nothing like that. First of all, Africans weren't living according to stone age practices and were aware of a wider world out there. Indeed, when the Portuguese first invaded the Gambia, the Africans from Niumi united and wiped them out, forcing later voyagers to establish treaties first before they entered uncharted territory. This is what prevented Europeans from entering beyond the coast before the days of Livingston, etc (that and disease).. |
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Post by anansi on Jan 24, 2012 23:10:03 GMT -5
They are really in a way stone Age peoples who have never encountered the outside world, least a white person. It reminds me of how the first encounter might have played out in Africa & other parts of the world with Europeans. Fear, than curiosity, than an openness to another human being who is different . We know about the first encounters between Europeans and Africans and they were nothing like that. First of all, Africans weren't living according to stone age practices and were aware of a wider world out there. Indeed, when the Portuguese first invaded the Gambia, the Africans from Niumi united and wiped them out, forcing later voyagers to establish treaties first before they entered uncharted territory. This is what prevented Europeans from entering beyond the coast before the days of Livingston, etc (that and disease).. Very true,like I said one needs to navigate their bureaucracies or face their armies. |
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