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Post by wisdomisawesome23 on Apr 23, 2012 14:18:28 GMT -5
I ran across a very interesting article concerning the thought processes of famous masons such as Albert Pike which examined his ideas from a modern point of view, as in a point of view updated with relevant research of African civilizations. Feel free to check this out. It turns out even Freemasonry, a craft that largely helped Eurocentric viewpoints of world civilizations gain prominence for so long, is finally beginning to lose its Eurocentric ways. Take note of the quote by the author of the article, Mason Russell R. Boedeker, 32º K.C.C.H., : "We will start with Pike’s understanding of Egypt of having essentially a monotheistic religion with its source from the original concept of god as given to man. Pike states “Athom, or Athom-Re, was the chief of the oldest supreme god of upper Egypt…the same as the OM or AUM of the Hindus…The being that was, and is, and is to come, the great god, the great omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent one, the greatest in the universe, the Lord”. Pike understood the teachings of Egypt to be traceable back to the origins of the original truth, to the teachings of the Asian Aryans (p. 373). From this Pike had a basis of using Egypt as a source for original Masonic thought. Modern scholarship would now make obsolete these views of Pike. Africa, rather than Asia, appears to be the source of much of ancient Egypt’s religious concepts. Regarding Pikes view of Egypt as having essentially a monotheistic believe system he has some basis. Certainly there were times during which ancient Egypt explicitly practiced monotheism, such as during the reign of Akhenaten." Rather than holding on the false White/Eurasian/Aryan origin myth, the author practically admits that Egypt was indeed African in origin, meaning that Freemasonry is pretty much African in origin, also meaning that the founding fathers of this country, the USA, spent most of their lives studying the ancient genius of Black Africans. I would say that this is significant to say the least. The link can be found below: www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/albert_pike.html |
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Post by anansi on Apr 23, 2012 22:44:18 GMT -5
I ran across a very interesting article concerning the thought processes of famous masons such as Albert Pike which examined his ideas from a modern point of view, as in a point of view updated with relevant research of African civilizations. Feel free to check this out. It turns out even Freemasonry, a craft that largely helped Eurocentric viewpoints of world civilizations gain prominence for so long, is finally beginning to lose its Eurocentric ways. Take note of the quote by the author of the article, Mason Russell R. Boedeker, 32º K.C.C.H., : "We will start with Pike’s understanding of Egypt of having essentially a monotheistic religion with its source from the original concept of god as given to man. Pike states “Athom, or Athom-Re, was the chief of the oldest supreme god of upper Egypt…the same as the OM or AUM of the Hindus…The being that was, and is, and is to come, the great god, the great omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent one, the greatest in the universe, the Lord”. Pike understood the teachings of Egypt to be traceable back to the origins of the original truth, to the teachings of the Asian Aryans (p. 373). From this Pike had a basis of using Egypt as a source for original Masonic thought. Modern scholarship would now make obsolete these views of Pike. Africa, rather than Asia, appears to be the source of much of ancient Egypt’s religious concepts. Regarding Pikes view of Egypt as having essentially a monotheistic believe system he has some basis. Certainly there were times during which ancient Egypt explicitly practiced monotheism, such as during the reign of Akhenaten." Rather than holding on the false White/Eurasian/Aryan origin myth, the author practically admits that Egypt was indeed African in origin, meaning that Freemasonry is pretty much African in origin, also meaning that the founding fathers of this country, the USA, spent most of their lives studying the ancient genius of Black Africans. I would say that this is significant to say the least. The link can be found below: www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/albert_pike.htmlYet Pike himself was a supreme racist,and a suspected founder of the Klan, suspect because the organization disputes this, here are two links with opposing views on the matter. freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.htmlfreemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk.html |
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Post by mendeman on May 21, 2012 13:22:32 GMT -5
My brothers,
Let me explain a few things to you.
Freemasonry is African, PERIOD! Do not let any Freemason tell you differently. In West Africa each kingdom has secret societies.
Now before I go on let me say. Freemasonry is VERY old and people no longer remember its origin. So that is part of the problem. However, if you are knowledgeable about Africa, it is very clear where it comes from. Look up Porro, Ogboni, Komo, Bundu and Sande. These are just a FEW of the secret societies in Africa. They all share the same base as Freemasonry. On one level it teaches men and women (in the case of the female secret societies) how to integrate into that particular kingdom, for which the secret society belongs. It is a rite of passage where boys are taught what is expected of them as good men for that particular society/kingdom. Some will advance in those societies, where in they will then be taught the esoteric sciences, which deal with metaphysics, cosmogony, cosmology, astrology etc etc.
These societies are no different than the mystery systems that were present in Egypt. We know such things are African because you do not find such systems outside of Africa. Now, I am not saying you are going to become porro and see men wearing masonic garb. However when you strip away the outward expression and you look at the fundamental teaching and nature, you will see that these are all the same thing. The only question is, how did it get to Europe?
It either got to Europe through Egypt via the Greeks and then the Romans, which I kind of doubt. Only because once Europe became christian, they seemed to abolish any of the pre-christian systems. The other route is, Africans brought it there during the times of the Moors (this is the theory I personally favor). So that would put the systems introduction into Europe around 700 A.D. or so.
To further backup my theory, it is just like Binary which was introduced into Europe in that 700 A.D. to 1700 A.D. time frame. We know Binary has been used in Africa for thousands of Years. African religions (and the esoteric portion of the Secret Societies) use it in divination and it is also used in board games like Warri/Owari/Mankala.
This is why I laugh when I hear black people in the west shunning Freemasonry. How can you shun something that your fathers created? Freemasonry doesn't teach racism nor does it teach to keep the black man down. It is a system just like the ones I mentioned above. Any of the weirdo stuff people talk about in relation to freemasonry is just internet psychobabble.
Anyway, hope you guys research it. Also as for Pike and the like, these guys were Freemasons yes, but freemasonry is not governed by one person, nor does Pike speak for all Freemasons. He had opinions that a Freemason can choose to agree or not agree with. Not agreeing with Pike doesn't negate one's freemasonry. Freemasonry gives a lot of leeway in some situations for interpretation. Freemasonry doesn't have a "pope" so to speak so don't get caught up in what some of those old guys did or said, they did it of their own free will, independent of Freemasonry.
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Post by nebsen on May 21, 2012 16:41:26 GMT -5
Mendeman, I somewhat agree with you on the roots o Freemasonry has it's origins in Africa & is not a Jewish invention as some will have you believe . But like most things that start out in Africa, in it's pure form, ends up being corrupted in the hands of Europeans !  |
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Post by mendeman on May 22, 2012 7:30:33 GMT -5
^^
corrupted in what way? The system has outward expressions which are unique to western life and mentality, as it should be. however the fundamental/underlying nature of the system is as it always has been. It is no different than the secret societies in W. Africa. They vary among themselves, given culture etc. example, you are not going to see the same exact system among the Dogon as among the Bambara as Among the Mende as among the temne etc. Ogboni, Poro, Komo, Bundu, Sande etc. these are vastly different in their outward expressions and these are wholey African. However when you get past the outward expressions and look for the inner meaning, it is the same. The same is true for Freemasonry and for Sufism. However, the fundamental teachings/sciences are there. The thing that is good with freemasonry is, it can over come cultural/religious/ethnic ideologies. I want to stress again, do not confuse freemasonry with the opinions or actions of a few Freemasons, this is not a reflection of the actual teachings of the craft.
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Post by nebsen on May 22, 2012 15:32:28 GMT -5
Mendeman, i do understand Freemasons adaptability that is not what I'm speaking of.The secret societies that you speak of concerning Africa is also connected to family, clan, also to ethnic group & therefor doe's not have the mutability as Freemasonry . I don't know where you are from, or at ?, but I remember when Freemasonry( Lodges ) was very much apart of the black experience ( Chicago) as I was growing up in the 50's. I found out later that I had family members who were Masons at their funerals when they had separate rites given in special space & building given by their Mason brothers . One, my great uncles, I found out was a very High degree Mason & much loved & respected by his brothers & many people of all colors . He was a very humble man who was loving, & kind ,to ALL ! When I say corrupted by the 60's the true inner spiritual meaning of the rites was being lost & only the outer trappings was left. Which was replaced by as secret clubs of privilege & up wards mobility in a "good old boys" net work'
The real inner teachings gave way to a very materialistic understanding of what Freemasonry was intended for; for the inner spiritual , moral & ethical precepts faded out of sight. This is what I mean by corruption ! I'm sure their were many who fought the "good fight" to preserve Freemasonry's true intent, even today, but they are few.
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Post by mendeman on May 22, 2012 23:21:31 GMT -5
My family is from West Africa originally (sierra leone). I am a freemason and I do get what you are saying. I do agree, the meaning has been lost, but it can be found for those willing to search for it.
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Post by nebsen on May 23, 2012 2:50:02 GMT -5
Mendeman, I had the good fortune of studying with an African American metaphysician, Dr. A Ligon out of Los Angles some years ago; who created a study program called" Black Gnostic Studies" in which teachings about the mysteries systems of Africa, with emphasis on the mysteries schools of ancient( Kemet )Egypt, & Freemasonry was the bedrock. Dr Ligon was a master teacher, who I believe, altho he never said it, was a Freemason of a high degree. I along with others learned much from this brilliant man who is now with the ancestors !
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Post by mendeman on May 23, 2012 7:15:30 GMT -5
Mendeman, I had the good fortune of studying with an African American metaphysician, Dr. A Ligon out of Los Angles some years ago; who created a study program called" Black Gnostic Studies" in which teachings about the mysteries systems of Africa, with emphasis on the mysteries schools of ancient( Kemet )Egypt, & Freemasonry was the bedrock. Dr Ligon was a master teacher, who I believe, altho he never said it, was a Freemason of a high degree. I along with others learned much from this brilliant man who is now with the ancestors ! Did he write any books you could suggest? |
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Post by nebsen on May 23, 2012 15:47:09 GMT -5
slick.org/deathwatch/mailarchive/msg00824.html Dr. Ligon did not write any book(s) that I know of, but he & his wife owned the oldest black bookstore in the LA area & the US. He did compile our lessons every month for i have a ringed folder which is very thick with the lessons that he wrote for our studies from the early 80's. This link will give you some what a idea of the man Dr. A Ligon. PS He did have a list of books that was mandatory for us as students that we had to read.
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Post by nebsen on May 23, 2012 16:12:44 GMT -5
www.cgu.edu/pages/7609.asp here is another link I found on line. It just amazes me how many people Dr. Ligon touched. this article by this brother ( T.Hansan Johnson)really gives a very in-depth look at Dr. Ligon spiritual teachings enjoy ! 
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Post by nebsen on May 26, 2012 16:45:18 GMT -5
This little video gives, i believe is a pretty good description of what I learned" TRUE" Masonry is; & how to live it,esp. from my great uncle & Dr. Ligon .
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Post by mendeman on Oct 25, 2012 10:22:26 GMT -5
^^
Nebsen
great video! Yes, I think that was made by grand lodge of PA.
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