A 5000BC Black European – from La Brana -Slave?

[djoser-xyyman]

[ The position of La Brana individuals in the 1000 Genomes Project data and the 1KGPomnichip PCAs suggests that the uniform Mesolithic substrate could be related to modern Northern European populations but may represent a gene pool that is no longer present in contemporary Southern European populations. In the latter PCA, where the origin of each Iberian sample is known, it is possible to see that the Mesolithic specimens are NOT related to modern Basques, contrary to what has been previously suggested in some recent studies [39] ]


XYYMAN COMMENT:
What is clear also is that the researchers are withholding information. But to their credit they admitted he was black. That took courage. But to pacify the Europhiles they “threw them a bone”. Saying he “may” have blue eyes. The Eurocentrics took it and ran with it. Mastubating their delusional psyche. There is a reason why the researchers are not sure about blue eyes and but is confident on black skin pigmentation. ie the genetic data. The TWO comtemporary DNA regions that determine light/blue eyes OPPOSE each other. For La Brana Man, one marker carry the “ancestral” and the other the “derived” nucleotide. Therefore inconclusive for blue eye. If both carried derived then they can assuredly state he had blue eye, that is if the effect is additive as stated by Shriver et al. If the effect is additive at best he had light brown eyes and not blue. If one is dominant over the other then either blue or brown. As of now they are not sure on blue eyes. But pretty sure on black skin. In fact his skin pigmentation profile is although black but NOT like Yurobans. It is more like Melanese/Australians who have the highest Melanin Index (MI) in the world. This make me think the early, yDNA-C, OOA population were really dark. They were not suited for the Northern European or Asian climate. That may explain why East Asian depigmentation went a different route ie ASIP etc and not SLC45A2. The later waves of OOA seems better suited for northern Europe. Notice the Yuroban pigmentation profile is better suited for EITHER environment.

[djoser-xyyman]

The more I read the more this becomes easier to understand. Furthemore the inconsistencies in the studies is becoming clearer. Is it data manipulation?

eg for the Herc2 gene. ALL humans have the Herc2 gene. There difference is the polymorphisms(SNP) on the genes. Some researchers use different SNP as a refrence point on a gene.

eg Herc2 - rs12913832 and rs1129038

point? - when reviewing these studies make note on which SNP of Herc2 they are referencing!! They need to standardize.


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Eye colour and SNPs in Danes

J.D. Andersen P. Johansen H.S. Mogensen C. Børsting N. Morling


Abstrakty:

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Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) affect the pigmentation of the eyes, skin and hair in humans. Four SNPs located in the pigmentation genes HERC2 (rs12913832), OCA2 (rs1800407), SLC45A2 (rs16891982) and IRF4 (rs12203592) known to be important for eye colour were investigated in a Danish population sample. The rs12913832 homozygote genotype GG alone the highest likelihood ratio (LR)=29.4 for blue versus brown eye colour and, therefore, seems to be a major determinant of eye colour in Danes. Furthermore, it was shown, that the highest LR=37.5 for dark versus light eye colour was found when the genotypes rs12913832 AG and rs1800407 GG were observed. rs16891982 and rs12203592 had no discernable effect on the eye colour in Danes.

[truthteacher2007]

Feb 1, 2014 12:12:46 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

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Lalueza-Fox states: "However, the biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans, which indicates that he had dark skin, although we can not know the exact shade."

La Brana Man...woman!!

The girl has real blue eyes. The lady in the costume is wearing colored contacts. Just a detail....

[djoser-xyyman]

You may be right...this is what googled images get you. I prefer a scientific argument any day over selected pictures. Lol!

Feb 3, 2014 10:14:08 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

Feb 1, 2014 12:12:46 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

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Lalueza-Fox states: "However, the biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans, which indicates that he had dark skin, although we can not know the exact shade."

La Brana Man...woman!!

The girl has real blue eyes. The lady in the costume is wearing colored contacts. Just a detail....

[djoser-xyyman]

I am a little puzzled by this???

May be someone can help me out here. I am trying to determine the skin pigmentation of the Otzi Iceman based upon genetic data. Researchers on La Brana Man concluded that he had black skin and indeterminate for eye color. Maybe brown or may be blue.

La Brana was concluded to have black skin because eof the SNP pigmentation profile. He was about 7000yo. On the other hand Otzi skin pigmentation tone was what? He was very similar to La Brana. Both were lactose intolerant etc, Otzi was confirmed to have brown eyes.

So we have….in Iberia black people 5000BC but in Italy(Otzi 3000BC), 2000years later, we had what skin pigmentation? Was Otzi white and La Brna man black? Lol!

Let us investigate this. Apparently both genomes (Otzi and La Brna)can be freely downloaded. Let us compare the SNP profile for both. We already know La Brana is black.


Beyoku, TP, Sage, who can manipulate the SNP Software? Look at the entire profile. SLC45A2, TYR, MC1R etc all disclosed in the study. Will post more on ESR. Still trying to manipulate the downloaded data. I am sure DNATribes etc already know.



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If there are two Blacks in Europe between 5000-3000BC , both in Iberia and Italy that should settle it…right? We know La Brana is black, so….now we have more information. Even the Europhiles can jump in.

So much for European turning white 12000ya. LOL!


we are looking at Chromosome #5 and #15 rsxxxxxxx etc


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The SeqWare project (http://seqware.sf.net), specifically the SeqWare Pipeline sub-project,
was used to execute the complex analytical pipeline entirely on the Amazon EC2 cloud
environment using software contributions by Nimbus Informatics. Both the Iceman genome
website (http://icemangenome.net) and the Query Engine for searching variants are fully
hosted on the Amazon cloud.

[zarahan]

WHat were the "African versions" Fox speaks of? Can you break it down?
Does he quote anything as such in actual article?

[djoser-xyyman]

From Tribes

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Within Africa, these innovations were integrated into the Pre-Dynastic cultures of Egypt (such as Naqada) and Nubia (further south along the Nile River). This included the emergence of a DISTINCTIVE AFRICAN CATTLE CULTURE attested in the Laas Gaal rock carvings (dated to between 9,000 – 3,000 BCE). As the climate changed and Africa’s “Green Sahara” became a desert, the fertile Nile Valley emerged as an important population and civilization center linking the East Mediterranean with the interior of East Africa, continuing the cycle of contacts that generated the first Out of Africa migrations.

Although the model of human population history described in Lazaridis4 does not identify a geographical location where Basal Eurasian populations developed, the paper’s tree model suggests an origin after an initial split from African moderns and prior to the divergence of Eastern Non-African

XYYMAN COMMENT: Yes they did…. somewhat. They used West Africans as a Proxy(the best fit) and not East African or Southern Africa.-San



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This suggests that Sub-Saharan linked components in the Horn of Africa include components that are better represented by Asian-Pacific (including Oceanian) populations than by North African or Middle Eastern percentages.

XYYMAN COMMENT: The Asian Components are closer to SSA.

This unexpected result might reflect ancestry from Non-African populations that were separate from the Basal Eurasians in Lazaridis’ tree model (see Background), such as Eastern Non-Africans (ENA). However, another possibility is that these shared African and Asian-Pacific genetic components might reflect contacts with Denisovan related archaic hominens in Africa.8 However, additional research would be needed to explore this further.

XYYMAN COMMENT: As I said before Neandertal and Denisovan did Not admix with AMH. All supposed genetic signature came from Africans.


The step-by-step GEOGRAPHICAL PROGRESSION in Steps 3A-3I beginning near the Nile River and Red Sea and expanding outwards into West Eurasia is similar to the geographical distribution of Basal Eurasian and descendant EEF (Early European Farmer) ancestry described in Lazaridis (see Figure 1), as well as the modern Homo sapiens migration routes out of Africa and the East Mediterranean centered contact zone in which the first agricultural civilizations first emerged (see Background for more discussion).

For this reason, the Middle Eastern and Mediterranean related genetic components in the Horn of Africa might reflect traces of Basal Eurasian populations, which have been absorbed by neighboring African, European, and Asian populations since the beginning of the Neolithic period.


As with SNP results (see previous section of this article), the sequence of West Eurasian genetic components in the Horn of Africa expresses a GEOGRAPHICALLY ORDERED PROGRESSION of regions that BEGINS near the Nile River and Red Sea (North Africa and Arabian in Step 1) then in later steps includes West Asian and Mediterranean (Levantine, Iberian, and Mesopotamian in Steps 3A and 3C) and finally Northern European and South Asian regions (such as Northwest European and Eastern India percentages in Steps 3E-3F).

However, total percentages of West Eurasian components become progressively smaller in later iterations (starting at 42.3% in Step 1 and ending with only 12.9% in Step 3J). This suggests that the Horn of Africa’s West Eurasian related genetic components are substantially better represented by regions in early steps (such as North African and Arabian) than by regions in later steps (such as Slavic-Baltic or Eastern India).

XYYMAN COMMENT: I need someone to double check my work. Isn’t he saying here that the migration was NOT through the Levant into Europe. But a better model is through North Africa to Europe. It clearly shows the FIRST geographic progression was from the Horn to North Africa.

[djoser-xyyman]

This is hilarious…Black, Brown Tawny. BTW the researchers said he is black like Africans. The media says he is tawny. The reseearchers said he had non-brown/black eyes. The media says he had blue eyes. Ha!

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2546421/Blue-eyed-caveman-7-000-year-old-DNA-reveals-European-African-traits.html


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WAS THIS THE FIRST BLUE-EYED MAN? 7,000-YEAR-OLD DNA REVEALS EUROPEAN AND AFRICAN TRAITS
• Remains discovered 5000ft up mountains of north-west Spain
• Findings suggest racial transformation happened later than thought
• Man, dubbed La Brana 1, also shows similarity to Scandinavian
1.0 WAS THIS THE FIRST BLUE-EYED MAN? 7,000-YEAR-OLD DNA REVEALS EUROPEAN AND AFRICAN TRAITS
• Remains discovered 5000ft up mountains of north-west Spain
• Findings suggest racial transformation happened later than thought
• Man, dubbed La Brana 1, also shows similarity to Scandinavian DNA
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His remains were discovered 5,000ft up in the mountains of north-west Spain in 2006.
Experts were astonished to find the ancient hunter-gatherer, given the name La Brana 1, had a combination of African and European genes.(THERE ARE NO EUROPEANS GENES!!!!)
Results from an analysis of DNA taken from a tooth show he had dark – possibly black – hair and skin with deep blue eyes, the online edition of the journal Nature reports.
The mixture of African and European traits implies that the racial transformation of modern humans was still in progress long after they left Africa, with changes in eye colour coming before alterations in skin tone.
Study leader Professor Carles Lalueza-Fox, of the Institute of Evolutionary Biology in Barcelona, said: ‘The biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans.
'Even more surprising was to find that he possessed the genetic variations that produce blue eyes
His was one of two unusually well preserved male skeletons unearthed from the La Brana-Arintero cave system near Leon.
The scientists focused first on La Brana 1's DNA because it was in better condition. They hope in due course to piece together the genome of the other man, La Brana 2.
He also shared a common ancestor with people who inhabited the Upper Palaeolithic site of Mal'ta, near Lake Baikal, Siberia, more than 20,000 years ago.
DNA from one of the Siberians, a boy, last year revealed links with native Americans.
'These data indicate that there is genetic continuity in the populations of central and western Eurasia,' said Prof Lalueza-Fox.

He would have been unable to digest lactose in milk or to cope with the starchy food that became the mainstay of later Neolithic farmers.

Farming is thought to have driven changes in the human immune system as a result of exposure to bacteria and viruses from animals.

The mixture of African and European traits implies that long after modern humans left Africa their racial transformation was still in progress, with changes in eye colour coming before alterations in skin tone.
XYYMAN COMMENT:
No. Later studies showed that the light skin gene were introduced by EEF/BASAL Eurasian(Saharan Africans).
Malstrom et al – Dinka
Lazaridis eta al – YRI/Yoruba with the Bediouns as proxies
DNATribes – popualtions from the Nile region.
Other studies – Luyha groups of Africa

[djoser-xyyman]

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