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Post by history91 on May 22, 2016 6:47:22 GMT -5
Was he a Berber of the Mediterranean race?
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Post by anansi on May 22, 2016 10:26:45 GMT -5
Was he a Berber of the Mediterranean race? What the heck is a Barber of the Mediterranean race??? |
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Post by history91 on May 22, 2016 10:45:10 GMT -5
I was told Berbers were Mediterranean Caucasians and they were different from black Africans. And Ramses II was of Berber orgin meaning he was not black.
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Post by history91 on May 22, 2016 11:13:07 GMT -5
Is there any information disproving this?
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Post by zarahan on May 22, 2016 12:07:34 GMT -5
Who "told" you this and where from? Why do you often have so little actual content to post, as compared
to making little 2 line posts about alleged "things I was told" or "heard"? "Volume" post
counts don't add to your credibility if that is your tactic. Nor do starting huge numbers of
new threads with very little- a typical troll tactic.
You aren't fooling anyone. But you will protest your innocence even as assorted dupe accounts
reply to create "dialog". OK ,let's see what you got.
Can you define and explain:
(a) What a Berber is?
(b) What a Caucasian is?
(c) What a "Mediterranean Caucasian" is?
(d) Where you was "told" or "heard" Ramses 2 was "Berber"?
(e) What credible scholarly sources confirm SPECIFICALLY what you was "told" or "heard"
Its about time you start doing some of your own legwork.
We'll wait..
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Post by history91 on May 22, 2016 13:22:29 GMT -5
Not trying to start anything just trying to learn. I'm in many archaeology and anthropology groups on Facebook. Many people in those groups say the Egyptians were/are Mediterranean Caucasian meaning they look like most of these fair skinned Arabs. I've heard it said also all of North Africa is Mediterranean or Arab lands. Some of these people in these groups are very educated. I'm just starting to study and learn this history.
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Post by history91 on May 22, 2016 13:32:38 GMT -5
Who "told" you this and where from? Why do you often have so little actual content to post, as compared to making little 2 line posts about alleged "things I was told" or "heard"? "Volume" post counts don't add to your credibility if that is your tactic. Nor do starting huge numbers of new threads with very little- a typical troll tactic. You aren't fooling anyone. But you will protest your innocence even as assorted dupe accounts reply to create "dialog". OK ,let's see what you got. Can you define and explain: (a) What a Berber is? (b) What a Caucasian is? (c) What a "Mediterranean Caucasian" is? (d) Where you was "told" or "heard" Ramses 2 was "Berber"? (e) What credible scholarly sources confirm SPECIFICALLY what you was "told" or "heard" Its about time you start doing some of your own legwork. We'll wait.. A - Fair skinned person living in North Africa but who's orgin is from the Middle east, North Africa, and Europe. B - White people and fair skinned Arabs. And some blacks with European and Arab admixture. C - White or Fair skinned Arabs from the Middle east. D - This Egyptian guy in one Archaeological groups on Facebook. ( Archaeology & Prehistoric & Ancient Wonders ) E - None. He was just from Egypt. Another lady said he was Egyptian Amazigh. kabylia.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/pharaoh-ramesses-ii-was-an-amazigh-berber/ |
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Post by obsidian71 on May 22, 2016 23:49:10 GMT -5
Ramesses family came from the Nile Delta region. I believe him to look African but with fairly heavy admixture. If the mummy on display is truly him he has a low forehead and prognathism which aren't typical features of anthropologically defined caucasian skulls. If you look at his sarcophagus he really could easily straddle an African phenotype or something else which is why he's a bit of an enigma. www.museumsecrets.tv/cmsImages/RamessesCoffin_Gallery_001_copy.jpgAs far as him being white he's never portrayed in art as anything close to white. His color is always red euchre and he's seen in depiction holding a jet black captive a brown captive and a light skinned captive by the hair. |
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Post by obsidian71 on May 23, 2016 0:01:20 GMT -5
Says who? I've never understood the praise heaped on Ramesses II. He didn't beat the Hittites and came close to losing. He built a lot temples but overall he doesn't match the military prowess of Thutmosis III or the guts of Ahmose I. His reign was too long and upon his death his children fought for power. Egypt was in a tailspin that the 20th Dynasty couldn't fix allowing Libyans to size control.
Set and Sekhmet were the deity of War. It makes sense that a military man would be venerate these deity not because they shared red hair but because they sought victory.
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Post by anansi on May 23, 2016 0:54:59 GMT -5
Who "told" you this and where from? Why do you often have so little actual content to post, as compared to making little 2 line posts about alleged "things I was told" or "heard"? "Volume" post counts don't add to your credibility if that is your tactic. Nor do starting huge numbers of new threads with very little- a typical troll tactic. You aren't fooling anyone. But you will protest your innocence even as assorted dupe accounts reply to create "dialog". OK ,let's see what you got. Can you define and explain: (a) What a Berber is? (b) What a Caucasian is? (c) What a "Mediterranean Caucasian" is? (d) Where you was "told" or "heard" Ramses 2 was "Berber"? (e) What credible scholarly sources confirm SPECIFICALLY what you was "told" or "heard" Its about time you start doing some of your own legwork. We'll wait.. A - Fair skinned person living in North Africa but who's orgin is from the Middle east, North Africa, and Europe. B - White people and fair skinned Arabs. And some blacks with European and Arab admixture. C - White or Fair skinned Arabs from the Middle east. D - This Egyptian guy in one Archaeological groups on Facebook. ( Archaeology & Prehistoric & Ancient Wonders ) E - None. He was just from Egypt. Another lady said he was Egyptian Amazigh. kabylia.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/pharaoh-ramesses-ii-was-an-amazigh-berber/Berber's so-called origins are complex but they started out as east Africans genetics shows this, the so-called Med East is a shifting construct that goes back no further than the Brits, and is less than 60 or 70 yrs old, in any case. Rameses is above all an African, with ties genetic and linguistic to central Africa as genetics shows, and second he was Black according to the melanin dosage test carried out some 40 or so yrs ago by Diop on royal mummies and test by others , no credible scientist has challenged this as far as I know. A-M Mekota1, M Vermehren
Department of Biology I, Biodiversity Research/Anthropology1and Department of Veterinary Anatomy II2,
Ludwig-Maximilians University Munich, Germany
Submitted January 8, 2002; revised May 4, 2004; accepted August 12, 2004
despite the use of the term highlighted above and make my point I do not subscribe to any oids such as Negroid ,Caucasoid , Mongoloid or Ids and Tids those are nonsense terms that is often misapplied to populations with no recent connections or separate those who do based off nothing else but a nose or certain features ignoring all else. |
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Post by history91 on Oct 7, 2016 12:46:53 GMT -5
Is there any more information that could be shared about Ramses II?
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Post by clouddesignc7 on Oct 8, 2016 14:33:48 GMT -5
Ancient Egypt was mostly a Nile Valley civilization with influences from East Africa. It had some West African (10%) and some Saharan influence.
Why not just assume he was a Native Nile Valley descended pharaoh like the rest are defaultly assumed?
There were eventually Maghrebian / North African / Berber rulers, but he wasn't one of them as far as we know.
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