common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay

[amazigh]

Hello welcome



The language of the Amazigh
 And the songhay  language  two of the same origin



European scientists hid and distorted this scientific fact


Scientific evidence is clear (common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)


Where 98 percent of verbs of the songhay  language turn into amazigh verbs in case( Suppletion)

Examples

*mon = pour (songhay / si-nghel =causative (songhay ) (  Suppletion)/ nghel =pour (amazigh)


*dambu = slay (songhay / tuwu-gzem = passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ gzem= slay (amazigh) 



*dangu = fill (songhy/ si-kter = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ kter= fill (amazigh) 


*na= drink (songhay/ si-sew = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ sew = drink (amazigh) 


*tay = moisten(songhay / si-bdag =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ bdag = moisten(amazigh) 


*fas = dig (songhay / tuwu-ghiz =  passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ghiz =dig (amazigh)


*wi =kill (songhay/ nama-negh= reciprocal (songhay) ( suppletion) / negh =kill(amazigh) 


*mor = be distant (songhay/ nama-gug = reciprocal (songhay) ( suppletion)/ gug =be distant ( amazigh) 


*kar = hit (songhay/ nama-wwet =  reciprocal (songhay) ( suppletion)/ wwet =hit (amazigh) 

[anansi]

That's interesting hopefully more of our resident linguist can shed more light on the matter and btw welcome to ESR great first post.

[obsidian71]

Great thread. I'd love to know more about this as well.

[amazigh]

hello


Largest conclusive scientific evidence
   Emphasizes (common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)


 is( 98 percent of verbs of the songhay language turn into amazigh verbs in case( Suppletion)


Other examples


*ber = be big (songhay) / si-mgher= =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ mgher=be big(amazigh)


*kemkem = suckle (songhay/ si-nkes = =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ nkes =suckle (amazigh)


*zay =steal (songhay)/ tuwu-ker= passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ker = steal (amazigh)


*ba/baghu =want/ love(songhay) / tuwu-ri = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion/ ri = want /live (amazigh)


*bay = know(songhay/ tuwu-sen = passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ sen =know (amazigh)


*na =eat (songhay/ tuwu-kesh= passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ kesh= eat (amazigh)


*da=do (songhay)/ nama-ga/ tuwu-ga/si-ga = reciprocal +passive+ causative((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ga = do (amazigh)


*zuru =run (songhay/ si-zel = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ zel =run (amazigh)


*hunu = depart (songhay/ si-fel = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ fel =depart (amazigh)


*tunu =get up (songhay) / si-nker = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ nker= get ap (amazigh)


*haw=tie up (songhay / tuwu-qen = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ qen = tie up (amazigh)


*hay = give birth (songhay)/ si-ru/ si-rew =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ru/rew= give birth (amazigh)


*hamburo = fear (songhay) / si-ksedh = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ksedh =fear (amazigh)


*digdag= break (songhay/ si-rrezz=causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/rrezz=break (amazigh)


*hurru = look for (songhay/ si-gmi =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ gmi =look for(amazigh


*hurru =look for (songhay/ tuwu-gmi =passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/gmi =look for(amazigh


*gon=swallow (songhay)/ si-lmez/tuwu-lmez =causative +(passive (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ lmez =swallow (amazigh)


The examples are too many

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[melanitex]

This is very interesting though Songhai is an unidentified language to most linguists (as far as placing it in a Language Family goes) it is known that Northern Songhai Languages in particular have strong Berber influences it is hardly surprising the connections you have fond excellent work.

[imhotep06]

All of these could be borrowings. What you have to do is establish sound laws by way of the comparative method. You must do a series of examinations showing a consistent sound-meaning correspondence between the two languages. I don't any of that in this forum. There is much work to do here.

[amazigh]

Jun 1, 2016 1:06:24 GMT -5 melanitex said:

This is very interesting though Songhai is an unidentified language to most linguists (as far as placing it in a Language Family goes) it is known that Northern Songhai Languages in particular have strong Berber influences it is hardly surprising the connections you have fond excellent work.

hello 



European scientists distorted (Scientific fact is clear as the sun-common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)



First( Languages Northern Songhai ) Do not exist and are not languages  of songhai  but they are
 Amazigh Dialects of tuareg and These Dialects are net and eloquent 



But because(common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) We find that these dialects are very close  to the languages of the songhai  blacks 

At the same time, very close to the Berber languages.As we said, where more than 90 percent of the verbs of these dialects are exactly the same verbs of songhai blacks(zarma.......) 



But in case(Suppletion)  the verbs of these dialects turn into other verbs  are exactly identical with the verbs  of the Berber language( and This scientifically conclusive


evidence confirms(common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)We have provided examples




and Even in the case of Do not compare These dialects with languages of blacks songhai (zarma....)  Despite this .  We find similarity linguist 


Very strong between   Other Berber dialects With languages of blacks songhai ( zarma.dendi. koyra chiini..........)


Examples


*bangu = Hippopotamus(songhai zarma. dendi...../ abanghu =Hippopotamus(amazigh) 


*far/fad = thirst(songhai/ fad = thirst(amazigh) 


*safari = Treat(songhai/ safar = Treat(amazigh) 


*wassu = vomit(songhai/ wess= vomit(amazigh) 


*sarho = Be in a state honor(songhai/ sarho = Be in a state honor(amazigh) 


*zankem = Walks proudly(songhai/ zankem = Walks proudly(amazigh) 


*karfu = kneel(songhai/ graf/kref = kneel(amazigh) 


*kalmu = denounce(songhai/ kalmi = denounce(amazigh) 


*babu = Carries on the back(songhai/ babu/ bib = Carries on the back( amazigh) 


*ban = pay(songhai/ ban(t) = pay (amazigh)


*zaban = distribute(songhai/ zaban(t) = distribute(amazigh) 


*jangal = control(songhai/ jangal = control(amazigh) 


*seng= plant(songhai/ seng(t) = plant (amazigh) 

[amazigh]

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In other examples


*bobass/ babass= be cousin/ cousin(songhai/ bobaz/bobas= be cousin(amazigh/abobaz . abobas = cousin( amazigh)


*basso = flower(songhai/ ta-bssi-t = bss= flower(amazigh)


*dandi = go to east(songhai/ danag = go to east(amazigh)


*dan = Become blind(songhai/ dan = Become blind(amazigh)


*ni= say (songhai/ ni = say (amazigh)


*dassu = Be tired(songhai/ dazz/ dass = Be tired(amazigh) ..........



And always should never forget



The largest and most powerful scientific conclusive evidence confirms( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) that is ( Languages Northern Songhai ) Do not exist and are not languages of songhai but they are
Amazigh Dialects of tuareg and These Dialects are net and eloquent



But because(common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) We find that these dialects are very close to the languages of the songhai blacks

At the same time, very close to the Berber languages.As we said, where more than 90 percent of the verbs of these dialects are exactly the same verbs of songhai blacks(zarma.......)



But in case(Suppletion) the verbs of these dialects turn into other verbs are exactly identical with the verbs of the Berber language



and this scientific evidence is clear for the blind confirms categorically ( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)

[amazigh]

hallo

Continue to expose the scientific truth ( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)


And always should never forget



The largest and most powerful scientific conclusive evidence confirms( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) that is ( Languages Northern Songhai ) Do not exist and are not languages of songhai but they are
Amazigh Dialects of tuareg and These Dialects are net and eloquent



But because(common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) We find that these dialects are very close to the languages of the songhai blacks

At the same time, very close to the Berber languages.As we said, where more than 90 percent of the verbs of these dialects are exactly the same verbs of songhai blacks(zarma.......)



But in case(Suppletion) the verbs of these dialects turn into other verbs are exactly identical with the verbs of the Berber language



and this scientific evidence is clear for the blind confirms categorically ( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)




*and Even in the case of Do not compare These dialects with languages of blacks songhai (zarma....) Despite this . We find similarity linguist


Very strong between Other Berber dialects With languages of blacks songhai ( zarma.dendi. koyra chiini..........)



*ber = be transformed (songhay/ bed = be transformed( amazigh)


*dal = supplicate(songhai/ dal = supplicate(amazigh)


*kassu = to take off(songhay / kess = to take off(amazigh)


*morru = mass(songhai/ mri = mass(amazigh)

[amazigh]

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hallo

Continue to expose the scientific truth ( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)


And always should never forget



The largest and most powerful scientific conclusive evidence confirms( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) that is ( Languages Northern Songhai ) Do not exist and are not languages of songhai but they are
Amazigh Dialects of tuareg and These Dialects are net and eloquent



But because(common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay) We find that these dialects are very close to the languages of the songhai blacks

At the same time, very close to the Berber languages.As we said, where more than 90 percent of the verbs of these dialects are exactly the same verbs of songhai blacks(zarma.......)



But in case(Suppletion) the verbs of these dialects turn into other verbs are exactly identical with the verbs of the Berber language



and this scientific evidence is clear for the blind confirms categorically ( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)




*and Even in the case of Do not compare These dialects with languages of blacks songhai (zarma....) Despite this . We find similarity linguist


Very strong between Other Berber dialects With languages of blacks songhai ( zarma.dendi. koyra chiini..........)



*Other examples


*sanfu = repose(blacks songhai / sunfu /gunef = repose(amazigh/ ta-sunfi-t = the repose(amazigh)



*hando = month (songhai/ hando = month (amazigh)



*mottu = pick( fruits....) (songhay) / med = pick( fruits...) (amazigh)



*taba/tambi/ tanbi= taste(songhay)/ tambi/ mbi = taste (amazigh)



*pangal = pin(songhay)/ afangal/fangal = =pin (amazigh)

[amazigh]

No wonder linguistic kinship between the Amazigh language and songhai


Amazigh people is of African origin


*Amazighs haplogroup =(E)


*And haplogroup most Africans = (E)




We invite all Africans To make the biggest effort in order (Clear scientific fact)( common origin Between Berber(amazigh) language and songhay)

[anansi]

While I am not a linguist and can only take what's posted to me on face value, it is indeed refreshing to see an Amazigh reinforcing the connection between his people and other Africans as having a common origin, too often I have seeing dismissive attitude by past posters to deny those connection based on superficiality of skin color variations.

In the words of a Berber writing for a European audience in the middle ages.

For all the Negroes or black Moors are descendants of Cush, the son of Ham, who was the son of Noah. But whatever difference there is between the Negroes and the tawny Moors, it is a fact that they are all of the same ancestry. Leo Africanus or al-Hasan ibn Muhammad al-Wazzan al-Fasi,

[amazigh]

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[amazigh]

We always remind the strongest scientific evidence of common origin between the Amazigh language and songhai





98 percent of verbs of the songhay language turn into amazigh verbs in case( Suppletion)


Other examples


*ber = be big (songhay) / si-mgher= =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ mgher=be big(amazigh)


*kemkem = suckle (songhay/ si-nkes = =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ nkes =suckle (amazigh)


*zay =steal (songhay)/ tuwu-ker= passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ker = steal (amazigh)


*ba/baghu =want/ love(songhay) / tuwu-ri = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion/ ri = want /live (amazigh)


*bay = know(songhay/ tuwu-sen = passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ sen =know (amazigh)


*na =eat (songhay/ tuwu-kesh= passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ kesh= eat (amazigh)


*da=do (songhay)/ nama-ga/ tuwu-ga/si-ga = reciprocal +passive+ causative((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ga = do (amazigh)


*zuru =run (songhay/ si-zel = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ zel =run (amazigh)


*hunu = depart (songhay/ si-fel = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ fel =depart (amazigh)


*tunu =get up (songhay) / si-nker = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ nker= get ap (amazigh)


*haw=tie up (songhay / tuwu-qen = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ qen = tie up (amazigh)


*hay = give birth (songhay)/ si-ru/ si-rew =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ru/rew= give birth (amazigh)


*hamburo = fear (songhay) / si-ksedh = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ksedh =fear (amazigh)


*digdag= break (songhay/ si-rrezz=causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/rrezz=break (amazigh)


*hurru = look for (songhay/ si-gmi =causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ gmi =look for(amazigh


*hurru =look for (songhay/ tuwu-gmi =passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/gmi =look for(amazigh


*gon=swallow (songhay)/ si-lmez/tuwu-lmez =causative +(passive (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ lmez =swallow (amazigh)

[amazigh]

We are following the other examples. and say you can not differentiate between the language of the Amazigh and songhai . Because the common origin between the two language


*tabtab = sew(songhay / si-zmi = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ zmi = sew (amazigh)


*dudu = pour (songhay / si-nghel = causative (songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ nghel = pour (amazigh)


*ba= love /want (songhay / tuwu -ri = passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ ri =love /want (amazigh)


*zay= take (songhay/ nama-wi = reciprocal ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ wi = take (amazigh)


*haba = gather (food )(songhay / tuwu-fred = passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)/ fred = gather(food(amazigh)


*dis = leave alone (songhay) / tuwu-yyu =passive ((songhay ) ( Suppletion)--/ yyu = leave alone (amazigh)


The examples are too many