They came before Columbus – II

[djoser-xyyman]

They came before Columbus – II

Following up what Mike111 speculated – African were here long before “slavery”. When he first mentioned it, I, like many here in the diaspora doubted his notion. After all we were educated about slavery and the middle passage etc. We were taught our “history” in our schools and we believed it. African descendants in the diaspora were slaves brought over from Africa by Europeans. Right?

I really have my doubts now and is leaning towards Africans were here (in The Americas) long before “slavery”. The genetic evidence emerging is now proving that.
Showing pictures of Olmecs was not enough for me. I am more thorough than the pictorials/visuals. Give me scientific data. Well. I asked for it and I got too many. Now it is snow-balling. I pointed out many studies showing genetic proof of the likelihood of African presence long before slavery. That paper on Mexicans showing E1b1a in present in every sub-population. The dispersal pattern was consistent with pre-historic arrival. Then the study showing R1b-V88 in Native American/Black populations in Georgia and states in the south. They did not carry E1b1a but R1b-V88.
I haven’t written in awhile so the studies do not come to mind but they are here on ESR. I have been reading papers occasionally papers over the last couple of years. I have reached the conclusion that the lies are coming too quickly (from these research “papers” for me to keep up the counter. They have reached a point of overt lies and falsification of data. Or clear omission of data. See my email from Wolfgang Haak on the Abusir. He lied replying to me that the Abusir dataset did not produce any CODIS STR when in fact he removed every STR that showed the Abusir were Africans. They left too much data inwith the Amarnas dataset so they were not making the same mistake twice. Any layman with some computing and genetic knowledge will see that Amranas are sub Saharan Africans.
My last couple of years was focused on getting 45 re-elected and similar people. Kari, Mastriano etc Trump 2024!!!
Anyways, back to the topic. So to prove Africans were here before slavery genetic data extracted from skeleton 1600ad and earlier will be very helpful. Or genetic data from contemporary populations from isolated groups etc may also be helpful. I was particularly interested in ancient DNA from people between Africa and the Americas and Europe. Eg St Helena Islands. If the ancient genetic data from graves in St Helena Island, Cape Verde, STP, Canary Islands, Easter Island , Sardinia, Balearic Islands, Corsica and the Azores etc. We know Africans lineage was in the Canary Islands long before “slavery”. We also know that the earliest non-native inhabitants of Cuba and some other Caribbean Islands were genetically related to Canary Islanders and NOT Spanish Europeans.
Over the last couple of months I came across these two papers which further add fuel to the flame. That some African lineage found in the Americas are NOT related to “modern” Africans. These are separate and distinct African lineage that got to the Americas maybe about the late Neolithic. Or even bronze age. How?

The ancestry and geographical origins of St Helena’s liberated Africans - Marcela Sandoval-Velasco
(these African lineage was unrelated to modern Africans)


Ancient DNA: A multifunctional Tool for Resolving Anthropological Questions: M. Martinez.
(Balearic Islands grave contained African lineage during the Carthage ages.)

[anansi]

Well hopefully when, you got it all tightened up you could post a link, go Cornel West for next President.

[A Boy Named KING]

just saying the slavery business has to be looked at because what can be added up is that the people actually think that Black people would just sit on the ground and not attack the white slavers or look for reasons to free themselves and the amount of piss and poo would make for a disease ridden boat and that is not all, it would of gone on for six to seven months with people every day pissing and pooing on the floor and also needing to eat every day and drink water everyday that would make for some extreme unease and the ships think they can line up Black people and put them into ships lined up inside all awkward positions




Its just a sad joke that people think that the black people were so docile that they would not think about what it looks like black people bending over backward to fit into some ship. look at that picture? what does it mean when white people have no where to walk they just dump Black people into a boat and theres no way they could bring them water because the blacks lined up all across the boat.

Also the height of the slaves would be another thing, How would they be able to put the 7 foot tall Africans with the 5'11 africans. Africans do not come inside one size and the confusion could make for a very sloppy boat trip.

No matter how docile someone is, the health of the slaves could mean that they were sick because the ships had the Africans side by side when that would leave no room for peeing or pooing and that would cause a huge fiasco because the hygiene would be a problem, then it would mean that the Africans were there just idle without things to think about except there slavery and that would mean Africans would not plot to escape when it is a 5-7 months trip from Africa to the Americas. Not to mention that people would need to drink water to survive the journey and Africans would be having different stomach problems and the slavers need food for themselves and drink and we do not know if the ships were able to bring over 700 slaves or 120slaves because the ships could not fit real life people into ships. Its easy looking at a drawing and thinking that the africans were gentle and let themselves be put into chains without the care free attitude of geting them below deck as if the twists and turns did not affect the chains but africans must of bin put into chains that were conduetive to the ship and bent and twist as the africans were forced head first into the ships lower decks with out the slavers able to tell how much movement the Africans would get inside a round ship and oval.

[A Boy Named KING]

this video is needed to hear from a Queen who talks about the transatlantic slave trade and the pissing and pooing from the slaves on the slave ships the video is muted from 4-7:10min due to copyright:





so where are the ships? the ships that carried all these Africans remember the numbers we are told is 12.5million slaves allegedly made the journey from Africa to the Americas yet the ships carried at the most 700 slaves. That would mean 10 ships would carry 7000 slaves and 20 ships would carry 14000 slaves thats just 20 ships and that would mean that they would of taken the 20 ships and the journey would of been with storms and water hitting the ships and thats just 20 ships. 40 ships would have to be built to carry 28000 slaves and it would of been an confusing amount of ships to carry 56000slaves plus to the americas and this is from the largest slave ships

[jerome]

Sept 27, 2023 10:03:27 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

They came before Columbus – II

Following up what Mike111 speculated – African were here long before “slavery”. When he first mentioned it, I, like many here in the diaspora doubted his notion. After all we were educated about slavery and the middle passage etc. We were taught our “history” in our schools and we believed it. African descendants in the diaspora were slaves brought over from Africa by Europeans. Right?

I really have my doubts now and is leaning towards Africans were here (in The Americas) long before “slavery”. The genetic evidence emerging is now proving that.
Showing pictures of Olmecs was not enough for me. I am more thorough than the pictorials/visuals. Give me scientific data. Well. I asked for it and I got too many. Now it is snow-balling. I pointed out many studies showing genetic proof of the likelihood of African presence long before slavery. That paper on Mexicans showing E1b1a in present in every sub-population. The dispersal pattern was consistent with pre-historic arrival. Then the study showing R1b-V88 in Native American/Black populations in Georgia and states in the south. They did not carry E1b1a but R1b-V88.
I haven’t written in awhile so the studies do not come to mind but they are here on ESR. I have been reading papers occasionally papers over the last couple of years. I have reached the conclusion that the lies are coming too quickly (from these research “papers” for me to keep up the counter. They have reached a point of overt lies and falsification of data. Or clear omission of data. See my email from Wolfgang Haak on the Abusir. He lied replying to me that the Abusir dataset did not produce any CODIS STR when in fact he removed every STR that showed the Abusir were Africans. They left too much data inwith the Amarnas dataset so they were not making the same mistake twice. Any layman with some computing and genetic knowledge will see that Amranas are sub Saharan Africans.
My last couple of years was focused on getting 45 re-elected and similar people. Kari, Mastriano etc Trump 2024!!!
Anyways, back to the topic. So to prove Africans were here before slavery genetic data extracted from skeleton 1600ad and earlier will be very helpful. Or genetic data from contemporary populations from isolated groups etc may also be helpful. I was particularly interested in ancient DNA from people between Africa and the Americas and Europe. Eg St Helena Islands. If the ancient genetic data from graves in St Helena Island, Cape Verde, STP, Canary Islands, Easter Island , Sardinia, Balearic Islands, Corsica and the Azores etc. We know Africans lineage was in the Canary Islands long before “slavery”. We also know that the earliest non-native inhabitants of Cuba and some other Caribbean Islands were genetically related to Canary Islanders and NOT Spanish Europeans.
Over the last couple of months I came across these two papers which further add fuel to the flame. That some African lineage found in the Americas are NOT related to “modern” Africans. These are separate and distinct African lineage that got to the Americas maybe about the late Neolithic. Or even bronze age. How?

The ancestry and geographical origins of St Helena’s liberated Africans - Marcela Sandoval-Velasco
(these African lineage was unrelated to modern Africans)


Ancient DNA: A multifunctional Tool for Resolving Anthropological Questions: M. Martinez.
(Balearic Islands grave contained African lineage during the Carthage ages.)

Oct 19, 2023 15:59:05 GMT -5 A Boy Named KING said:

this video is needed to hear from a Queen who talks about the transatlantic slave trade and the pissing and pooing from the slaves on the slave ships the video is muted from 4-7:10min due to copyright:





so where are the ships? the ships that carried all these Africans remember the numbers we are told is 12.5million slaves allegedly made the journey from Africa to the Americas yet the ships carried at the most 700 slaves. That would mean 10 ships would carry 7000 slaves and 20 ships would carry 14000 slaves thats just 20 ships and that would mean that they would of taken the 20 ships and the journey would of been with storms and water hitting the ships and thats just 20 ships. 40 ships would have to be built to carry 28000 slaves and it would of been an confusing amount of ships to carry 56000slaves plus to the americas and this is from the largest slave ships

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[zarahan]

o where are the ships? the ships that carried all these Africans remember the numbers we are told is 12.5million slaves allegedly made the journey from Africa to the Americas yet the ships carried at the most 700 slaves. That would mean 10 ships would carry 7000 slaves and 20 ships would carry 14000 slaves thats just 20 ships and that would mean that they would of taken the 20 ships and the journey would of been with storms and water hitting the ships and thats just 20 ships. 40 ships would have to be built to carry 28000 slaves and it would of been an confusing amount of ships to carry 56000slaves plus to the americas and this is from the largest slave ships

Actually hundreds of ships have been identified and their slave cargoes. The
Transatlantic Trade was no "hoax." It is notable that you list no credible sources
besides your own opinion for your claims. That she have not done basic research
about the topic is obvious. If you are trolling dude to set up fake "Afrocentric"
strawmen to be later "refuted", you are not being too convincing... And do you
realize that slave ships could make MORE THAN ONE voyage between Africa & the Americas?

Here's actual data- with real ship names- not opinion..
www.slavevoyages.org/voyage/database

You gots to be more plausible dude.. Even the "registration" thing is a giveaway...
But carry on..

[zarahan]

“Just saying the slavery business has to be looked at because what can be added up is that the people actually think that Black people would just sit on the ground and not attack the white slavers or look for reasons to free themselves.. “

You are running a strawman. Scholars have long shown multiple attacks
and revolts both on land, at at sea. The famous Amistad revolt is just
one example. Which “people” think black people would just sit around?


Also the height of the slaves would be another thing, How would they be able to put the 7 foot tall Africans with the 5'11 africans. Africans do not come inside one size and the confusion could make for a very sloppy boat trip.

lol Dude you gots to troll better… No one “stood up” the “7-foot” slaves.
Most slaves were made to lie down in cramped cage-like boxes or shelves,
some as small as 5’ long by 3’ high- which is one reason for the
levels of mortality. Almost everyone, even junior-high skool kids
reading about slavery knows this.. lol..


No matter how docile someone is, the health of the slaves could mean that they were sick because the ships had the Africans side by side when that would leave no room for peeing or pooing and that would cause a huge fiasco because the hygiene would be a problem..

Of course hygiene was a problem. Usually the slaves in cages were allowed
to “piss and poo” on themselves, with all the death rate fallout that entails.
Storage cages were usually washed with sea water periodically, then
it was back to “piss and poo.” Wait. You just discovered this?


Not to mention that people would need to drink water to survive the journey and Africans would be having different stomach problems and the slavers need food for themselves and drink..

Dang. You mean you just discovered dey would need food and wata?


But carry on.. I’m sure it gets better…

[A Boy Named KING]

Oct 26, 2023 0:57:48 GMT -5 zarahan said:

o where are the ships? the ships that carried all these Africans remember the numbers we are told is 12.5million slaves allegedly made the journey from Africa to the Americas yet the ships carried at the most 700 slaves. That would mean 10 ships would carry 7000 slaves and 20 ships would carry 14000 slaves thats just 20 ships and that would mean that they would of taken the 20 ships and the journey would of been with storms and water hitting the ships and thats just 20 ships. 40 ships would have to be built to carry 28000 slaves and it would of been an confusing amount of ships to carry 56000slaves plus to the americas and this is from the largest slave ships

Actually hundreds of ships have been identified and their slave cargoes. The
Transatlantic Trade was no "hoax." It is notable that you list no credible sources
besides your own opinion for your claims. That she have not done basic research
about the topic is obvious. If you are trolling dude to set up fake "Afrocentric"
strawmen to be later "refuted", you are not being too convincing... And do you
realize that slave ships could make MORE THAN ONE voyage between Africa & the Americas?

Here's actual data- with real ship names- not opinion..
www.slavevoyages.org/voyage/database

You gots to be more plausible dude.. Even the "registration" thing is a giveaway...
But carry on..

I looked at the accounts but I wonder where are these ships? It could of been easily made up. I don't see how they could of moved millions of people on a ship that carried at the most 700 people. And the hygiene's is possibly at the height what would make the voyage useless. Anyone could of typed that and that would make it pointless. Where are the slave dungeons inside america to keep the 12million slaves?.

www.bitchute.com/video/DvG9EiIpvtod/




there is something wrong with the idea of transatlantic slavery the numbers do not add up.  

www.theafrolounge.com/2019/02/16/the-trans-atlantic-slave-trade-a-hoax-or-fabrication/  

Where are these ships of slavery with the bones of Africans chained together? also what would make Africans find as much slaves as they could. The Africans could not of found slaves just laying about ready to be kidnapped.

You just do not get it. It takes 5months to get to Africa from the americas on ships and it would take another 5 months for the ship to reach Americas from Africa. thats almost one year on one cargo of Africans. what they ate and drank is means alone to call this trip debunked but also the "piss and poo" is detriment to the survival of the Africans and being cramped into cages would make for a harder trip because that would mean the cages would make for single fit and that would be useless because that would take time and effort. It would mean the chains were single tier chains and that would mean that slaves were observed single and one at a time. That would make for a longer loading of the slaves when the ship takes 4-5 months of sailing just to reach the Americas.