What race are YOU?

[djoser-xyyman]

Mods this is not a race thread. I got the idea when I got my results back from 23andme. Being 1st generation with parents from Caribbean I made certain assumptions about myself and heritage which changed when I got my results back.
I knew “long time AA” and people from the Caribbean have an interwoven and similar past with rape and abuse taken out on our black women during the time of slavery. And that AA may have a higher percentage of Euro genetic morphology.
When I saw the amount of 4-5th cousins that were white, carrying R1b1b, Hg-I and mtDNA U and H, threw me a curve. What puzzled me was why there were so many Euro-Americans on 23andMe that was related to me. Discussing the results with my brother, who is more in tune with family history, mentioned that one of our great- great-grandparent, maybe there was another great in there, was from New Orleans and was tied to the Louisiana Purchase.
When I read through the forums and discussion groups about people’s reaction when they got their result gave me the idea. Genetics will solve and create a lot of problems.
Some may commit suicide, when they get their results back. Notably white people. I was amazed at the amount of white people that carry African lineage, eg Hg-L , and their African heritage percentages. Some of these people really thought they were “pure white” and their bubble is being burst. They may be better off not knowing the results. Others took it in stride and moved on.
The other thing that struck me was the amount of mis-information out there.
Here are excerpts from the forums/group discussions. I will add more when I have time. Anyone feel free to add. Keep it short to make the thread interesting.

BTW – I am L2a1a(not sure if it is the African or European version) and E1b1a(upstream!! ). African heritage with minor percentage of European. And less than 1 percent Asian.

[djoser-xyyman]

Confused L2a White Guy
Both of my parents are children of white eastern european immigrants. Yet I am an L2a showing sub-saharan African decent. Can anyone explain this or am I mis-reading something


Xabier:
Jan 24, 2011
Keep in mind that it only touches upon one line of thousands in your genome. My wife would be described as white Hispanic, but just got her maternal haplogroup back as L1b1a7.

Chucky P:
Jan 25, 2011
Surely Berbers are North African. They also cluster with southern Europeans. Lb1b is more derived. It is as young as 2500 years. My Berber ancestress could have been a Guanche from the Canary Islands or she could have been brought as a slave through the Saharan slave routs to El Jadida or Marrakesh en sold into a Sephardic family

MikePP:
Feb 27, 2011
I am trying to fully understand this without getting too emotional. Only the facts please.

We all know phenotype and haplogroup does not always matchup, especially in this part of the world. Who knows who was sleeping with whom 2-400ya.

altai volk:
Feb 28, 2011
Just got a RF match with a D4E1. No response back yet, anonymous.

I can say with certainty that there is no RECENT history (200+/- years) of african blood ccontribution in my family, either side, so perhaps we are on to something here:

Is there such a thing as a non african european type african?


Ted Kandell:
Mar 2, 2011
As many people above pointed out, L2a1 (or more specifically L2a1l2) is really Ashkenazi Jewish, yet of Sub-Saharan African origin

LitheLady:
Mar 25, 2011
I am an H, European, but I also found a fifth cousin that I discovered on this site who has African heritage from both father and mother.
My 100% European GGG Grandmother had an illicit relationship and then a child with a peddler passing through town who was "non=white".....this secret was kept from the later family, and only recently revealed by our 89 year old Aunt. So, we never knew of this link, but always wondered about our grandmother's unusual hair and nose.

[anansi]

Those of us in the know,already accepted the fact that people traveled are traveling and will travel for many different reasons sometime voluntary sometimes forcibly. the one thing we tend to do is leave offspring that will find it's way into the local genetic pool,I keep telling folks that one should not be surprised to find remains of people from one geographical area into another area even if such remains are extremely ancient.

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Nelson Satish Singh Martinez asks:
Jul 25, 2011
Racism Exists Even at 23andme
One of these cousins that he shares 8 cm's with, well she was kind enough to write an email to say "Hi, Thanks for contacting me. There has just got to be something wrong with Relative Finder. I can't be related to either you or your 'friend' - we just don't have BROWN people in our family."



AndreaBadger:
Jul 25, 2011
"People like this ought to stay clear of genetic testing and stick with their racial purity myths instead"

Could not have said it better myself

KWheaton:
Jul 25, 2011
Perhaps This is where I should share this story---in abbreviated form.
When I found out I had 1% African I posted here and was subjected to some harassment and some great support(from some who have already commented---thank you again). I also posted over at DNA forums---looking for help and how to locate ancestors and one of the persons who responded directly and privately was of mixed African American descent---
Fast forward several months and a few rounds of private messages---and books and ideas exchanged.


Birrarung Marr:
Jul 25, 2011

On the other hand if it wasn't for 23andMe I would never have looked into my family tree, and I would never know that my sub Saharan African in Admixture, care of Davidski or Dienekes, was real and the person who gave it to me was a real person, an Ethiopian slave

Evon_Evon:
Jul 26, 2011
i dont see that as racist at all, i see it as ignorant about how RF works (and very bad English), i get replies like that all the time from South European matches and also from afro american matches ect, they all cannot believe how they can be related to me in any way, so they assume 23andme made a mistake

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Ah yes!
When you shake the family tree,
stand back.
No telling who will fall on you!

Seems Genesis was right.
We're all just families with languages
inhabiting lands and forming nations.

[djoser-xyyman]

Cubanita says:Jun 4, 2009 L2aIt's interesting that I'm a L2a. I was born in Cuba and was probably a 5th generation Cuban. My ancestors came from Spain (both sides of the family) so I'm 96% European according to my DNA testing, the rest equally divided by Asian and Black. I'm considered white since all the relatives I know including my grandparents on both sides were white. My mother has blue eyes, I have brown eyes but one of my kids have blue eyes and the other one has green eyes, one after the maternal grandmother and the other after the paternal grandmother.

It was surprising to know that most African-American share my haplogroup. However, I wonder if the Moors (Muslims) who ruled most of Spain for 800 years has anything to do with my DNA. I though that DNA testing was going to shed some light into my origins but it has brought more questions than answers.

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babycarlisle: Jun 5, 2009 It looks like from your ancestry painting that you have Amerindian and African ancestry. This is commom among Cubans. My great grandfather was a slave, (he died in 1943) and he married another slave. They had 8 kids, 3 had blue eyes,3 gray,1 green,1 brown and they were African Americans. My yDNA is R1b1 this is one of the most common European haplogroups. By the way, two of my grandfather's brothers left the family to live as white. Their grandkids will be surprised if they take a DNA test

[djoser-xyyman]

babycarlisle: Jun 5, 2009 I've seen 4 posts and these women said they were 100% European and have L ancestry. One was Cuban and the other two said they had a Spanish background.There was one woman who was very unique,she had a haplogroup that is not seen outside of Africa. It is mostly seen among the Pygmies and she said she was 100% European.

[djoser-xyyman]

KonaDub: Jun 9, 2009 Haplogroups don't necessarily tell you much about your admixture percentage. You could have African maternal(L) and paternal haplogroups(E) and still be overwhelmingly European. It's just one part of ones ancestry. Whether those ladies are being truthful is another issue.lol.

[djoser-xyyman]

DMac1959: Oct 26, 2009 Got my 23andMe results back today. They show 100% Europe in the Ancestry Painting. Not a surprise when considering my I1 Y-DNA haplogroup but my mtDNA is L2a according to 23andMe. Previous testing through SMGF had my mtDNA as L2 so I was not surprised with the mtDNA results through 23andMe. What I'm surprised about is not having any African ancestry shown in the paint

[djoser-xyyman]

JackMargo: Jun 14, 2011 Somehow I am L2a1 with 99% european, 0% african. I am white, jewish and can trace most of my family back through the 1700's in poland, galicia, ukraine and hungary. Anyone have any idea how that happens? Both parents and grandparents are deceased so getting any similarity testing there is not possible.

I'm open for theories.

[djoser-xyyman]

Genespool1970: Jun 16, 2011 JackMargo,

MTDNA haplogroup L2a1 is an deep African origin but also little recently known Jewish origin as well. If that what you`re questioning?
I myself is a L2a1a and an African-American descent, I belong to a group that`s mainly MTDNA L2a1 half of the members are Jewish descents and the rest are Africans descents as well. The founder i believe is Jewish also.


David

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IvyPrincess: Jul 8, 2011 I am L2a1 (mtDNA Haplogroup), which is common among African-Americans. Through a DNA test from www.africanancestry.com I was shown to have a 100% match with the Tuareg people of Mali.

[djoser-xyyman]

Liviadrus: Aug 31, 2011
(12 days ago)Origin,

I am in the DC Metro area. When I first moved here I was verbally accosted by an Ethiopian man for having affected what appeared to be an American way of speaking in order to deny my heritage. I was with a writer at the time who had to convince the guy I was not from Ethiopia...as the man was too through with me! I on the other hand was overjoyed at having been recognized by someone from my homeland and shocked that someone would make such an accusation of the girl who's always longed to "know". There was a GNC on Vermont Ave. where the Manager and some patrons would speak to me as if was Ethiopian...the Manager would forget sometimes.

I am used to it now and can even recognize Ethiopian faces within my family. It so good to know where I am from and who I am, in part. FINALLY!

[djoser-xyyman]

I match with 2 female L2as -i and -a2a) and
1 male L2a1-a4- R1b1b2a1a2f2 paternal

The male, probably new with the new program, declined just a day ago (.12%), unfortunately.... and the females are still pending, no more info provided. (@.10%)

Just posting to ask these matches to consider contacting me if I show up on your RF or AF.... and requesting a share from my profile page, as I cannot ask them anymore if they decide to see what info we may be able to share and to possibly see which chromosome the match is on? Most of my info (places and names available) is on the profile page, but I do have other hints that may help understand the past with some corroboration if possible?

Granted, it is most likely pretty far back, I am 62 yrs old...but I would welcome any communication just to see where you are from and where you people are from and if any names seem at all familiar?

Thanks for considering this.
ALSO:

2 L3B1a's ( @.16%), female
2 MALE L3e2b's (@e3b1a paternals); male .12%
1 L1B1A female .10%
1 L2A1A2A female .10%

My main reason for wondering about these matches is concerning if my irish ancestors, either pre or during famine years, were perhaps endentured "servents" in the states or on an island or...?
Anyone with a Chicago connection might be meaningful also.

My african and asian segments show clearly on my % from gendmatch admix,
I have congo and Jamaica in my AF several segments

An AA woman of color in an old family photograph was even referred to as an "italian neighbor" by my great grand relatives era!?

Sharing basic geographic info would help to sort through some of the mysteries and lies our families kept.