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Post by anastasiaescrava on Jan 12, 2014 2:42:06 GMT -5
They are treated like animals. Like azrur said, they are not looked on favorably by Malians at all. Now again, some Toureg have done some bad things, sure. But they have been marginalized in Mali. They are nomadic and late comers to that part of the Sahel. So for other groups who have been there a lot longer, this Toureg presence isn't always seen as something positive. You should see the camps they have some touregs living in. It is pretty bad, and very sad. some of the more southernly parts of azawad maybe but sahara has belonged to tuareg since tiski brought the tribes south blacks have been encroaching them since malian songhai one of them empires incurred the wrath of them and the tuareg sack their city timbuktu three times Please don't tell you believe in the old "sub-Saharan" aka "real Africans only live below the desert" nonsense.
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Post by azrur on Jan 12, 2014 3:27:48 GMT -5
some of the more southernly parts of azawad maybe but sahara has belonged to tuareg since tiski brought the tribes south blacks have been encroaching them since malian songhai one of them empires incurred the wrath of them and the tuareg sack their city timbuktu three times Please don't tell you believe in the old "sub-Saharan" aka "real Africans only live below the desert" nonsense. irrelevant yeah? but no i dont i am talking about the ones in mali that tuareg have been fighting war with
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Post by anansi on Jan 12, 2014 3:52:10 GMT -5
Of course not. I just want to know why they want to separate so badly. What's really going on? They are treated like animals. Like azrur said, they are not looked on favorably by Malians at all. Now again, some Toureg have done some bad things, sure. But they have been marginalized in Mali. They are nomadic and late comers to that part of the Sahel. So for other groups who have been there a lot longer, this Toureg presence isn't always seen as something positive. You should see the camps they have some touregs living in. It is pretty bad, and very sad. Azrur obviously there are ethnic tensions but don't you think it's a two way street?? that some groups of Touregs and other Amazighs boasted or continued boasting even worst continues to hold dark-skinned non Tourages as slaves until very recently if not today in some of their communities I know from history they can be very predatory to settled communities and at times they can work with them but as the O.P states they do not make themselves easy to be accepted by their southern neighbors.
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Post by azrur on Jan 12, 2014 4:35:37 GMT -5
They are treated like animals. Like azrur said, they are not looked on favorably by Malians at all. Now again, some Toureg have done some bad things, sure. But they have been marginalized in Mali. They are nomadic and late comers to that part of the Sahel. So for other groups who have been there a lot longer, this Toureg presence isn't always seen as something positive. You should see the camps they have some touregs living in. It is pretty bad, and very sad. Azrur obviously there are ethnic tensions but don't you think it's a two way street?? that some groups of Touregs and other Amazighs boasted or continued boasting even worst continues to hold dark-skinned non Tourages as slaves until very recently if not today in some of their communities I know from history they can be very predatory to settled communities and at times they can work with them but as the O.P states they do not make themselves easy to be accepted by their southern neighbors. boasting i do not know what you mean by boasting of worst continues to dark skin non tuareg? and yes there is still slavery in some parts but has not in history all nomadic peoples be predatory against settled communities? the aryans invade india the scythian invade macedon the germanics invade rome the mongols invade china the tatars and cossacks? but in time these all stop there are no more invasions now from them no more raids no more invasions in time tuareg they stop too and i believe it would have been sooner if government would not have been so hostile you know in algeria libya morocco there is no tuareg problem and i ask when have other amazighs done this? most live in mountains and have been there for long time that is how they survived when others didn't the mountains protect no turks or arab never conquered or bothered with them they just live up there farming
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Post by anansi on Jan 12, 2014 5:13:40 GMT -5
Azrur obviously there are ethnic tensions but don't you think it's a two way street?? that some groups of Touregs and other Amazighs boasted or continued boasting even worst continues to hold dark-skinned non Tourages as slaves until very recently if not today in some of their communities I know from history they can be very predatory to settled communities and at times they can work with them but as the O.P states they do not make themselves easy to be accepted by their southern neighbors. boasting i do not know what you mean by boasting of worst continues to dark skin non tuareg? and yes there is still slavery in some parts but has not in history all nomadic peoples be predatory against settled communities? the aryans invade india the scythian invade macedon the germanics invade rome the mongols invade china the tatars and cossacks? but in time these all stop there are no more invasions now from them no more raids no more invasions in time tuareg they stop too and i believe it would have been sooner if government would not have been so hostile you know in algeria libya morocco there is no tuareg problem and i ask when have other amazighs done this? most live in mountains and have been there for long time that is how they survived when others didn't the mountains protect no turks or arab never conquered or bothered with them they just live up there farming  If as you said that they had been predatory in the past and still held dark skinned non Amazighs as slaves in some of their communities why can't you believe that is what pisses off dark-skinned non Tuaregs, the examples you gave of Scythian and others is literally ancient history,Amazigh dominated Mauritania have a hard time getting rid of the practice much of it is based on shadism or color consciousness and although officially abolished repeatedly since 1905 they continued the practice right up to the yr 2007 when they abolished it again for the third time,but lets say they get their state I'll bet that Mali will recover economically and they will still be living on the edge especially if they continue being nomads yes the life style seems romantic but it's hard but in the end the settled communities always win out.
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Post by azrur on Jan 12, 2014 23:29:06 GMT -5
boasting i do not know what you mean by boasting of worst continues to dark skin non tuareg? and yes there is still slavery in some parts but has not in history all nomadic peoples be predatory against settled communities? the aryans invade india the scythian invade macedon the germanics invade rome the mongols invade china the tatars and cossacks? but in time these all stop there are no more invasions now from them no more raids no more invasions in time tuareg they stop too and i believe it would have been sooner if government would not have been so hostile you know in algeria libya morocco there is no tuareg problem and i ask when have other amazighs done this? most live in mountains and have been there for long time that is how they survived when others didn't the mountains protect no turks or arab never conquered or bothered with them they just live up there farming If as you said that they had been predatory in the past and still held dark skinned non Amazighs as slaves in some of their communities why can't you believe that is what pisses off dark-skinned non Tuaregs, the examples you gave of Scythian and others is literally ancient history,Amazigh dominated Mauritania have a hard time getting rid of the practice much of it is based on shadism or color consciousness and although officially abolished repeatedly since 1905 they continued the practice right up to the yr 2007 when they abolished it again for the third time,but lets say they get their state I'll bet that Mali will recover economically and they will still be living on the edge especially if they continue being nomads yes the life style seems romantic but it's hard but in the end the settled communities always win out. if they got their state they would make it secular democracy not corrupt like mali and they would make do as they have been doing for thousand of year
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Post by anansi on Jan 13, 2014 0:14:45 GMT -5
If as you said that they had been predatory in the past and still held dark skinned non Amazighs as slaves in some of their communities why can't you believe that is what pisses off dark-skinned non Tuaregs, the examples you gave of Scythian and others is literally ancient history,Amazigh dominated Mauritania have a hard time getting rid of the practice much of it is based on shadism or color consciousness and although officially abolished repeatedly since 1905 they continued the practice right up to the yr 2007 when they abolished it again for the third time,but lets say they get their state I'll bet that Mali will recover economically and they will still be living on the edge especially if they continue being nomads yes the life style seems romantic but it's hard but in the end the settled communities always win out. if they got their state they would make it secular democracy not corrupt like mali and they would make do as they have been doing for thousand of year Really?? show me a state that's not corrupt and may I remind you of the glowing report of Mali by Ibn Battuta of medieval Mali of the total lack of crime and corruption he observed during his visit, and it would be a traget for groups like Al-Queada to infiltrate and serve as a spring board to launch attacks on neighboring countries including Mali.
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Post by azrur on Jan 13, 2014 0:20:47 GMT -5
if they got their state they would make it secular democracy not corrupt like mali and they would make do as they have been doing for thousand of year Really?? show me a state that's not corrupt and may I remind you of the glowing report of Mali by Ibn Battuta of medieval Mali of the total lack of crime and corruption he observed during his visit, and it would be a traget for groups like Al-Queada to infiltrate and serve as a spring board to launch attacks on neighboring countries including Mali. iran number one country in the world not corrupt taliban afghanistan was also not corrupt their ways it is same as any other tribal area in a islamic country yet none of them get invaded it has already been proven with the scientific facts that iraq and afghanistan invasions were for no reasons 9/11 was done by mossad of israel all experts will agree and is this medieval mali the same as same state today the french they come they corrupt the tuareg they can fight off al qaeda as all berber can if they want to the desert is there home not al qaeda's taliban sucess is because those were their mountains getting invaded and it will tuareg's desert getting invaded by al qaeda and there already is northern nigeria one of biggest center for islamist terrorists yeah?
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