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Post by nebsen on Jun 23, 2012 23:11:22 GMT -5
1 2 3 I posted these 3 You Tube video;s from the series magical Egypt which I think should be seen & given some thought. As we know ancient Egypt can be approached from many different angles. Besides ancient Egypt ( Kemet) being a African ( Black) civilization, I have always been drawn to ancient Egypt deeper ( metaphysical) aspects. While some status Quo Egyptologist may poo poo this, & roll their eyes in their heads, I don't. That's why I really like John Anthony West who see's ancient Egypt outer & more important ancient Egypt's inner meanings. As my mentor Dr. Ligon used to say, "ancient Egypt's religion was magic".
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Post by nebsen on Jun 28, 2012 21:02:59 GMT -5
This is the actual Magical Egypt 1 of the series . As you will see their is a long list of Europeans who have gained much, for being in contact with ancient Egypt. I think it is high time that we lay claim to Egypt's magical & esoteric knowledge !
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Post by anansi on Jun 30, 2012 4:14:04 GMT -5
The initiation How it's used in the West as amedicineHow it is described spiritually in the west. IbogaMaybe one of the ways the ancients could do what they did and knew what they knew came from the knowledge of the Shaman or priest these group of vids showed how knowledge is still being passed into the West with both spiritual and medical implications,keep in mind that these are the Twa the same short statured people who the Kemetians brought north to do the dances of the gods,and where the God Bes may have had his origins. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pav&action=display&thread=419More on the Bwiti tradition here in a series of video lectures
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Post by nebsen on Jun 30, 2012 8:43:55 GMT -5
Anansi I don't understand you line of reasoning ? Did you actually watch any of the video's? I have heard it said ancient( Egypt) Kemet was the mouthpiece of Africa . if so all the shaman/ priestly teaching from untold eons was the foundation of ancient kemet higher occult & esoteric understandings , including that of course of the Twa people. Now whether active taking of drugs from plants was a a part of ancient kemet's ancient culture is a highly debated issue ! We do know now the highly prized( Blue) lotus plant was known for its effect apon the mind. From my understanding the Mystery Schools were about rigorous study, training, over many years in the" Schools Of Life". I hope you have at least watched" one" of the video's!
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Post by anansi on Jun 30, 2012 14:09:06 GMT -5
Anansi I don't understand you line of reasoning ? Did you actually watch any of the video's? I have heard it said ancient( Egypt) Kemet was the mouthpiece of Africa . if so all the shaman/ priestly teaching from untold eons was the foundation of ancient kemet higher occult & esoteric understandings , including that of course of the Twa people. Now whether active taking of drugs from plants was a a part of ancient kemet's ancient culture is a highly debated issue ! We do know now the highly prized( Blue) lotus plant was known for its effect apon the mind. From my understanding the Mystery Schools were about rigorous study, training, over many years in the" Schools Of Life". I hope you have at least watched" one" of the video's! I did and also Laird Scranton's the Dogon code my point was that there could have been more than one way for the ancients to reach conclusions we moderns have just reached,concepts and ideas from meditations sometimes with the help of certain plants,mind altering dances eg Sufi dances and Zar rituals for instance the ancients never did separate "science" rigorous study from the physical and the spiritual,It is us "moderns" who made the break from the spiritual and focused only on the material,if all they did was focused on the spiritual then they would not discover the Iboga plant,as it was unpleasant to taste so experimental trial and error was at play here,today's distaste of the use of mind altering plants is because of misuse and abuse for those seeking pleasure or escapism only, which is largely a modern problem, not so in the age of the shaman or priest of old, and to further the point God Bes was more than likely a BaTwa who morphed into Pan of the Greeks and others in the med and beyond.
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Post by nebsen on Jun 30, 2012 15:35:08 GMT -5
anansi, I still I'm missing your point ! All you stated in your reply is very true. But their is no where in the video's that he said that only one method was used for "enlightenment". What i felt he the video's was implying that the ancient Egyptians did not see life/ things as separate as we do today, but knew the wholeness & divinity of all life.Which is in fact a very African way of seeing & feeling life; Rocks rivers etc. have spirits (powers). That's why the temple of Amun was a living entity. So of course plants would be a a part of this wholness & used . But we know this. It seems that you are reacting to the presenter( West) being Euro- American & having a certain P.O.V. which you feel might not encompass the totality of the African experience. I include this video which I have be saving !
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Post by anansi on Jun 30, 2012 16:14:25 GMT -5
Do you really believe he was defying the laws of gravity or was it a trick of camera,light and shadows I have never suggested leaving the nuts and bolts aspect out nor common sense ,let the physical laws remain in place as we know it but the operation of the mind and consciousness is a different story the third eye or eye of Horus as per the Kemetians comes into play here remember the thread header is Magical Egypt,they did not separate their magic from their science.
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Post by anansi on Jun 30, 2012 16:24:26 GMT -5
anansi, I still I'm missing your point ! All you stated in your reply is very true. But their is no where in the video's that he said that only one method was used for "enlightenment". What i felt he the video's was implying that the ancient Egyptians did not see life/ things as separate as we do today, but knew the wholeness & divinity of all life.Which is in fact a very African way of seeing & feeling life; Rocks rivers etc. have spirits (powers). That's why the temple of Amun was a living entity. So of course plants would be a a part of this wholness & used . But we know this. It seems that you are reacting to the presenter( West) being Euro- American & having a certain P.O.V. which you feel might not encompass the totality of the African experience. I include this video which I have be saving ! My presentation was mainly a supplement to the above which was to show that sacred knowledge is still being passed on to the West as well as practical nuts and bolts benefits some would in their arrogance would consider primitive.
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Post by nebsen on Jun 30, 2012 16:53:15 GMT -5
Also I have heard West is resistant in seeing Ancient Egypt as a African( Black) civilization . For he never ever use the term black or African. He is one of these Euro Americans that want to claim ancient Kemet as part of his heritage & to make up for the deficiency of the white world, by embracing ancient Egypt spiritual legacy . That,s fine by me. For I have already learned of what he is speaking about from a Black Man Dr. Ligon, who was a symbolist of the first order 30 years ago ! But why the video's are important is to get them out their in cyber space & hopefully more melanined people will see them & get busy doing research. Dr. Richard King who is caring on his on work ,along with Dr. Ligon, would be a good start. He has book(s) & articles one called the" Black Dot Black Seed " Archetype Of Humanity which is excellent !
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Post by nebsen on Jun 30, 2012 17:07:17 GMT -5
Concerning the above video I included. Why be so cynical ! It could be real . We know their are Shamans in deepest Africa that that have powers we in the west would see as not real . We seem to defer to the East when it comes to feats of mind over matter why not in Africa? Have we been so brain washed ? Why is it that we can support a belief in UFO's & aliens & not things done on Mother Earth ? I personally believe in "Both And" !
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jun 30, 2012 20:20:17 GMT -5
"The maji is a lie!" Metaphysics is not magic but a precursor to science. "Magic" which conforms to Laws of Physics is science. All what we know of the Laws of Physics is constantly adjusted, prone to tweeking and replacement as humanity advances in knowledge. I would like to quote an ancestored master teacher here: A book dealing with the sciences in Africa cannot be complete without essays on the paradigms or models of African science. Writers like Hunter Adams III attempt this in his work on the Dogon but we would like to open future editions of this book to more extended ventures in this virginal field. Many pieces that now exist on this subject, unfortunately, are rich in speculative fantasy and poor in theoretical substance. It would do a great disservice to this pioneering work, however tentative and inadequate, to open its pages to too much guesswork. African science does not have to apologize for its apparent paucity for enough has already been discovered in a very short time to make it quite clear that a great deal still remains to be brought to light. Nor does it have to dwell on dubious fantasies about mysterious ways or processes of arriving at the knowledge of things, methodologies which cannot be repeated by other human beings. There are certainly other ways of knowing, but, until we can state with a fair amount of certainty what these other ways are, we should not encumber this virginal field with pseudoacademic dream-models and science fiction.
Ivan Van Sertima Blacks in Science: ancient and modern New Brunswick: Transaction Publishers, 1983 p 5e
There may be a working psychological side to "magic" but illusion and hallucination can negate no physics. Stoners "flying" off rooftops end up dead on the pavement. In Africa bullets do not transmute into water and all the "magic" in Africa proved ineffective against Arab and European onslaughts or Indian intrusions. Nonetheless I will still wear a qamea (gris-gris). Perhaps because, as it was explained to me that, magic's power is personally not collectively effective. Magic has been used to dupe gullible people into parting with money, property, and even loved ones often in the name of religion by an nganga/priest abusive of rank, position, or personal power. In Africa its common misuse is to visciously murder old ladies and salve child recruits of personal militias. Instead of any reversion to the "magical" we as a people need to produce a Generation of Reason and activist Rationalists, both at home and abroad. As for the mystical magical East, meaning India may I suggest watching the 1995 documentary Guru Busters. Here is a write up and some film clips: www.eagletv.co.uk/home/guru.htmwww.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UseVlKv3Awww.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2D6C82AA61986624&feature=plcp
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Post by nebsen on Jun 30, 2012 21:25:50 GMT -5
Thank you Dr. Spock for your input ! I thought this was between Anansi & I. I'm sure their are many fakes in this world purporting to be many things, including in the East, they come a dime a dozen.But, I'm a firm believer that the 5 senses can not explain all phenomena in this world .
Their are things that we can not just explain away using deductive reasoning, this I do know for sure ! The video I included, one can believe or not, for it's just a video. It was just posted to open up the possibilities, just like video's that Anansi post on UFO's, one is free to believe, or not !
I need you, nor anyone else to tell me, what is real in this world or not. Including with all due respect, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima from something he wrote in 1983. We all have a way of knowing & being in this world, mine might be different from yours, but it works for me, just like yours work for you.Their is no wrong or right in this matter, for they are, are just judgements in the end. Remember, "We all see through a glass darkly". Now can you put Anansi back on the line big brother.
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Post by anansi on Jun 30, 2012 23:53:37 GMT -5
Concerning the above video I included. Why be so cynical ! It could be real . We know their are Shamans in deepest Africa that that have powers we in the west would see as not real . We seem to defer to the East when it comes to feats of mind over matter why not in Africa? Have we been so brain washed ? Why is it that we can support a belief in UFO's & aliens & not things done on Mother Earth ? I personally believe in "Both And" ! Asia does not get a pass from me either,I only have to remember Aum Shinrikyo and their top guy Asahara who defied the laws of physics but ended up killing dozens of subway riders in Tokyo some yrs back. Concerning UFOs and off-world visitors, they may bend the laws of this universe but not break them no matter how seemingly advanced they appeared to be,eg creating a worm hole while extremely difficult and costly in terms of energy usage for us is not impossible and still operate within the law. Although it is said that any sufficiently advanced civilization could do things that are indistinguishable from magic, if I were to take a Zippo lighter back in time say 50kyrs ago,I would be made a fire god but we all know how a Zippo lighter works.
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Post by nebsen on Jul 1, 2012 2:02:39 GMT -5
Bend, break,control, what's the difference ? whats the saying" Laws are made to be broken". Look I have nothing to prove in terms of having a allergic reaction to the word "Magic" being used in the 21century ! In my world view magic can coexist along with Science, & logic. I'm not applying for tenure at some prestigious university.Or living in the " Dark Ages" & fearing if I use the word magic I'll be burned at the stake . Nor I'm I fearful by being a person of African descent that the word magic will confer a status on me of being a primitive or a savage. If magic makes some uncomfortable, than use the word spiritualty, Oh, I forgot some people don't like that either. I'm going to use the word magic when I see fit, & believe in it, for I feel the world( universe) is a magical place, so be it; that's just me. This concludes all I'm going to say on the matter & topic. It's time to move on !
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Post by mendeman on Jul 1, 2012 11:35:52 GMT -5
Do you really believe he was defying the laws of gravity or was it a trick of camera,light and shadows I have never suggested leaving the nuts and bolts aspect out nor common sense ,let the physical laws remain in place as we know it but the operation of the mind and consciousness is a different story the third eye or eye of Horus as per the Kemetians comes into play here remember the thread header is Magical Egypt,they did not separate their magic from their science. My Brother, I am not saying that video is true, but to rely on western "science" to debunk something, to me, is a faulty approach. European science relies on a understanding of physicalness, while ignoring those unseen forces that make physical reality possible. My point is, it is very limited (western science). They also rely on rationalization and the problem with that is, rationalization is limited by one's own understanding. If you don't even understand the laws of the universe fully, then your ability to rationalize those things in the physical universe we do not fully undersand, becomes faulty, as well. Remember how foolish and arrogant these Europeans are. They are the same ones who told Africans they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Gorillas existing. Never mind Africans live there and have seen it themselves. They are the same ones who said, the blacks who lived in EGypt and clearly were the older population couldn't have built the ancient empire. My point is, their over reliance on the physical world and their inherent arrogances make using them as a base for comparing and contrasting a bad idea. Now, am I saying the levitation is real? NO, I am just saying, don't rely on Eurocentric Science to be your guiding force, it will only limit you.
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