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Post by mendeman on Jul 1, 2012 11:37:37 GMT -5
Bend, break,control, what's the difference ? whats the saying" Laws are made to be broken". Look I have nothing to prove in terms of having a allergic reaction to the word "Magic" being used in the 21century ! In my world view magic can coexist along with Science, & logic. I'm not applying for tenure at some prestigious university.Or living in the " Dark Ages" & fearing if I use the word magic I'll be burned at the stake . Nor I'm I fearful by being a person of African descent that the word magic will confer a status on me of being a primitive or a savage. If magic makes some uncomfortable, than use the word spiritualty, Oh, I forgot some people don't like that either. I'm going to use the word magic when I see fit, & believe in it, for I feel the world( universe) is a magical place, so be it; that's just me. This concludes all I'm going to say on the matter & topic. It's time to move on ! My brother, you are looking at this wrong. The laws are not made to be broken. They are made to be understood and harnessed. They are only being "broken" in the minds of the Europeans when something doesn't work according to how their extremely young and extremely inaccurate pseudo science told them it should. Remember they worship the physical world with understanding the hidden forces behind it. Where as African religions are nothing more than spiritualized science.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jul 1, 2012 12:06:25 GMT -5
Thank you Dr. Spock for your input ! I thought this was between Anansi & I. I'm sure their are many fakes in this world purporting to be many things, including in the East, they come a dime a dozen.But, I'm a firm believer that the 5 senses can not explain all phenomena in this world .
Their are things that we can not just explain away using deductive reasoning, this I do know for sure ! The video I included, one can believe or not, for it's just a video. It was just posted to open up the possibilities, just like video's that Anansi post on UFO's, one is free to believe, or not !
I need you, nor anyone else to tell me, what is real in this world or not. Including with all due respect, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima from something he wrote in 1983. We all have a way of knowing & being in this world, mine might be different from yours, but it works for me, just like yours work for you.Their is no wrong or right in this matter, for they are, are just judgements in the end. Remember, "We all see through a glass darkly". Now can you put Anansi back on the line big brother. OK Mr. Spook Let's get something straight, last time I checked this was a public forum. That means anything anybody posts in a thread is subject to reply from any forum member. If you want replies only from Anansi then you should make a PM not a post. 21st century science can explain things that 19th century science could not and what's now without explanation awaits discovery. Just like you said " I need you, nor anyone else to tell me, what is real in this world or not." to me, you need to know the same applies to you and your Dr. Ligon with all due respect. You don't dictate what's real either. And there is what's correct or incorrect in all matters. As I said "magic" is personal not collective and thus never has and never will serve any societal goal. If your premise is the practical realities of any of ancient Egypt's physical wonders is due in any part to magic rather than science then that is wrong. What Africans have acheived in medicine, architecture, psychology, metallurgy, astronomy, etc., is due to five senses empiricism. High time to acknowledge native African science is not hokey pokey. Africa has and still does suffer greatly from believers in magic and spookism. Hundreds of old ladies are murdered yearly gruesomely killed by those condemning them as witches. How many tens of thousands have died and anti-colonial movements failed due to the magical belief that bullets can be turned into water? "The maji is a lie!"" What use is belief in something that holds people back from progress and encourages criminal acts against innocents and turns adolescent males into drugged out killer militiamen and condones cannabalism? This is the reality of magical Africa. These are rights vs wrongs that can't be ignored in African reality when contemplating magic and the day to day on the ground use of magic belief in Africa and its evil effects. You like Old School music? Think Stevie Wonder -- "When you believe in things you don't understand then you suffer, superstition ain't the way."
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jul 1, 2012 12:27:48 GMT -5
Anyway, I have seen with my own eyes and car full of witnesses what appeared inexplicable. A young man paying absolutely no attention to the traffic took three or four steps onto the south bound lanes of the West Side Hi-way in Manhattan's Upper West Side. We all gasped he'll be run over. But his very next footfall was safely across all lanes and on the grass next to the north bound lanes. One girl said, "I didn't see that." But we all did see it. The man never once lifted his head and just kept walking his slow pace in a northeasterly direction.
Magic or science? Personal manipulation of the space-time attributes of relativity like an infinitesimal wormhole. Not science because no machinery was involved yet his act is scientifically plausible.
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Post by anansi on Jul 1, 2012 21:43:28 GMT -5
Anyway, I have seen with my own eyes and car full of witnesses what appeared inexplicable. A young man paying absolutely no attention to the traffic took three or four steps onto the south bound lanes of the West Side Hi-way in Manhattan's Upper West Side. We all gasped he'll be run over. But his very next footfall was safely across all lanes and on the grass next to the north bound lanes. One girl said, "I didn't see that." But we all did see it. The man never once lifted his head and just kept walking his slow pace in a northeasterly direction. Magic or science? Personal manipulation of the space-time attributes of relativity like an infinitesimal wormhole. Not science because no machinery was involved yet his act is scientifically plausible. Luck sayz I.
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Post by anansi on Jul 1, 2012 22:31:55 GMT -5
Do you really believe he was defying the laws of gravity or was it a trick of camera,light and shadows I have never suggested leaving the nuts and bolts aspect out nor common sense ,let the physical laws remain in place as we know it but the operation of the mind and consciousness is a different story the third eye or eye of Horus as per the Kemetians comes into play here remember the thread header is Magical Egypt,they did not separate their magic from their science. My Brother, I am not saying that video is true, but to rely on western "science" to debunk something, to me, is a faulty approach. European science relies on a understanding of physicalness, while ignoring those unseen forces that make physical reality possible. My point is, it is very limited (western science). They also rely on rationalization and the problem with that is, rationalization is limited by one's own understanding. If you don't even understand the laws of the universe fully, then your ability to rationalize those things in the physical universe we do not fully undersand, becomes faulty, as well. Remember how foolish and arrogant these Europeans are. They are the same ones who told Africans they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Gorillas existing. Never mind Africans live there and have seen it themselves. They are the same ones who said, the blacks who lived in EGypt and clearly were the older population couldn't have built the ancient empire. My point is, their over reliance on the physical world and their inherent arrogances make using them as a base for comparing and contrasting a bad idea. Now, am I saying the levitation is real? NO, I am just saying, don't rely on Eurocentric Science to be your guiding force, it will only limit you. Mendeman I know European's knowledge of things is not the all and end all ,they and others constantly get information and updated their body of knowledge from Africans for thousands of yrs to the present, most of the time without acknowledgement and they still do today if you haven't done so check out the vids posted by myself and Nesben that said unless we are dealing in quantum physics and quantum mechanics where things get weird like a Salvador Dali painting Where classical physics breaks down, but we are entering into the world of the metaphysical seen in the works of African arts inspiring Picasso These are the outward manifestation of tapping into the altered states, Africans have been looking into that world for thousands of years and understood it,Europeans are just now rediscovering it. My example of taking a zippo lighter back in time 50kyrs ago while sophisticated and awe inspiring to the locals non the least worked on the same principle they have of rubbing two sticks together over flammable material..friction plus fuel.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jul 2, 2012 9:45:51 GMT -5
Anyway, I have seen with my own eyes and car full of witnesses what appeared inexplicable. A young man paying absolutely no attention to the traffic took three or four steps onto the south bound lanes of the West Side Hi-way in Manhattan's Upper West Side. We all gasped he'll be run over. But his very next footfall was safely across all lanes and on the grass next to the north bound lanes. One girl said, "I didn't see that." But we all did see it. The man never once lifted his head and just kept walking his slow pace in a northeasterly direction. Magic or science? Personal manipulation of the space-time attributes of relativity like an infinitesimal wormhole. Not science because no machinery was involved yet his act is scientifically plausible. Luck sayz I. OK, but ... The man crossed 6 hiway traffic lanes in 4 footfalls. One passenger denied her eyes. The other passengers told her, "Yes you did see it." This man was a mystic not a trickster or illusionist. He wasn't performing a parlor trick for an audience neither onlookers nor film crew. There's no such thing as an infinitesimal wormhole but entangled particles are proved by quantum mechanics. If separated, two entangled particles continue to share state changes instantaneously across any measure of distance. The partner of an entagled particle can be made into an exact copy of a particle interacting with its partner at which time that interacting particle will no longer exist at its starting point only at the distant place as the now transformed former entangled particle. Taking away magic and proffering quantum science, the hiway crosser ceased to exist at the point where he stepped onto the hiway and began existence anew where he stepped out of the hiway. Anyone accomplishing teleportation that way, though plausible per quantum mechanics, is either a mystic, an alien, from the future, or I don't know, you tell me, because currently science can only teleport photons by that method, transforming a distant entangled particle.
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Post by mendeman on Jul 3, 2012 7:46:50 GMT -5
My Brother, I am not saying that video is true, but to rely on western "science" to debunk something, to me, is a faulty approach. European science relies on a understanding of physicalness, while ignoring those unseen forces that make physical reality possible. My point is, it is very limited (western science). They also rely on rationalization and the problem with that is, rationalization is limited by one's own understanding. If you don't even understand the laws of the universe fully, then your ability to rationalize those things in the physical universe we do not fully undersand, becomes faulty, as well. Remember how foolish and arrogant these Europeans are. They are the same ones who told Africans they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Gorillas existing. Never mind Africans live there and have seen it themselves. They are the same ones who said, the blacks who lived in EGypt and clearly were the older population couldn't have built the ancient empire. My point is, their over reliance on the physical world and their inherent arrogances make using them as a base for comparing and contrasting a bad idea. Now, am I saying the levitation is real? NO, I am just saying, don't rely on Eurocentric Science to be your guiding force, it will only limit you. Mendeman I know European's knowledge of things is not the all and end all ,they and others constantly get information and updated their body of knowledge from Africans for thousands of yrs to the present, most of the time without acknowledgement and they still do today if you haven't done so check out the vids posted by myself and Nesben that said unless we are dealing in quantum physics and quantum mechanics where things get weird like a Salvador Dali painting Where classical physics breaks down, but we are entering into the world of the metaphysical seen in the works of African arts inspiring Picasso These are the outward manifestation of tapping into the altered states, Africans have been looking into that world for thousands of years and understood it,Europeans are just now rediscovering it. My example of taking a zippo lighter back in time 50kyrs ago while sophisticated and awe inspiring to the locals non the least worked on the same principle they have of rubbing two sticks together over flammable material..friction plus fuel. You should read this book www.amazon.com/The-Science-Dogon-Decoding-Tradition/dp/1594771332/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341319566&sr=8-1&keywords=dogon/url]
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