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Post by azrur on Oct 8, 2013 1:28:29 GMT -5
they invade the egypt
who were they where are they from who are ancestors?
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Post by anansi on Oct 8, 2013 11:02:01 GMT -5
they invade the egypt who were they where are they from who are ancestors? The peoples of the sea were a conglomerate of folks displaced by the Trojan Wars, as far as I can tell they made allies with the Libyans to the west of Kemet and all was defeated by Merneptah who according to Diop settle those refugees among them perhaps giving rise to the lite skinned Libyans. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 8, 2013 16:17:31 GMT -5
in the egypt art hieroglyph they libyan are portrayed as light skinned such as book of gates is it known if the book of gates is before or after the sea people invade? i think before because the cloth of libyans in book of gate is similar to cloth of all berber
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Post by anansi on Oct 9, 2013 0:13:55 GMT -5
in the egypt art hieroglyph they libyan are portrayed as light skinned such as book of gates is it known if the book of gates is before or after the sea people invade? i think before because the cloth of libyans in book of gate is similar to cloth of all berber They came during the time of Merneptah the same time that the book of gates was made however it's just one of the possible reasons for lite-skinned Libyans to pop-up,however more ancient version of the Libyans looked like this although dressed in Kemetian garb.  Libyan of the Daklah oasis   Btw I found interesting that the Amazigh symbol is similar to the Dogan Kananga mask. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 9, 2013 14:54:56 GMT -5
in the egypt art hieroglyph they libyan are portrayed as light skinned such as book of gates is it known if the book of gates is before or after the sea people invade? i think before because the cloth of libyans in book of gate is similar to cloth of all berber They came during the time of Merneptah the same time that the book of gates was made however it's just one of the possible reasons for lite-skinned Libyans to pop-up,however more ancient version of the Libyans looked like this although dressed in Kemetian garb. Libyan of the Daklah oasis Btw I found interesting that the Amazigh symbol is similar to the Dogan Kananga mask. are you sure it is not fulani? on the old egypt search a great many include ms dana use picture of fulani as libya if not fulani it is interesting of oasis, the berber in siwa oasis egypt are very dark skinned  if you are refer to the yaz of flag made by the canary people the symbol is aza, letter z of the tifinagh |
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Post by azrur on Oct 9, 2013 14:59:08 GMT -5
is the pharoah of libya descend ramesses the great before or after the sea peoples invade?
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Post by anansi on Oct 9, 2013 15:28:21 GMT -5
is the pharoah of libya descend ramesses the great before or after the sea peoples invade? Who said the Ramses is of Libyan ancestry,in any case the first Ramses was before the invasion of the sea people his son fought them off. My point being that the Amazigh came from the same cultural incubator as did the Dogon and others from the Sahara despite some being very lite-skinned today especially those on the coast who are of apparent mixed ancestry. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 9, 2013 15:43:05 GMT -5
is the pharoah of libya descend ramesses the great before or after the sea peoples invade? Who said the Ramses is of Libyan ancestry,in any case the first Ramses was before the invasion of the sea people his son fought them off. My point being that the Amazigh came from the same cultural incubator as did the Dogon and others from the Sahara despite some being very lite-skinned today especially those on the coast who are of apparent mixed ancestry. ramesses II is always said to be of libyan i do not think dogon is same culture incubator as amazigh as their history as they say it place them coming from south and moving north the light skin amazigh i see no evidence of being not amazigh or any convincing theory of how they are not so |
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Post by anansi on Oct 9, 2013 16:08:17 GMT -5
Who said the Ramses is of Libyan ancestry,in any case the first Ramses was before the invasion of the sea people his son fought them off. My point being that the Amazigh came from the same cultural incubator as did the Dogon and others from the Sahara despite some being very lite-skinned today especially those on the coast who are of apparent mixed ancestry. ramesses II is always said to be of libyan i do not think dogon is same culture incubator as amazigh as their history as they say it place them coming from south and moving north the light skin amazigh i see no evidence of being not amazigh or any convincing theory of how they are not so Look up the green phase of the Sahara. and saying Ramese is Libyan is only hearsay not fact. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1483/discovery-ancient-grave-sahara-predatesExcellent post by Truthteacher |
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Post by azrur on Oct 9, 2013 16:13:36 GMT -5
ramesses II is always said to be of libyan i do not think dogon is same culture incubator as amazigh as their history as they say it place them coming from south and moving north the light skin amazigh i see no evidence of being not amazigh or any convincing theory of how they are not so Look up the green phase of the Sahara. and saying Ramese is Libyan is only hearsay not fact. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1483/discovery-ancient-grave-sahara-predatesExcellent post by Truthteacher ok, i had seen many people saying he is of libyan but never anything on wikipedia and yes the sahara was not always desert but what does it do with dogon? they are from below mali according to their history |
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Post by anansi on Oct 13, 2013 19:25:26 GMT -5
ok, i had seen many people saying he is of libyan but never anything on wikipedia and yes the sahara was not always desert but what does it do with dogon? they are from below mali according to their history What you are missing is the present population of Africans including the Dogons migrated south after the Sahara became dry a pity you reject genetic studies but oh well!! |
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 19:38:21 GMT -5
ok, i had seen many people saying he is of libyan but never anything on wikipedia and yes the sahara was not always desert but what does it do with dogon? they are from below mali according to their history What you are missing is the present population of Africans including the Dogons migrated south after the Sahara became dry a pity you reject genetic studies but oh well!! are you have the evidence from it ? the dogon history as they say it is them from the below mali and yes i think you are correct that many move south after sahara become desert |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Oct 14, 2013 11:23:13 GMT -5
What you are missing is the present population of Africans including the Dogons migrated south after the Sahara became dry a pity you reject genetic studies but oh well!! are you have the evidence from it ? the dogon history as they say it is them from the below mali and yes i think you are correct that many move south after sahara become desert It is not impossible that they have ancestry from both directions. Their most ancient ancestors could very well have been people who migrated south after the Sahara began to change, while at a later period another group who originated south moved into the area and settled there, intermarrying with the earlier population. The realities of life are always complex. Nothing is ever cut and dry and simple and there are always multiple explanations for how things, especially identities are formed. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 17:01:09 GMT -5
are you have the evidence from it ? the dogon history as they say it is them from the below mali and yes i think you are correct that many move south after sahara become desert It is not impossible that they have ancestry from both directions. Their most ancient ancestors could very well have been people who migrated south after the Sahara began to change, while at a later period another group who originated south moved into the area and settled there, intermarrying with the earlier population. The realities of life are always complex. Nothing is ever cut and dry and simple and there are always multiple explanations for how things, especially identities are formed. that may be but as you say but would it not be more likely that the berber have common ancestor with people like egypt beja ethiopian? |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Oct 15, 2013 0:31:47 GMT -5
It is not impossible that they have ancestry from both directions. Their most ancient ancestors could very well have been people who migrated south after the Sahara began to change, while at a later period another group who originated south moved into the area and settled there, intermarrying with the earlier population. The realities of life are always complex. Nothing is ever cut and dry and simple and there are always multiple explanations for how things, especially identities are formed. that may be but as you say but would it not be more likely that the berber have common ancestor with people like egypt beja ethiopian? If we take into consideration that when the Sahara began to dry up it created refugees who migrated in all directions. Some moved north, some south and some towards the East. So Yes, the Berbers have common ancestors with Egyptians, the Beja and Eithiopians, but they also share a common ancestor with people in certain areas of West Africa as well. It is not impossible that the Dogon my be one of their distant relatives. What we do know for certain according to DNA evidence is that North Africans share a common male ancestor with over 70% of all Africans. If there are any studies of Dogon Y ancestry, we could see if they share the PN2 transition, or any maternal lines that would link them to Saharan or other East African populations. Perhaps someone here knows where to find that information. |
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