Hapi Valley Origins and Dispersal of "Niger-Congo speakers"

[truthteacher2007]

Mar 4, 2014 1:22:20 GMT -5 asante said:

In Ancient Egypt, Leopard skins were worn by individuals who possessed great spiritual knowledge and power, thus members of the priesthood and the pharaoh who was a high priest, wore them.




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Yes. And long before anyone ever migrated into Egypt, or the Nile Valley people in Africa below the Sahara were wearing leopard skins. The Egyptians got the idea from those older African cultures, not the other way around. It's like trying to say Rap was invented on the West Coast and they introduced it to the Bronx...... All this proves is what we already know Egyptians wete Africans and if you take the time to look you will find tons of proof to show they had far mre in common wit other African cultures than they did with any culture in Western Asia. Doesn't prove they got the party started.

[asante]

Mar 4, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

I don't blame you for being heated at the parts of my post that are heated, however, that doesn't negate the fact that I made some very valid points in that comment.

Valid points? I'm waiting on you to respond to my valid points that you ran from a month ago. Remember your silly azz couldn't do ish but make an emotional outburst because I said "olive stuffed nostrils"...Remember? Those last two post was just you repeating the same ish I refuted in the post that you cried about.



Boy GTFO!

[asante]

Mar 4, 2014 10:45:21 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

Yes. And long before anyone ever migrated into Egypt, or the Nile Valley people in Africa below the Sahara were wearing leopard skins.

That might be the case. The question is however where were we before ancient Egypt and the ancient Sahara? That answer is Nubia (Sudan) (and prior to that the ancestral population to the 'M' lineage "Anu"/us and Ethiopic populations was likely closer to Zaire on the Nile.) When we expanded northward into Nubia/Sudan and then Egypt/Western Desert:






Of course we also expanded into Northwestern Africa as well because our population were apart of the original Berber populations as a result of Niger-Congo-Afrisan migration. This is attested to by the Negroid remains of ancient Saharan Berber populations.

In the sum, the results obtained further strengthen the results from previous analyses. The affinities between Nazlet Khater, MSA, and Khoisan and Khoisan related groups re-emerges.In addition it is possible to detect a separation between North African and sub-saharan populations, with the Neolithic Saharan population from Hasi el Abiod and the Egyptian Badarian group being closely affiliated with modern Negroid groups. Similarly, the Epipaleolithic populations from Site 117 and Wadi Halfa are also affiliated with sub-Saharan LSA, Iron Age and modern Negroid groups rather than with contemporaneous North African populations such as Taforalt and the Ibero-maurusian.
---Pierre M. Vermeersch in Palaeolithic quarrying sites in Upper and Middle Egypt

The question that your silly ideas do not like to tackle is HOW in the Hell "negroid" us ended up in Algeria during the neolithic? Both this has already been explained:




The descendants of these Berbers are the Muslims of West Africa today (Sengal-Gambia) who were formerly the Moors. Now please explain to everybody reading the problem that you have with the common sense above? Doesn't it account for our presence throughout history that others wish to tell us is unknown until a relatively recent time? Perhaps this is what is meant when it is said that "We have been written out of history"? Also look at those southern European islands. Go back look at the coins and scarabs from very ancient Europe (prior to 2,000 BC). This also explains Dhar Tichitt (look at the map). 

Mar 4, 2014 10:45:21 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

The Egyptians got the idea from those older African cultures, not the other way around.

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To sum up, Nubia is Egypt’s African ancestor. What linked Ancient Egypt to the rest of the North African cultures is this strong tie with the Nubian pastoral nomadic lifestyle, the same pastoral background commonly shared by most of the ancient Saharan and modern sub-Saharan societies. Thus, not only did Nubia have a prominent role in the origin of Ancient Egypt, it was also a key area for the origin of the entire African pastoral tradition.

Get on!

[truthteacher2007]

Mar 4, 2014 14:58:42 GMT -5 asante said:

Mar 4, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

I don't blame you for being heated at the parts of my post that are heated, however, that doesn't negate the fact that I made some very valid points in that comment.

Valid points? I'm waiting on you to respond to my valid points that you ran from a month ago. Remember your silly azz couldn't do ish but make an emotional outburst because I said "olive stuffed nostrils"...Remember? Those last two post was just you repeating the same ish I refuted in the post that you cried about.



Boy GTFO!

I've answered a lot of the points from then in my subsequent posts. One of your points was trying to make a connection with the Osiris spinal column, (can't remember what it's called) and the egungun festival in Nigeria. I gave a very detailed explanation as to what that is. You choose to ignore it and make personal attacks and call me names. I don't have time to go through every single picture you post to refute it. Besides, others have already answered you on those points, so why do I need to as well.

There isn't anyone here with an education who will disagree with my position, which once again, is that I am willing to revise my opinion if given suficient evidence. Anyone who had ever been on a debate team or taken a communications class in collage will tell you that when you create an argument, the next thing you have to do is put yourself in the position of your biggest detractor and pick it apart as best you can. Why? Because it helps you to see where your waeknesses are and how to make a water tight argument. It teaches you to cover all your bases. But then again, I'm talking to someone who stated that he doesn't use logic or common sense so....

And by the way, you never did answer my question, what the hell did you mean by olive stuffed nostrils? I can't see how someone who proports to be pro black can use such an insulting term to describe our fellow Africans, can you explain? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to know.

[asante]

Mar 5, 2014 0:17:40 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

I've answered a lot of the points from then in my subsequent posts.

Why are you lying? You didn't answer a damn thing! You ran away from responding to my argument, because you have no valid refutation to the points that I've made. All you did was throw a mini temper tantrum, which tends to indicates that you are emotionally attached to your BS argument. Pointing out the major craters (well past holes) in your counter theory ("Ife Ife") like the disperal of the Yoruba paternal lineage M2 coming from Eastern Africa (Sudan/Kush) along the Nile still doesn't stop you.

I don't have time to go through every single picture you post to refute it.

Smdh! Do you know how ridiculous you sound? This is the reason why I tend to ignore people like you. 

There isn't anyone here with an education who will disagree with my position, which once again, is that I am willing to revise my opinion if given suficient evidence. Anyone who had ever been on a debate team or taken a communications class in collage will tell you that when you create an argument, the next thing you have to do is put yourself in the position of your biggest detractor and pick it apart as best you can.

Dude I'm well past the "Horner" and the later "Nilotic" mania phases that ES was known for before DNAtribes. You see DNA was the true game changer in this Egyptian "dilemma". Before the Amarna DNAtribes edition you would have been ridiculed pretty much everywhere for suggesting that ancient Egypt had anything to do with equatorial M2 lineage carrying Niger-Congo speaking "negroid" Africans. Basically we had to associate ourselves with ancient Egypt through mutual "Africanity" kinship with those other Africans, so there was little to no pride in US as a distinct African people. That's why on ES the most atypical West/Central Africans (Fulani and Tusis) would get their own threads just to show that WE could look like them. Some of us fell for the lie to "ignore" art that the statuary of ancient Egyptian pharaohs were mostly "Horner" or gracile types...that's BS it's US US US (90%+ of royalty). So basically this is an evolved stance on my part.

And by the way, you never did answer my question, what the hell did you mean by olive stuffed nostrils? I can't see how someone who proports to be pro black can use such an insulting term to describe our fellow Africans, can you explain?

Black people like to joke sometimes...that's just us.

[anansi]

OK!! keep it civil guys enough of the arguing with pics not essential to the topic,the thread is an interesting one where all can learn a lil something from..

[truthteacher2007]

You do realize that every single thing you've posted here supports what I've been saying all along.

Mar 4, 2014 15:24:25 GMT -5 asante said:

Mar 4, 2014 10:45:21 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

Yes. And long before anyone ever migrated into Egypt, or the Nile Valley people in Africa below the Sahara were wearing leopard skins.

That might be the case. The question is however where were we before ancient Egypt and the ancient Sahara? That answer is Nubia (Sudan) (and prior to that the ancestral population to the 'M' lineage "Anu"/us and Ethiopic populations was likely closer to Zaire on the Nile.) When we expanded northward into Egypt/Western Desert:



And once again you post a video that's saying what I said. There were cultures and civilizations in the south that predate Egypt. Some of those people migrated into the Nile Valley. But did you catch the part where they said that one branch migrated into West Africa? Earlier you posted a video by Van Sertima where he specifically said that Egypt was not the originator of cultural traits found in West Africa, but that it inherited those traits from an older parent civilization that the two shared in common.




And now this. Remember earlier in the post when I said that the Sahara was more populated during the green phase than the Nile Vally and that some of those people migrated into West Africa, some to the Nile Valley. You told me basically I was full of... how do you put it? ish?

Of course we also expanded into Northwestern Africa as well because our population were apart of the original Berber populations as a result of Niger-Congo-Afrisan migration. This is attested to by the Negroid remains of ancient Saharan Berber populations.

In the sum, the results obtained further strengthen the results from previous analyses. The affinities between Nazlet Khater, MSA, and Khoisan and Khoisan related groups re-emerges.In addition it is possible to detect a separation between North African and sub-saharan populations, with the Neolithic Saharan population from Hasi el Abiod and the Egyptian Badarian group being closely affiliated with modern Negroid groups. Similarly, the Epipaleolithic populations from Site 117 and Wadi Halfa are also affiliated with sub-Saharan LSA, Iron Age and modern Negroid groups rather than with contemporaneous North African populations such as Taforalt and the Ibero-maurusian.
---Pierre M. Vermeersch in Palaeolithic quarrying sites in Upper and Middle Egypt

The question that your silly ideas do not like to tackle is HOW in the Hell "negroid" us ended up in Algeria during the neolithic? Both this has already been explained:

Gee. Let me take a silly ass guess...... Maybe they walked there? Did I get it right? Yeah, uhm ever heard of Juan Mahujaj, The mystery of the black mummy. We've known that since 1950 something, NEXT!




As for this map.... You are aware of the fact that this is a map showing the spread of Afro Asiatic languages, not proto Bantu? I never addressed this before because I just thought it was obvious. I see the journey starting in the Rift Valley, going into the Horn of Africa, then one branch goes west, to Chad, while the other goes north into the Nile Valley. There's another branch that goes north west and then down into West Africa, most likely Mali and Niger. Where does it show anything going from Egypt into West Africa?

The descendants of these Berbers are the Muslims of West Africa today (Sengal-Gambia) who were formerly the Moors. Now please explain to everybody reading the problem that you have with the common sense above? Doesn't it account for our presence throughout history that others wish to tell us is unknown until a relatively recent time? Perhaps this is what is meant when it is said that "We have been written out of history"? Also look at those southern European islands. Go back look at the coins and scarabs from very ancient Europe (prior to 2,000 BC). This also explains Dhar Tichitt (look at the map). 

What makes you think that anyone doesn't know that there has been an African presence throughout the Mediterrainian and Europe since antiquity? This is not news. Everyone knows this. They were in Crete, they were in Greece, they were in Anatolia and Cannan. They were all throughout every section of the Roman Empire including England. There were considerably large communities in Spain, Portugal, France and England during the Renaisance. There were and still are communities in Turkish Cypress and Palestine and Jordan around the areas of Jericho especially. They are still in Iraq, and as far East as India and Pakistan. Anyone with half a brain who can pick up a book or do a youtube search knows this, so whose been written out of history? Are you still stuck on the fact that they denied our achievements in the past? WHY? All this information has come to light. Any educated person knows this. The only ones still trying to deny this are nut jobs like those on Storm front. Who the hell gives a fk what anybody on storm front thinks?

Just because I do't believe Egypt is the be all and end all doesn't mean I think Africa had no history. It's the opposite. I believe that Egypt is the best known, but not the only one. Further more, a lot of those other civilizations were more advanced than Egypt in certain areas. For example, in the Congo, healers knew the need of using antiseptic before doing surgery. They had the ability to perform cesarians where both mother and child lived after the opperation. The West African civilizations developed and mastered techniques of smelting iron, the Egyptians didn't. If we take the time to look at these civilizations on their own terms, there is a lot that we will learn. The problem is that the rest of Africa's civilizations are laregly ignored because everyone is so enchanted with Egypt they never stop to imagine there's anything worth looking for anywhere else in Africa and that is one of the objections that I have to this everything came from Egypt idea.

Mar 4, 2014 10:45:21 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

The Egyptians got the idea from those older African cultures, not the other way around.

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To sum up, Nubia is Egypt’s African ancestor. What linked Ancient Egypt to the rest of the North African cultures is this strong tie with the Nubian pastoral nomadic lifestyle, the same pastoral background commonly shared by most of the ancient Saharan and modern sub-Saharan societies. Thus, not only did Nubia have a prominent role in the origin of Ancient Egypt, it was also a key area for the origin of the entire African pastoral tradition.

Get on!

Nubia is the parent of Egypt, or one of its parents, but Nubia is the child of an older culture as well. It had many brothers and sisters. Some of those brothers and sisters went west, while some went north into the Nile Valley and the Sahara, or, into the Sahara and then into the Valley when it dried up.

[asante]

Mar 5, 2014 1:42:31 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

Nubia is the parent of Egypt, or one of its parents, but Nubia is the child of an older culture as well. It had many brothers and sisters. Some of those brothers and sisters went west, while some went north into the Nile Valley and the Sahara, or, into the Sahara and then into the Valley when it dried up.

^^ Not to keep being mean, but that just sounds like a fantasy that you're holding out for. And in you trying to hold out for this fantasy you are ignoring the realities based on facts that have been presented to you. Nothing more than emotions are driving your argument. That should tell you something. The older Nilotic Sahara culture and civilization (Yam) were discussed here.

[truthteacher2007]

Mar 5, 2014 1:51:24 GMT -5 asante said:

Mar 5, 2014 1:42:31 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

Nubia is the parent of Egypt, or one of its parents, but Nubia is the child of an older culture as well. It had many brothers and sisters. Some of those brothers and sisters went west, while some went north into the Nile Valley and the Sahara, or, into the Sahara and then into the Valley when it dried up.

^^ Not to keep being mean, but that just sounds like a fantasy that you're holding out for. And in you trying to hold out for this fantasy you are ignoring the realities based on facts that have been presented to you. Nothing more than emotions are driving your argument. That should tell you something. The older Nilotic Sahara culture and civilization (Yam) were discussed here.

How is it a fantasy when it's backed up by the very materials you've posted? Do you think that human life began in Nubia? We both know it didn't. Were'nt you the one who posted the video about the Oshongbo bone? Wasn't that culture much older than Nubia? Didn't it say that those people migrated up from the CEntral African Lakes region into Nubia and Egypt? The very first thing they said in the video that YOU posted was that this was a civilization far older than Egypt. So how am I holding onto a fantasy.

Aren't you the one who posted the map showing the spread of Afro Asiatic languages and the path of migration from the Rift Valley into the Sahara, the Nile, and the Horn of Africa? Aren't you the one who posted the quote stating that the Pastoral culture of Nubia originated with earlier groups is the south?

The one who is being emotional is you. Every statement I've made is backed up with some sort of information, even the information that you yourself have presented. So why don't you address the issues I've raised instead of making personal emotional attacks? In the paragraphs above I laid out a series of statements taken from the very materials you presented. Could you address them please. In previous postes I gave a detailed explanation of the meaning and purpose of the Egungun festival outfit that you claimed represented the spine of Osiris. Do you care to comment on that?

I'm going to ask you to address some very specific issues. I'd appreciate it if you could do so without evading the questions by calling me emotional or accusing me of having a fantasy

1: You provide a link to an earlier page in this thread. One in which you try to make connections with the Yoruba language and Coptic. Looking through the very long list I can see a few mistakes. The word for fire is Ayina. I know this because in all our prayers we give homage to the natural elements: Mojuba Ayina = I give homage to the fire. A few lines down it lists Hapi, as water god and ipi a water god. Okay, in the Ifa religion there are several orishas associated with water. First and foremost: Oshun, deity of love, joy and fertility among other things. She is the owner of the fresh waters. Yemaya: divinity of motherhood, her element is the sea. Olokun: deity of wealth, abundance. He is the deepest epths of the sea. Konya, is the foam on the waves of the sea. Other mistakes I saw in the list: Min= a god - Yoruba: Emin spirit. Okay, first of all Min is not a god". Min is the name of a very specific male diety associated with fertility. He's the guy with the big dick.... The Egyptian word for deities is Ntr. There is no specific word for spirit in Yoruba. I've asked. It depends on the being. The ancestors, or guides are egun. When we speak collectively of those on the other side we speak of those who reside in ara orun, (those who reside in the world of heaven, or land of the heavens.
The word for head in Yoruba is listed as oruwo: The word is ori. Ma'at= the goddes of justice. Yoruba: Mate= the god of justice. The deity of justice in the Yoruba pantheon is Ogun, or Ogum, not Mate. There is no Orisha Mate. When you have a problem in court, with the law or a dispute where you are being wronged, you take it to Ogun. Ashe=an invocation. The word Ashe has a few meanings. The primary meaning is the life force of the universe. it's the equivalent of Chi in China, or prana in India. At the end of a prayer we will say Ashe or Adashe as a word of power to seal it.
Ita= A land junction In Ifa when you become an initiated priest you are given a reading which gives you an outline for your life, things you should do, things that you should avoid. It's more complicated that what I'm saying here, but the jist of it is that is called an Ita. Every priest receives an ita which is meant to guide them on their life's journey.

Do you care to address these contradictions?

2: Language: You keep talking about Bantu speakers, yet Bantu is not an Afro Asiatic language. Are you suggesting that Bantu or proto Bantu is ancestral to either Afro Asiatic or proto Afro Asiatic? Can you give me an explanation that doesn't involve pretty pictures please?

3: You claim Bantus migrated from Egypt to West Africa. But Egyptian is an Afro Asiatic language and you give a list of Afro Asiatic words that are supposed to correspond to Yoruba, which in a Bantu language. Now here's where it gets interesting. Yoruba is a tonal language Egyptian isn't. I invite anyone reading this to do a search on learning basic Yoruba and you will see that a word can have as much as 3 different meanings depending on the tone. Therefore, you can't write a non tonal word and have it equal the same meaning in a tonal language. High tone, medium tone or base tone will radically change the meaning of a word no matter how its spelled. This is fitting a square peg in a round hole. Can you please adress this question.

4: You link physical features with the M2 linage. Can you explain to me why only the carriers of M2 left Egypt? The Egyptian population was made up of many different physical types who all intermarried. How then is it that out of this group of mixed individuals only the M2 linage left Egypt? They had no DNA testing back then. How would they know? Are you suggesting that people were segragated according to skin color and features in Egypt? I'm just trying to understand how a group of people who were intergrated into every level of society in Egypt would all leave and not carry people of other haplogroups with them. Can you please explain this to me?

5: When and why did these M2 carriers leave Egypt? Why only them?

Lets just start with these questions for now.

Thanking you in advance for your replies.
TT

CORRECTION:For the sake of anyone reading this post at a later time, I have to make a clarification regarding the Yoruba deity of justice. In my stement above I said the deity is Ogun. In fact the correct deity is Ochosi, or Ososi since there isn't a ch in Yoruba. It's an easy mistake. There are several stages of initiation into the religion. The first is receiving the neclaces of the 5 main orisha from your godparent. This establishes your relationship to that godparent's ile, (house/community). The second stage is to receive the worriers. These include Osun, which is placed on a high level in the home. Elegua, (opener of roads), Ogun, (the blacksmith, owner of metals, the one who clears obstacles, creator of civilization and technology) and Ochosi, (the hunter, executioner of justice). The emblems of these dieties go by the door. Ogun's emblem is a cauldron in which his tools are placed. Ochosi's tool is a bow and arrow which is placed in Ogun's caldron along with Ogun's tools. Often, when we supplicate Ochosi, we include Elegua and Ogun in the conversation as they all work together. Elegua owns the roads, Ogun clears obstacles, Ochosi executes justice.
TT

[asante]

^^ You're being a coward. You want to keep trying to re-present these same moot points from the same BS counter argument as though they were not dealt with here. If you want to continue our debate then pick up where YOU ran off. My time is valuable, and you don't get to waste anymore of it. 

[truthteacher2007]

Mar 5, 2014 15:13:16 GMT -5 asante said:

^^ You're being a coward. You want to keep trying to re-present these same moot points from the same BS counter argument as though they were not dealt with here. If you want to continue our debate then pick up where YOU ran off. My time is valuable, and you don't get to waste anymore of it. 

My dear child:
The only one running is you and it is abundantly clear to anyone reading this thread. This is in no way shape or form a debate. You haven't got the intellectual capabilities neccessary for having a debate. Once again, I've asked you a series of very logical and specific questions which you refuse to answer. Cutting and pasting is not debating. Debating is being able to state an idea and then be able to explain your ideas and points when asked. Perhaps if you'd had the benifits of an education you might know this.

People such as yourself are the ones who give Afrocentricity a bad name. Although it was started by highly educated scholars and historians who spent years of research finding evidence of African cultural and historical contributions to the world, that movement has been eclipsed by soft brained morons such as yourself with half backed, ill conceived idiotic flights of fancy based on hear say, pictures and a whole lot of cultural and historical ignorance and flat out fabrication of facts that can't be substantiated. You're pathetic. You are a perfect example of why so many people refuse to take black people seriously, in short youg man, you're an idiot. Not only are you an idiot, but you're the worse kind of idiot there is, one who is incapable of seeing or admitting he's mistaken.

Your view of the world is not based on fact, but fantasy. And like all fantasy mongers, what you require of people is blind faith. You're like a delusional priest that tells a child to shut up and just believe when they ask a question about some ilogical piece of dogma. Had you the ability to even try to answer one question put to you seriously instead of whining like a miserable little bitch, I'd have some respect for you. You are beneath contempt in my eyes as is everybody like you. If anyone want's to continue listening to your bullshit, they are welcome.

You are not an Egyptian, you have no claim or connection in any way shape or form to Egypt. Any half baked claims to such on your part, are born out of your own pathetic insecurity and low self esteem, which is based on the need to attach yourself to somebody elses culture and history because you've bee brain washed to believe you have none of your own. You are not only pathetic, you are wrtchedly so and the whole world sees you as nothing but a sad clown. Grow up, get an education and get a life!

[asante]

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SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS LANGUAGE AND EWE LANGUAGE OF WEST AFRICA TODAY (1 .) BY KOKOU GOUMENU AKA KAMAVI KAMITI .





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The Djed represents balance and stability. It has been interpreted as the backbone of the Egyptian god Osiris , especially in the form Banebdjedet (the ba of the lord of the Djedet) . Djedu is the Egyptian name for Busiris, a centre of the cult of Osiris.

EGYPT: DJED = STABILITY ----EWE: DJE /DJETI=STABLE/SOLID .

EGYPT: Hèdj / hè dj = WHITE ---- EWE: Hè / Hé=WHITE.

EGYPT: TA / TO = LAND ---EWE: TA /TO =LAND (EXAMPLE 1: APU TA = THE BEACH = LAND NEAR THE OCEAN . EXAMPLE 2 : ETOH TO = BEACH = LAND NEAR A LAKE OR RIVER ).

EGYPT: BA = SOUL ----EWE : BA=SOUL (EXAMPLE : DJO LE "BA" DJI NA M = DON T STAY ON MY SOUL .

EGYPT: KA=SPIRIT ---- EWE : KA = SPIRIT (EXAMPLE : AGBE KA = LIVING SPIRIT=LIFE FORCE (KA ANKH IN ANCIENT EGYPT), AND THE SERPENT WHO REPRESENT THE SPIRIT IN ANCIENT EGYPT IS CALL "KA" IN THE NIGHT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE NIGHT THAT PEOPLE SLEEP AND CONNECT THEIR SPIRITS TO THE DREAM WORLD ).

EGYPT: NOU/NOUOU/NOUT/NUN =THE SKY GODESSE ----EWE : NOU/NOUOU=SKY GODESSE (EXAMPLE 1: M TA NOU = I SWEAR TO GOD = M = I -- TA = SWEAR AND YOU TOUCHE THE GROUND/LAND WITH YOUR FINGER -- NOU =SKY GODESSE AND POINT YOUR FINGER TO THE SKY . EXAMPLE 2: NOU IN THE EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHE IS REPRESENT AS A VASE(MUD) AND IN EWE TO SAY LID (TOP OF A VASE WHO CLOSE IT ) YOU SAY "NOU" TOU=VASE CLOSER . EXEMPLE 3 : NOU/NOUOU IS THE MOTHER OF RA THE SUN IN ANGIENT EGYPT , SHE IS THE ONE BRINGT THE SUN EVERY DAY TO NEW LIFE AND IN EWE TO SAY "THE SUN IS OUT OR IT IS DAY " YOU SAY "NOU KE "= NOU OPEN HERSELF BUT IT MEAN TOO" THE MOUTH IS OPEN " AND IN ANCIENT EGYPT YOU CAN SEE IN SOME TEMPLES HOW RA=SUN IS GOING IN THE MOUTH OF GODESSE NOU/NOUT WHICH REPRESENT THE DEAD OF RA = EVENING THUS TO SAY "MOUTH IS OPEN " MEAN THE REBIRTH OF RA ).

EGYPT: RA = THE SUN GOD ---- EWE: RA=DAY THUS SUN (EXAMPLE : MONDAY = DJO "RA" =DAY OF KODJO , TUESDAY = BLA RA = DAY OF ABLA ECT...ALL SEVEN DAYS HAVE " RA" IN IT IN EWE ).

EGYPT: AKHOU / KHOU = SPIRIT OF THE DEAD ---- EWE: EKHOU/KHOU/KOU = DEATH (EXAMPLE: AKHOU / KHOU IN ANCIENT EGYPT REPRESENT THE DEAD DEAD SPIRITS WHO ARE ALLOWED TO RETURN BACK TO THE SOURCE WHO IS GOD RA=THE SUN AND IN EWE DEATH IS "EKHOU/KHOU " BUT IT MEAN ALL SO PIT (CORE) WHICH IS THE SOURCE THUS GOD AND THE SUN IS CALLED IN EWE DO "KHOU" SSOU =THE INDEPENDANT SOURCE / CORE OF FIRE AND THE EWES DO A CEREMONY FOR DEADS SPIRIT 40 DAYS LATER AFTER THEIR DEATH CALLED LU TU = CONTACT WITH THE LIGHT LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT WHERE YOU FIND THE SAME CEREMONY IN THE BOOK OF THE COMIN FORTH IN DAY LIGHT (BOOK OF THE DEAD) THUS EKHOU IN EWE AND ANCIENT EGYPT MEAN " THE JOURNEY BACK THE CORE/SOURCE/GOD/RA/THE SUN THAT S WHY THE PYRAMID (THE GRAVES) HAS THIS FORM WHO ELEVATE FROM EARTH AND COME TO ONE POINT ON THE TOP WHO IS THE SOURCE WHERE TO RETURN TO GOD RA IN HEAVEN , THIS FORM OF THE PYRAMID IS SHOWIN PEOPLE THE JOURNEY OF THE DEAD SPIRIT OF PHAROAH TRAVELLING TO THE SKY TO GO BACK TO THE UNIQUE GOD IN HEAVEN ) .

EGYPT: HOU/HU = VERB/ PRONOUNCED WORD =SOUND ---- EWE : HOU/HU/HOUN = SOUND / DRUM THUS WORDS BECAUSE THE SOUNDS OF A AFRICAN DRUM ARE CONSIDERE BY AFRICAN AS THE WORDS AND VOICE OF THE ANCESTOR/GOD .

EGYPT: SIA = PERCEPTION / IMAGINATION ---- EWE : SIA = PERCEPTION /IMAGINATION ( EXAMPLE PERCEPTION MEAN " SEEN " IN YOUR SPIRIT THUS UNDERSTANDING SO IN EWE IF YOU SAY " SIA " TO SOMEBODY YOU ARE ASK HIM/HER IF HE/SHE SEEN /PERCEIVED OR UNDERSTOOD WELL BECAUSE PERCEPTION COMES FROM THE FRENCH VERB PERCER/PERCU WHO MEAN "TO COME THROUGH
" A SECRET THUS UNDERSTANDING SO IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO UNDERSTAND/KNOW (WARNING) SOMETHING YOU SAY " SIA " AND SIA MEAN PERCEPTION AND IMAGINATION AT THE SAME TIME IN EWE TOO BECAUSE IF YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY WHO PRAISE ( BLOW ) HIMSELF " MA KPO NOU TCHAN SIA " = I M GOING TO SEE THINGS , WITH A VIEW OF YOUR GREAT LIFE EXPERIENCES COMPARED TO A IGNORAND WHO IS PRAISING HIMSELF " LIKE YOU CAN TEACH ME NOTHING I SEEN TO MUCH THINGS IN MY LIFE " BUT BECAUSE YOU USE THE FUTUR TIME TO CONVERSE THE VERB ( I M "DOING" TO SEE THINGS) MEAN "IMAGINATION " / PERCEPTION BECAUSE PERCEPTION (LIKE THE DICTIONNARYS ARE SAYIN) IS THE PRESENT RELATIF TO THE FUTUR SO YOU ARE IMAGINATE OR SEE THINGS WHO KANN HAPPEN OR HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTUR OR WHO IS HAPPENING ( WAIT(EXPECTATION)) IMAGINATION=TRYIN TO SEE IMAGES WHO YOU NEVER SEEN IN YOUR SPIRIT) .
EGYPT: MAAT/MA/MAA= BALANCE / EQUALITY / HARMONY THUS FUSION ECT---- EWE : MAA/MA=EQUALITY/BALANCE / FUSION ( EXAMPLE : IN ANCIENT EGYPT MAAT IS THE NETER OF BALANCE/TRUTH/EQALITY ECT AND HIGHES ATTRIBUT OF GOD AND GOD IN EWE IST CALLED MAA WU/MA WU = THE HIGHES TRUTH/ PRECISION ODER THE MUCH TRUTH ) .

EGYPT: P/PER= HOME/HAUS ---- EWE : Pé /PE = HOME/HAUS .

EGYPT: HEQA= MAGIQUE / IS A UNIT OF MEASURE OF THE VOLUMES (4,8 LITERS ---- EWE : HEKA/EKA=MAGIQUE / IS A UNIT OF MEASURE OF THE VOLUMES (40 GRAMME) BY THE EWE IT BEEN USE TO MEASURE FOOD LIKE REIS/MAIS AT THE MARKET .

EGYPT: SOKAR=IS A DEITY ---- EWE : SOKA=DEITY OR A GOD FORCE

EGYPT: KAM/KEM = BLACK / COAL / ACCOMPLISHMENT THUS COMPLETLY ---EWE: KA / KAMI=BLACK /COAL AND KEM MEAN COMPLETLY THUS ACCOMPLISHMENT IN EWE ( EXAMPLE : THE HIEROGLYPHE KAM / K M IN EGYPT IS THE REPRESENTATION OF A COAL THUS BLACK AND IN EWE THE WORD " KA" MEAN SPIRIT BUT COAL TOO AND WE KNOW THAT THE KA= SPIRIT IN ANCIENT EGYPT HAS A BLACK COLOR SO IN EWE KA MEAN COAL AND "KA MI" MEAN SMALL COALS WHICH LOOK LIKE COAL POWDER , "MI" IS THE PLURAL OF "M/Mé" WHO MEAN "ME" OR ONE " PERSON " IN EWE (ONE PERSON IS M/MéAND MANY PERSONS ARE "MI" ) SO WHEN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS USED THE LETTERS " K M " THUS KAM THEY ARE WRITING KA - MI = LITTLE /SMALL COALS (FRAGMENT FROM THE GREAT COAL ) IN PLURAL WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT EGYPT AS (COLLECTIVE PEOPLE) THE LAND OF BLACK PEOPLE (BLACK NATION ) AND THEY ARE WRITING KA-M / Mé WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT OSIRIS = KAM - WUR OR KEM WUR = THE GREAT BLACK , SO THE BLACK EGYPTIANS CHILDEN OF OSIRIS ARE KA-MI = SMALL COALS OF THE BIG GREAT COAL /BLACK WHO IS OSIRIS AND BEFORE WE FORGET KA MEAN SPIRIT IN ANCIENT EGYPT LIKE IN EWE TOO SO "KA MI" MEAN ALL SO CHILDREN OF THE GREAT BLACK SPIRIT = BLACK HUMANS CHILDREN OF OSIRIS/SON OF GOD BECAUSE WE HAVE A "KA"= SPIRIT AS HUMAN BEINGS . NORMALY IN EWE MANY BIG COALS TOGETHER ARE JUST CALLED KA WITHOUT THE PLURAL FORM SO " KA MI" ARE THE SMALL ONES SO WE CAN SEE THE REASON WHY THEY CALLED OSIRIS GREAT BECAUSE HE IS UNIQUE ( BECAUSE THEY SEEN THEIR GOD AS A PARENT AND BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE WITH THEIR GOD OSIRIS BECAUSE IN THE WORD UNIQUE YOU FIND THE WORD UNIFICATION ) AND WHY THEY CALL THEMSELFS "KA MI = SMALL / CHILDREN OF THE GREAT BLACK SPIRIT " BUT WHY DID THEY USE "K M" HIEROGHYPHES TO SAY "KAMI AND KAM" AT THE SAME TIME WITH NO LETTER CHANGES OR ADDICTION ? 1 . BECAUSE YOU DON T USE JUST A SINGLE COAL TO MAKE FIRE IN AFRICA THAT DON T WORK ( REAL WOOD COAL NOT LIKE THE COAL TODAY IN THE SUPERMARKET ) , 2 . WE SEEN THAT IN EWE MANY BIG COALS ARE JUST CALLED " KA" WITHOUT A PLURAL FORM BECAUSE YOU MUST HAVE MANY OF IT TO MAKE ONE FIRE BUT IF YOU WANT TO SAY "COAL POWDER " YOU SAY KA-MI = LITTLE COALS , SO THE NAME WHICH EGYPTIANS USED TO CALL THEMSELFS LIKE "KA MI WOU " = THE BLACK ONES / THOSE WHO ARE BLACK CAN BE EXPLAIN IN EWE BECAUSE THE EGYPTIANS HIEROGLYPHE WHO IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE "W" IS THE PLURAL FORM OF "THAT/THE ONE " SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY "THE ONE" IN PLURAL WHICH IS "THOSE" YOU SAY "W" =WOU BUT I THINK THE REAL PRONOUNCIATION IS "WO" BECAUSE IN EWE " WO" MEAN TOO " THOSE / THE ONES" SO KAMIWO IN EWE MEAN THE SAME THING LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND K M T = THE NAME OF EGYPT WILL BE " KA MI TA" = LAND OF THE BLACK PEOPLE IN EWE = ( NATION OF BLACK HUMAN BEINGS / THOSE WHO HAVE A KA BECAUSE THE COLOR OF THE SPIRIT IS BLACK AND THEY HAVE BLACK SKIN BECAUSE THE GREAT SPIRIT WHO OSIRIS IS IS SEND FROM "RA" = THE SUN ON EARTH TO GIVE LIFE / SPIRIT TO THE WORLD AND THE SUN IS FIRE SO OSIRIS / THE GREAT KA = SPIRIT WHO THE SUN SEND ON EARTH IS FIRE / LIGHT SHELF OF THE SUN THUS THE COLOR OF LIGHT SHELF / FIRE / KA IS BLACK BECAUSE WHEN FIRE TOUCH THINGS AND BURN THEM IT TURN BLACK LIKE TAN (SUNBATHE/BRONZED) SO THE SPIRIT = KA /SUN LIGHT SHELF MUST BE BLACK IN THE FIRST PLACE IN THE CORE BECAUSE IT GIVE A BLACK COLOR AFTER TOUCHING / GIVING LIFE ) THUS KA=COAL=BLACK/SPIRIT -- MI=THOSE /PEOPLE=MANY PERSON -- TA = LAND ALL TOGETHER = "LAND OF THE BLACK HUMAN BEING " IN EWE LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT .

EGYPT: WUR = GREAT ---EWE: WU = MUCH / INFINITE THUS GREAT ( EXAMPLE : LIKE IN THE NAME MAA WU = GOD IN EWE , MAA WU =THE INFINITE TRUTH/BALANCE /JUSTICE /HARMONY /ACCURACY ETC....

EGYPT: AMEN /MIN = THE HIDED / GOD---- EWE : AMé/AME/Mé= THE SOUL BECAUSE GOD IS THE SOUL AND AMé/Mé MEAN ALL SO "INSIDE" THUS HIDE .

EGYPT : AY = IS A NAME OF A PRIEST IN ANCIENT EGYPT ---- EWE : AYI = IS A NAME BY EWE PEOPLE .

EGYPT : MèRI = IS A NAME FOR THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS LAND WHICH MEAN LOVE----EWE : MèRI =IS A NAME BY EWE PEOPLE .

EGYPT : KHAT= MATERIAL BODY = THE TOUCHABLE ---- EWE : KHAT / KAH = TOUCH THUS IT IS RELATIF TO THE MATERIAL BODY BECAUSE IT IS THANK THE BODY IF WE CAN TOUCH IN FIRST PLACE .

EGYPT: HOR / HERU = FALCON NETER ANGEL SON OF OSIRIS WHICH YOU MUST AS A DEAD SPIRIT BEVOR YOU SEE THE FATHER "OSIRIS" MEISTER IN OF THE ROOM OF THE DEADS OR ROOM OF THE 2 MAAT ---- EWE: HOR = IS A VODOO WHICH YOU CALL IF YOU WANT TO TALK WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE DEADS THUS YOU MUST SEE HIM BEFORE YOU CAN GO TO THE ROOM OF THE DEADS TO TALK WITH THEM LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND THE NAME "HERU" IN ANCIENT EGYPT IS SAY "HéLU / HELU" IN EWE MAYBE THE "R" TURNED TO "L" WITH THE TIME WHEN WORDS ARE NOT CORRECTLY PRONOUNCED BECAUSE A OTHER HAUS (TRIBE) OF EWE PEOPLE IS CALLED PéRA PEOPLE (LIKE THE NAME OF PHAROAH= PER AA / PERAA) BUT THIS NAME (PéRA) TURN TO "PLA" TO ABBREVIATE THIS NAME AND SOME PEOPLE SAY NOW "PéDA" SO WE CAN SEE THAT THE LETTERS "R" CAN TURN TO "L" IN AFRIKA AND YOU CALL THE NAME HéLU IF YOU WANT TO SAY TO SOMEBODY " GOD IS WATCHING YOU " AND HERU IN ANCIENT EGYPT IS THE NETER/ ANGEL ONE WHO HAS THE ALL WATCHING EYE CALLED OUDJAT .

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Recent study validating the claims of the African scholars cited (and subsequently the crux of this argument) throughout this thread, which is that so-called "Afro-Asiatic" and Niger-Congo did have the same origins and that these groups would go on to embark on the same northward migration down the Nile over 12,000 years ago:

A systematic, computer-automated tool for narrowing down the homelands of linguistic families is presented and applied to 82 of the world’s larger families. The approach is inspired by the well-known idea that the geographical area of maximal diversity within a language family corresponds to the original homeland. This is implemented in an algorithm which takes a lexicostatistically derived distance measure and a geographical distance measure and computes a lexical diversity measure for each language in the family relative to all the other related languages. The location of the language with the highest diversity measure is heuristically identified with the homeland.........."The most controversial homeland in the African map (Figure 3) is probably the one for Afro-Asiatic (which, interestingly, is almost identical to the one for Niger-Congo)."

Study


Sounds kinda familiar? 

The Ancient Egyptian Language


The Ancient Egyptian language has always been considered to be a branch of the African-Asiatic family of languages called Afro-Asiatic which spans Africa and Western Asia.



Without going too deeply into the classification of the Afro-Asiatic language, according to Greenberg, the individual branches of the Afro-Asiatic family of languages include the following:



(1) Semitic, the largest branch of the Afro-Asiatic language which is spoken since ancient times in most of Western Asia, Mesopotamia, Palestine, Syria, Arabia and Africa.



The Semitic language has its origins in Africa.



(2) Berber, a group of related languages currently spoken by approximately five million speakers in Northern Africa from the Atlantic coast to the oasis of Siwa in Egypt and from the Mediterranean Sea to Mali and Niger.



(3) Cushitic, a family of languages spoken by approximately fifteen million people in Eastern Africa from the Egyptian border in North East Sudan to Ethiopia, Djibouti, Somalia, Kenya and Northern Tanzania.



Martin Bernal in his book, Black Athena, sees the spread of the Afro-Asiatic language as the expansion of a culture which was long established in the East African Rift Valley at the end of the last ice age in the 10th and 9th millennia BC. During the last ice ages water was locked up in the polar icecaps and rainfall was considerably less than it is today. The Sahara and Arabian Deserts were even larger. During the increase of heat and rainfall in the centuries that followed, much of these regions became savannah, into which neighbouring peoples flocked.



The most successful of these were speakers of Proto-Afro-Asiatic language from the African rift valley. Going through the savannah, the Chadic speakers reached Lake Chad while the Berbers, the Maghreb and the Proto-Egyptians arrived in Upper Egypt. However Martin Bernal did not consider speakers of Proto-Bantu in his analysis. It is the author’s contention, from the linguistic contents, that speakers of Proto-Bantu played an active part at the time of the expansion of Proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Rift Valley of East Africa. These Proto-Bantu speakers going through the savannah formed part of the migration to Egypt. The Bantu languages together with other indigenous languages fused together and became embedded to form the Proto-Egyptian language. It is for this reason that the Ancient Egyptian language contains a substantial amount of Proto-Bantu or Bantu roots.



However Guthrie speculated that before the Proto-Bantu expansion from Zaire, there had been several pre-Bantu stages, at which time the Bantu ancestors lived far to the north around Lake Chad. One group from this area made its way to Zaire and became the Proto-Bantu. The Proto-Bantu and Proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers lived along side each other. They traded together, shared and exchanged common vocabularies of words.

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PROBLEM!! "Lioness" who just posted this study on the old ES forum has pointed out however that while it incorrectly placing Niger-Congo language origins in West Africa they ironically can not seem to place the origins for "Afro-Asiatic" languages. I say "ironic" because the study notes basically a common origins for both language families (and people haplogroup E), but also wishes to maintain the BS lie that one of those language families (Niger-Congo) originated in Western Africa as opposed to Eastern-Central Africa with the other. If common origins for both groups is the case then that would mean that "Afro-Asiatic" languages originated in Western Africa as well, but they aren't going to argue that because they know that it's BS. Western scholars (who still likes to entertain this ) are reluctant to put the pieces to the puzzle together in regards to our history. Africans scholars long ago decided not to wait on them:



But low and beyond we still have some Negroes who equate the white man's word with approval, and will even become defensive at those challenging what "massa" (white scholars who as a whole have a horrible track record with African history) has taught or led them to believe.  

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Akan

Akanfo (ah-kahn'-foh) in the Twi language of the Akan means Akan people. Akanfo originated in ancient Khanit, also called Keneset (Ancient Nubia), at the beginning of human existence upon Asaase (Earth). This is the region of contemporary Sudan and South Sudan in the Eastern region of Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Africa). We eventually migrated around the world. Some Akanfo migrated north of Khanit and settled ancient Kamit (ancient Egypt), while others remained in Khanit. Over the millennia, Akanfo migrated to West Afuraka/Afuraitkait (West Africa) establishing the ancient civilization of Akana (Khanat - Ghana). Some Akanfo were also a component of the Kanem empire (pre-Bornu), the original/authentic Black Berber empire (Abibiri-fo) and the Kong empire (Kan) before ultimately migrating to and settling in the areas of contemporary Ghana (Akana) and Ivory Coast. Akanfo presently comprise approximately 45.3 percent of the population of Ghana (11,000,000) and approximately 42.1 percent of the population of Ivory Coast (9,000,000). Collectively, there are over 20,000,000 Akanfo in West Afuraka/Afuraitkait, including smaller populations in Togo, Burkina Faso and other areas.

Linguistic comparison.

"...The term Nana is a reduplication of the root na. In the Twi language, the root 'na' is defined as that which is rare, precious; ancient (Ancestry), great. The Twi language is derived of our Ancestral language of ancient Khanit/Keneset and Kamit (Nubia and Egypt). We therefore find that in the metutu (hieroglyphics) the term na, written  , means: great, greatness; benevolence.



We also find that the term sm (som) written in the metutu as   means: a deed or undertaking; a custom, a practice; to ritually provoke, to ritually place offerings on an altar.



Thus in our ancient Ancestral language these terms also describe an undertaking, custom and practice of ritual invocation and ritual offering (service) to They Who are great, benevolent. These are the ancient conceptual and phonetic roots of the term and nature of Nanasom, for Khanit/Keneset and Kamit are the roots of Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) Ancestral Religious inheritance. All Black People--and only Black People--wherever we exist in the world are Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut (Africans) and share in these linguistic and cultural roots..."

Great Akan-Egypt comparisons here. 

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Bump (revamped the OP)