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Post by asante on Mar 1, 2014 17:37:58 GMT -5
Ancient Egyptian Soldiers  Zulu Warriors Peep the shield to the left at 1:05. #wake up
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Post by asante on Mar 2, 2014 16:04:52 GMT -5
I've noticed something. I created this thread on Apricity (leading European forum with racist tendencies) and these white folks who would normally jump at the chance to gang up and lynch a brother (ban me) for these ideas accept it! People (including moderators) over there have Pm'ed me calling me a "genius" (learned much from ES). Some of them are simply shocked at they see. This is the opposite of some folks on this black forum I've noticed. It's almost like some of y'all are scared to accept this because you too worried about how non blacks would perceive you for "claiming ancient Egypt" (call you "desperate" and what not). On forum biodiversity the only people attacking this stance ARE BLACKS (riddled with inferiority complexes)! The others wouldn't dare challenge me. Even the the notorious anti black troll "Book Gremlin" after commenting on the thread suddenly had a strange turn of heart on racial issues (lol). After seeing the thread on Apricity you might feel differently. link |
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Post by eternalsky on Mar 2, 2014 16:37:20 GMT -5
I've noticed something. I created this thread on Apricity (leading European forum with racist tendencies) and these white folks who would normally jump at the chance to gang up and lynch a brother (ban me) for these ideas accept it! People (including moderators) over there have Pm'ed me calling me a "genius" (learned much from ES). Some of them are simply shocked at they see. This is the opposite of some folks on this black forum I've noticed. It's almost like some of y'all are scared to accept this because you too worried about how non blacks would perceive you for "claiming ancient Egypt" (call you "desperate" and what not). On forum biodiversity the only people attacking this stance ARE BLACKS (riddled with inferiority complexes)! The others wouldn't dare challenge me. Even the the notorious anti black troll "Book Gremlin" after commenting on the thread suddenly had a strange turn of heart on racial issues (lol). After seeing the thread on Apricity you might feel differently. link Asante, why even bother trying to educate people on a Eurocentric forum about the quite obvious African influence (and origin) of Egypt and Nubia? It is quite obvious that none of them will take any time to research what you have posted and even if they do they'll resort to using labels against you such as "Afrocentrist" or "nigger". It's obvious that'll resort the usual theories (although theory is too much of a positive word); Hamitic hypothesis this, pure Negro that, "niggers produced nothing", niggers caused Egypt to fall, etc. I also do not agree with you about the reason for the skepticism of people on this forum. Being skeptical of most things is good, it allows for you to not blindly believe something and look deeper into the facts. If people look deeper, they're more likely to find the truth, and if what you're saying is true then they'll agree with you (although probably not as soon as you'd wish). I don't think this is due to some sort of inferiority complex, people in this forum will be willing to tell you about all of the accomplishments of so-called Sub-Saharan "true Negroes" and some believe in the "black African" origin of Egypt. I just think that most of it is due to natural skepticism instead of some sort of fear lead on by an inferiority complex.  |
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Post by herodotus on Mar 2, 2014 17:21:46 GMT -5
What or who is "Black"? Those arguing for a "Black Egypt" are no different than Euronuts using racial terms like "Caucasoid".
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Post by eternalsky on Mar 2, 2014 17:23:34 GMT -5
What or who is "Black"? Those arguing for a "Black Egypt" are no different than Euronuts using racial terms like "Caucasoid". There was a reason I put black African in quotes. I was specifically talking about skin tone when using the term black and geography when mentioning Africans. |
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Post by herodotus on Mar 2, 2014 17:31:37 GMT -5
There's a skin cline in Egypt itself. Ancient Lower Egyptians were lighter than Upper. Using "black" to label skin is just as imprecise.  According to Asante this is a "Black" or "black" man? Who decides what is light or dark enough to pass as "black"? Rahotep is closer to the complexion of someone from the middle-east or even the south of europe than a Zulu. |
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Post by anansi on Mar 2, 2014 19:37:38 GMT -5
I've noticed something. I created this thread on Apricity (leading European forum with racist tendencies) and these white folks who would normally jump at the chance to gang up and lynch a brother (ban me) for these ideas accept it! People (including moderators) over there have Pm'ed me calling me a "genius" (learned much from ES). Some of them are simply shocked at they see. This is the opposite of some folks on this black forum I've noticed. It's almost like some of y'all are scared to accept this because you too worried about how non blacks would perceive you for "claiming ancient Egypt" (call you "desperate" and what not). On forum biodiversity the only people attacking this stance ARE BLACKS (riddled with inferiority complexes)! The others wouldn't dare challenge me. Even the the notorious anti black troll "Book Gremlin" after commenting on the thread suddenly had a strange turn of heart on racial issues (lol). After seeing the thread on Apricity you might feel differently. link I don't get that part, who here on this thread said the Kemitians weren't Blacks? whatever criticism made here minus Herodotus, have to do with your insistence that morphology is link to language and genetics. plus using outdated terms that was born out of racist typology that has been long ago been abandoned by most scientist. |
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Post by anansi on Mar 2, 2014 19:43:50 GMT -5
There's a skin cline in Egypt itself. Ancient Lower Egyptians were lighter than Upper. Using "black" to label skin is just as imprecise. According to Asante this is a "Black" or "black" man? Who decides what is light or dark enough to pass as "black"? Rahotep is closer to the complexion of someone from the middle-east or even the south of europe than a Zulu. Yes that could/would be a "black man" if he so identified himself as such,I have plenty of family members,friends acquaintances about the shade of Rahotep or liter that Id themselves as such. the question you should ask is did the Kemitians self I.D as Blacks?..at this point i'll give time you to chime in. |
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Post by asante on Mar 3, 2014 16:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by azrur on Mar 3, 2014 17:29:30 GMT -5
There's a skin cline in Egypt itself. Ancient Lower Egyptians were lighter than Upper. Using "black" to label skin is just as imprecise. According to Asante this is a "Black" or "black" man? Who decides what is light or dark enough to pass as "black"? Rahotep is closer to the complexion of someone from the middle-east or even the south of europe than a Zulu. that looks like eric holder  |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Mar 3, 2014 23:29:46 GMT -5
I've noticed something. I created this thread on Apricity (leading European forum with racist tendencies) and these white folks who would normally jump at the chance to gang up and lynch a brother (ban me) for these ideas accept it! People (including moderators) over there have Pm'ed me calling me a "genius" (learned much from ES). Some of them are simply shocked at they see. This is the opposite of some folks on this black forum I've noticed. It's almost like some of y'all are scared to accept this because you too worried about how non blacks would perceive you for "claiming ancient Egypt" (call you "desperate" and what not). On forum biodiversity the only people attacking this stance ARE BLACKS (riddled with inferiority complexes)! The others wouldn't dare challenge me. Even the the notorious anti black troll "Book Gremlin" after commenting on the thread suddenly had a strange turn of heart on racial issues (lol). After seeing the thread on Apricity you might feel differently. link I will speak for myself and declare emphatically that I don't give a damn about what any white racist has to say, nor do I feel the need to impress them. The reason why? They aren't at the center of my universe, I am! I don't worship their gods, nor do I visit their temples, I have the traditions of my ancestors and that is what is at the center of my universe. By the same token, I don't see the need to link myself to, nor the need to believe that I am directly descended from Egypt. They are who they are, and my people are who we are. As a Yoruba practitioner, yes, I do see similarities with certain aspects of religion with Egypt. But to be perfectly honest, I also see those same similarities with Native Americans, Pagan Europeans and Asiatic Shamanism. Why? Because there are certain concepts that are universal to all cultures who practice nature based worship. I do believe that both Nile Valley and West African cultures have a distant common ancestor. Egypt is not the be all and end all of African civilization. Why is it so hard to accept and appreciate different cultures and civilizations on their own terms without insisting that they had to have originated with someone else? Egypt was not the parent of African civilization. It was one of many children of a parent that was far more ancient. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the cultural parallels seen across the continent are down to the fact that they reflect what Egypt inherited from that older parent and that the other civilizations did as well? Those aspects of culture are far older than Egypt. They came from a source that was not in the Nile Valley. Some of those elements migrated with people who traveled north, some of them traveld west, some south. The other thing, just because you look at a picture and see something that looks similar doesn't mean it has the same significance and function in both cultures. For example, the Yoruba costume people claim is the spine of Osiris. It's not. You're looking at a picture not knowing what it signifies and totally drawing the wrong conclusion. It's an egun costume. Egun costums take many forms, but they are all constucted to function in a certain way. In Ifa the orisha Oya is the guardian of the cemetary, she is the usher of the dead among other things. Oya is the whirlwhind of the storm. She symbolized the winds of change. Her symbol is the cow tail wisk. As she represents the wind, she moves in circular motions like a tornado. The egun costume is worn by a priest who is then the medium for the spirit of the ancestors. Therfore, the costume is constructed with panels that are means to fly out as the ancestors come to Earth on Oya's winds. As they spin, the breeze crated by the swirling panels of the costume give blessings to the people of the community who have gathered to greet and honor them. It's not the representation of a spinal column. The functions are totally differnt. the cosmoligy is different, the function is different. I just believe in accepting people on their own terms and giving them the credit for their own cultural development and history. I'm not opposed to any possability, all I'm sying is give me some real concreat evidence. If I can poke holes in an argument till it looks like Swiss Cheese, it doesn't cut it. Cultural and historical misunderstandings and shoddy scholarship do not cut it. I don't give two f((ks what some white twit on a racist form thinks. The feeble minded are everywhere. Just because some white guy says they believe something about African history doesn't mean shit to me. I'm not impressed by uneducated idiots no matter their skin color. I want cultural, historical and educational standards to be unheld before I accept something. I personally feel insulted when somebody, especially a white person tries to feed me feel good wishstory history because I feel that we have enough real history to be proud of. I'm frustrated and annoyed because the history of MY ancestors is not being explored or examined the way it should be because everyone is so busy digging up Egypt's ass that they can't see the rest of the continent. I love Egypt, yes, but can we pay even half as much attention to the rest of the continent without trying to give credit of our ancestors achievement and culture to some body else? I find it an insult because the underlying message is ya'll niggas ain't got nothing worth knowing about unless it came from Egypt. WTF is that? It's just as imperialistic and colonial an attitude as Europeans sayin Africans never did anything till white folks showed up. I'm not buying that bullshit from a white person and just because a black person tells me something, I'm not accepting that either. Therefore, no I'm not a fucking Hebrew! My ancestors already had a concept of the creator waaaaaay before there was naything called a jew, a Muslim or a baby Jesus. No I don't believe that some book of folklore written by some desert nomads about them for them by them is the undisputed word of the creator, who according to them said FK you to the rest of the world and made the sun rise and set on their asses, so no, I'm not buying any damn fairytale telling me my people are cursed by God. And no, I'm not going to be dressing up in no god damn bed sheet looking like a refugee from a Cecil B Demil movie screaming at people on a street corner. Why the hell do I need their book, to tell me some fkd up sh$t about myself when I've got the odu of Ifa which is far older than their book? And just because some mentally colonized African want's to stick their heads so far up some Jewish, Muslim or Chirstin ass till they're looking out their eye balls doesn't mean I'm buying the bullshit. That's who I am, that's how I think, and it has nothing to do with the goddamn white man, what he thinks, what he thinks of me or what he wants me to be. I don't need to impress any damn body but my damn self and all I need, if I don't have it now, I will get it in the right place and time from my ancestors and my creator. This rant has been brought to you courtesy of 1 pissed of Yardi. Yardis! Likin shot inna Babylan business for 500 years. |
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Post by asante on Mar 3, 2014 23:51:28 GMT -5
^^ lol Man please shut the Hell up! If you wanna be a nay-sayer koo! Just leave the thread please before I really go in on your earlier post that I allowed to stand ( so you would leave). Lol If you don't know about me you better ask  ! I'm done leading some of these donkeys to the water. Everybody else enjoy the thread. |
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Post by asante on Mar 4, 2014 1:22:20 GMT -5
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Post by asante on Mar 4, 2014 1:26:46 GMT -5
Ramses III was a Tutsi    Closest match the Great Lakes   What does name "Tutsi" translate into? Ethnic names in the Mdu Ntr (Kemet/Egypt) Tutsi
Tutsi "the assembled gods"; "all of them (gods)" |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Mar 4, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5
^^ lol Man please shut the Hell up! If you wanna be a nay-sayer koo! Just leave the thread please before I really go in on your earlier post that I allowed to stand ( so you would leave). Lol If you don't know about me you better ask ! I'm done leading some of these donkeys to the water. Everybody else enjoy the thread. I don't blame you for being heated at the parts of my post that are heated, however, that doesn't negate the fact that I made some very valid points in that comment. points which you either can't or are unwilling to tackle. You can't because for you this is your religion and like all true believers, if you can't answer the question you ignore it or kill the messanger. I on the other hand am willing to learn. I'm not saying that the idea can't be true or that there aren't kernals of possible truth here, I'm saying that the quality of evidence here is not convincing. If you can come up with alternative explanations for the evidence presented, then it's not sound. You need better evidence. That is what is called scholarship sir. In scientific and academic circles, people don't just accept things because somebody says so, or because they can flash a bunch of pretty pictures. There's a process called a peer review and the information is put to the test. When you go to university for your PHD, you're not given a degree just because you're written a thesis. You have to defend your thesis infront of a panel of scholars in the field. When S.O.Y Keita writes an article on the biodiversity of Egyptians placing them in Africa as opposed to being Asian immigrants, he has to defend his position. So why then should so called Afrocentrics not be held to the same standards? Al you have proven thus far is what we all here already know. Egypt was an African civilization created by native Africans. Ahh, yeahhh. We kind of got that memo a looooong time ago..... By the way, I love all the pictures in your last post, but they only go to prove my basic premise on this issue. Egypt shares a common ancestor with all these other cultures. It does not prove that these aspects of culture originated IN Egypt. Now, you threaten to shut me down, you don't want to talk to me. Well.... that only speaks to your level of maturity. I've not attacked you personally, nor do I have to. There reason being you are not the originator of this theory. It's an idea that was created by colonial Europeans at a time when they were convinced that Ancient Egyptians were white who migrated into the continent and that Africans were a bunch of semi human savages. Therefore, when they saw the various elements of culture that existed in other areas of Africa, instead of realizing the obvious, they declared that these were colonies of a white civilizing Egypt. It's no different than their attempts to prove that the ruins of Great Zimbawe were created by people from Phoenicia or Atlantis. Anybody but the natives. Now skip ahead to the late 20th century and factions of the Afrocentric community, out of whatever need, feel it's not enough to prove Egypt was an African civilization, oh no, that's not good enough. They have to proove that they, not the people living in Egypt today, ae the descendents of the Ancient Egyptians and so they pick up the old out dated Eurocentric theory of a civilizing Egypt. It's the exact same theory only in black face. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Then you come on here complaining how Mr. Whitey is ready to eat up everything you say with a spoon, but certain people on this black forum, (gee, wonder who they could be), reject it. I'm only one such person, but like I said, the issue here is that we know where this stuff is coming from because we've seen it before. We're all open to new information that causes us to change our previous perspectives, it's what happens on this site all the time. What we're saying, is we need better eveidence and more scholarship. Ball's in your court. Or are you going to just show us more pretty pictures, (that we've seen since god made dirt)? But if it makes you happy, I'm more than okay to step aside so you can hear someone else tell you pretty much the same thing. |
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