Hapi Valley Origins and Dispersal of "Niger-Congo speakers"

[asante]

They ran from all of those facts Zaharan. That racist dude from forum Bio-Diversity "Arch Hades" who tried to make the argument for "Caucasoid" Egypt got his ass handed to him throughout that thread.

[asante]

Another thing...These white boys on those bio-forums are very aware of my presence, and the impact this thread on Egyptsearch alone. One white boy on Anthrogenenicia kept asking was I Asante from Egyptsearch reloaded, and I kept getting PMs from different white boys asking do I hate white people and what not. Notice how not one of those white boys has come here to make any serious rebuttal. One would think that the likes of Mathilda, Racial Reality or one of the prominent white supremacist genetic enthusiast would have came after the narration of the information in this thread as they have came after many prominent "radicial" Afrocentric claims in the past. Those white boys don't make peep. They don't want any smoke with me or this argument, as we have seen in their silence to thread for over half a decade now. None of them have the balls to step to this argument, because they don't want to be seen getting that smack down lay'd on them. I shut down any forum that tries to dispute this narrative. These punk azz white supremacist and wanna be white supremacist (in the case of the site owner Ellias from FBD forums) are such shameless cowards that they will openly call for a mod to ban my accounts (forum biodiversity, anthroscape, Historum, Anthrogenecia, etc etc etc) because they cannot refute anything that I'm saying with regards to this information. The presence of my information kills their sexual fantasies of a grand ole lily white ancient civilizations throughout ancient history (the type that Joe Rogan promotes), and that is the entire point of those forums. So let's forget calling the information in this thread "radical Afrocentrism" and let's just get to calling it the truth.

[Shadow]

Mar 2, 2014 17:31:37 GMT -5 herodotus said:

There's a skin cline in Egypt itself. Ancient Lower Egyptians were lighter than Upper. Using "black" to label skin is just as imprecise.



According to Asante this is a "Black" or "black" man?

Who decides what is light or dark enough to pass as "black"? Rahotep is closer to the complexion of someone from the middle-east or even the south of europe than a Zulu.

Actually this variation isn't necessarily so. You are still confuse on what Ancient Egyptians generally looked, let me remind you that modern Egypt isn't the same as Ancient Egypt, this goes for both Lower and Upper Egypt, it may be similar but not exactly the same. I say this because the color scheme that you and other mainstream Egyptologist insist that Lower Egyptians and their southern counterparts are still the exact resemblance of their ancestors. Although this is true to some extent for the South, it isn't true however for the North, as Lower Egypt historically was literally the hotbed for all foreigners. By that I mean that Lower Egyptians mostly mixed more with Eurasians than Upper Egyptians, who still contained their physical appearance similar or exactly like their ancestors. Although you are not wrong that Lower Egyptians were lighter than their Upper Egyptian counterpart, you are still of the assumption that their lighter complexion was due to "racial" mixing and not simply evolving into the arid and subtropical region of Lower Egypt. For example the Khoisan are Black Africans but when you compare them with let's say a Zulu they completely differ in color, this is due to the fact that the Zulus ancestors maintained a much darker complexion and evolved widely distinct features in another environment in Africa, while the Khoisan evolved a lighter complexion and distinct features themselves from living in the arid and subtropical region of Southern Africa, when they became isolated. This applies to nearly every population on the planet wherever you from. Egypt is mostly a arid country that have some a strip a southern land in a tropical strip, so your assumption that those in the were simply lighter isn't exactly wrong but it's exaggerated it wasn't a one sided situation nor did the native inhabitants of Egypt itself needed "racial" mixing to explain the way they look. Also, you say that Rahotep look closely to a Middle Easterners or a Southern European, I beg to differ. His features alone shows the typical traits of a Black person, given that he has basically thick lips, what appears to be a snub nose, and even some progathism, along with a small Afro. It must be noted that this statuette of Rahotep and his wife have come into scrutiny for it's authenticity, due to Rahotep and his wife having slightly light complexion and Rahotep's mustache, which traditionally for Egyptian men was considered unclean to have any sort of facial hair or even hair for that matter, not that I myself believe it is a fake, however what people fail to realize that the Egyptians and as well as the Nubians generally potrayed both male and females with different skin tones. Males were generally potrayed with a Reddish undertone, while females were potrayed with a yellowish undertone, this didn't reflect at all with the actual skin complexion of both Egyptians and Nubians but with cosmetology and judging by how Rahotep looks, it is self evident that he was actually much darker, while his wife was of a yellowish complexion instead of lily White. This tradition could have been used in Egyptian makeup, as this is still a tradition for numerous continental Africans, mostly those in the Sahara, to use the colors of red and yellow on different sexes, the best example for this are the Fulani who's men still paint their faces red, just like Ancient Egyptians men. Another thing, for Rahotep to look like a typical Middle Easterner, wouldn't that Middle Easterner be Black anyway, given that Africa is right next to Southwest Asia.

[asante]

Jul 10, 2019 15:50:36 GMT -5 Shadow said:

Mar 2, 2014 17:31:37 GMT -5 herodotus said:

There's a skin cline in Egypt itself. Ancient Lower Egyptians were lighter than Upper. Using "black" to label skin is just as imprecise.



According to Asante this is a "Black" or "black" man?

Who decides what is light or dark enough to pass as "black"? Rahotep is closer to the complexion of someone from the middle-east or even the south of europe than a Zulu.

Although this true for the South it isn't true for the North, as Lower Egypt historically was literally the hotbed for all foreigners, by that I mean that Lower Egyptians most,y mixed more with Eurasians than Upper Egyptians, who still contained their physical appearance similar or exactly like their ancestors. Although you are not wronge that Lower Egyptians were lighter than their Upper Egyptian counterpart,

There's even alot of assumption in that common sentiment regarding the variation of Lower Kemites in the Delta. They have a skull variation that is distinct in it's own right, but still considered within the indigenous variation of melaninated African diversity. There was a bit of disagreement between the Master teachers on this matter, even though it was not pushed to point where it was debated. Chancellor Williams who authored "Destruction of Black Civilization" was felt as though the northern Kemites were in fact genetically recessive peoples who were forced out of Kemet following the unification of Lower and Upper Kemet by Mena Narmer. C.A. Diop later commented in his book "African Origins of Civilization" that these Lower Kemites were in fact Dravidians/Tamils who later migrated throughout the regions of Eurasia. The skulls of Dravidians are almost identical to that which is considered "European" or what was considered to be "Mediterranean". The latter would make more sense to me, as it gives a bit of context as to the cultural commonalities seen between Dravidians who migrated throughout Eurasia and ancient Hapi Valley civilization. 

you are still of the appearance their lighter skin complexion was due to "racial" mixing and not simply evolving into the arid and subtropical region of Lower Egypt.

The notion of skin color and or "racial" variation being the result of climatic adaption is a Western fallacy. Case and point the Niger-Congo speaking population originated in hot dry Northeastern Africa, as the first few post details. If people with "robust" "Negroid" features have been seen in hot dry Northeast Africa dating as far back as 33,000, years ago and all the way up into the Dynastic periods of Kemet then that obliterates the notion of those features being the result of adaption to wet humid tropical environments. 

For example the Khoisan are Black Africans but when you compare them with let's say a Zulu they completely differ in color, this is due to the fact that the Zulus ancestors maintained a much darker complexion and evolved widely distinct features in another environment in Africa, while the Khoisan evolved a lighter complexion and distinct features themselves from leaving in the arid and subtropical region of Southern Africa,

The question then arises how long have the Khoisan been in that desert region of southwestern Africa. Then our research will indicate that many of the Khoi Khoi lived in parts of Southern and Eastern Africa that is well within the tropics within the last 5,000 years. Proof of this in the cave art of Zimbabwe which clearly depicts Khoi Khoi Africans living in that region with their traditional lives.

zimfieldguide.com/harare/lake-chivero-rock-art

If they lived in tropical Africa in such a relatively recent period then that would imply that their skin color was of the same variant despite the radically different environment. If we are to take their art color scale for humans as literal then we can clearly see the same lighter skinned individual variants even within the tropical nation of Zimbabwe.  

This applies to nearly every population on the planet wherever you from.

Ehhh.... That is a Eurocentric cover up to conceal the fact that some people are actually genetically recessive inbred albino mutants.  Humans do not adapt to new environments in the form of skin and eye color changes. The premiere fact to dispute such a widely accepted lie is that the Eskimos live in the icy ARCTIC, and have lived there for thousands upon thousands of years. You don't see a variation in their eye color, you don't see them with blond or red streaks of hair, you don't see them generally with pale skin.

These people who live in the most extreme cold have retained their melaninated hair, eyes, and skin color. If so called "Caucasians" (or the Tamahu as our ancestors called them) only moved into the Caucus, which does not have an extreme climatic environment in any stretch of the imagination, and developed green/blue eyes, blond/red hair, and pale skin then there is another explanation that needs to be explored to explain this variation.  

Egypt is mostly a arid country that have some a strip a southern land in a tropical strip, so your assumption that those in the were simply lighter isn't exactly wrong

No his assumption is completely wrong when one thinks about the reason that he thinks that way. The Kemites who lived in Africa both Upper and Lower were melaninated like the modern Africans who now live in "Sub Saharan Africa" today. The transition zone of Tropic and sub Tropic along the modern Egyptian/Sudanese border has no bearing on the skin color of the Africans on either side of the line.

but it's exaggerated it wasn't a one sided situation nor did the native inhabitants of Egypt itself needed "racial" mixing to explain the way they look.

Well according to anthropological evidence there is no reason to believe that these Africans of ancient Kemet and Nubia looked any different than their melaninated offspring who now reside south of the Sahara desert today. The skin of ancient nobles in Thebes was found to be "packed with melanin" and referenced as "Negroid" despite that region of Kemet not being in the "tropics".   

Also, you say that Rahotep look closely to a Middle Easterners or a Southern European, I beg the differ. His features alone shows the typical traits of a Black person, given that he has basically thick lips, what appears to be a snub nose, and even some progathism, along with a small Afro.

First and foremost that statue is a modern day forgery (just like most of the Greek statues that modern Europeans like to pass off as ancient today). 

[asante]

The Homie used alot of my talking points in this Sa-Neter interview. I cite my name at the bottom of my last post on the first page, and he could have did the same. 

[asante]

Another victory for this argument ironically came from a debate within this very Egyptsearch community. Member/moderator Zaharan, has long taken side swipes at this entire argument, because it is not approved by mainstream White Western institutions, which he tends to hold sacred. Now that's not to discount the validity of those sources from such institutions, but as we know from the example at the beginning of the first post with the Piltdown man the words/narratives should never be taken at face value. The debate occurred in a thread created by prominent independent researcher XYZman when he presented a book that broke down the history of the conspiracy to turn ancient Kemet into a white civilization. One quote that XYZman felt compelled to post got my attention;

personal library and his own direct knowledge of the Ashantis, wrote An Essay on the 

Superstitions, Customs, and Arts, Common to the Ancient Egyptians, Abyssinians, and Ashantees, in 

which he argued that Egyptian civilization was diffused via Ethiopia **to the West Coast 

of Africa.** 

It was a further confirmation to me of the long evident persuasiveness of the main argument of this thread. I make short statement on the hesitance of some (no names called nor any implied) members of these forums to push this argument, especially with the intervention of a host of genetic studies within the last decade. This prompted Zaharan, to respond. He didn't make an argument of a counter narrative to what I present. He instead claimed that my argument lacked credibility. My interpretation of what he considers "credible" is validation from Western sources from head to toe. From there I proceeded to lay out piece by piece my evidence (including much that has not been posted in my first two post on this thread). Zaharan made attempts to derail my argument with some limited sources, but I devoured everything that he tried to naysay with. He attempted to disregard my sources and inferences as mere speculation, without acknowledging that the evidence heavily favored the scenarios put forth by myself. This became difficult for him due to the shear overwhelming correlation of the any sources that I presented to fit the narrative mentioned in the exert above. He wanted specifics on the migration from Kemet into Nubia-Meroe and then into West, Central, Southern Africa (though this argument's focus was specifically on West Africa). Specifics were given including various oral traditions that correlate with the scenario above perfectly. Cultural, archaeological and genetic evidence was given to support these oral traditions. He is disgruntled by the fact that this scenario is not championed by the West. The same Western institutions that in the main do not even acknowledge Kemet as a black civilization, and certainly unrelated to Niger-Congo speaking populations. He had not rebuttal to the sources and subsequent narrative posted by myself, and could only call it "sloppy" or "weak". Given his high reverence for what he considers sacred in these debates (Western academia) that would only make sense in context. Anyway after I had tagged him badly in my last response in that discussion, he makes a hasty reply that essentially repeated all of the arguments that he had made in his previous post that I had completely dismantled, and then abruptly locked the thread to save face. It's very strange that just like the other anthro sites full of white supremacist who have to resort to banning me or approving my post when I gets to gettin in that ass, Zaharan who is a supposed "Afrocentrics" followed the same action. That is strange again for an "Afrocentric" to do this given the shear level Afrocentricity that my argument possess (which is quite high). It's also strange that Zaharan seems to be afraid to debate me in my own thread on this since he has such a strong opposition to this argument being promoted. This perhaps done because of the shear overwhelming amount of evidence in support of this argument that has been posted on the first page. The only reason why this would make sense regarding his behavior is if the "truth" is not his true intentions here. A disagreement is a disagreement, but resorting to locking a thread so that you can get the last word in an attempt to save face in a debate is very distasteful. The link to the thread has been posted below. 

egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2715/black-white-skull-transforming-ancient?page=3

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Didinja read my post in Xyyman's thread?
OK keep bad mouthing personalities and be a matyr as you wish.
Lockdown! <if i had it my way lockdown would be followed by delete otherwise whats th use?>
Meanwhile your complaints are being taken into consideration, sit tight a minute sheesh.
We only human give us some time

[zarahan]

Asante has made many contributions on this topic which repeats much material debated
back in 2014. Various issues and viewpoints have been thoroughly aired. After 6 years
the "last word" has been wearily recycled ad infinitum. Its time to move on. Much of the
discussion in any event was off-topic to XYZ's thread. Also a number of personal beefs
and issues seem to be involved with people from other sites who are not even Reloaded
members, which detracts from overall forum decorum, as well as the thread itself.

In view of this it seems reasonable that all parties refrain from repeating the (a) off-topic
and (b) personal beef issues which will keep the thread in question relevant to OP and solve various
decorum issues. Said off-topic material will be moved to a separate archive, and carry-overs to
other threads removed. Members should refrain from recycling the two problem areas (off topic/personal beef)
in question from thread to thread.

Asante is to be commended for his work in using good scholarship to fight assorted enemies of Africa and
Africans, and it is hoped his membership account can be maintained in accordance with these guidelines,
in view of earlier warnings re decorum by several staff. Future adherence will determine this.

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