KEMET VS ISRAEL

[Ish Gebor]

May 3, 2016 17:45:41 GMT -5 history91 said:

Those don't pictures look like north Africans they look like Arabs. So you are saying they looked Arabs in Ancient times?

Those are Yemenies, Yemenies relate close to East Africans. lol smh how dumb are you?

which suggested that the African ancestry in West Eurasians is at least as closely related to East Africans (e.g. Hapmap3 Luhya (LWK)) as to West Africans (e.g. Nigerian Yoruba (YRI)) (the same analyses show that there is no evidence of relatedness to Chadic populations like Bulala) (Text S5 and Figure S12).

-- Moorjani et al. 2011
The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews

The forehead was retreating and the brow ridges were always prominent, the cheek bones were rather broad and the nose also was broad, in some case inclining to extreme platyrrhine…There can be no doubt that this type is that which has been described by Sergi, Giuffrida-Ruggeri, and Fleure, and named the Eurafican type…

L.H. Dudley & D. Talbot Rice the Field Museum and Oxford Expedition (1931)

www.archive.org/stream/lacropoledesused01dieu#page/2/mode/2up









To estimate the proportion of sub-Saharan African ancestry in the various West Eurasian populations that showed significant evidence of mixture, we used f4 Ancestry Estimation [21], a method which produces accurate estimates of ancestry proportions, even in the absence of data from the true ancestral populations. This method estimates mixture proportions by fitting a model of mixture between two ancestral populations, followed by (possibly large) population-specific genetic drift. Briefly, we calculate a statistic that is proportional to the correlation in the allele frequency difference between West Eurasians and sub-Saharan Africans, and divide it by the same statistic for a population of sub-Saharan African ancestry, like YRI (Figure 2). This method has been shown through simulation to be robust to ascertainment bias on the SNP arrays and deviations from the assumed model of mixture (e.g. date and number of mixture events) [21].









The finding of sub-Saharan African ancestry in West Eurasians predicts that there will be a signature of admixture LD in the populations that experienced this mixture. That is, there will be LD between all markers that are highly differentiated between the two ancestral populations and the allele will be strongly correlated to the local ancestry [23]. Hence, there will be chromosomal segments of African ancestry with lengths that reflect the number of recombination events that have occurred since mixture, and thus can be used to estimate an admixture date. Figure 3 shows that this expected pattern is observed empirically in the decay of LD in four example West Eurasian populations, where we enhance the effects of admixture LD by weighting the SNP comparisons by frequency difference between the ancestral Africans (YRI) and ancestral West Eurasians (CEU). In the Southern European, Jewish and Levantine populations, this procedure produces clear evidence of admixture LD (Figure 3). However, Northern Europeans (Russians in Figure 3) do not show any evidence of African gene flow, consistent with the 4 Population and 3 Population Test results and Figure 1. Similar results are seen for other West Eurasian and Jewish populations that show evidence of mixture in the 4 Population Test.

The history of human migrations from Africa into West Eurasia is only partially understood. Archaeological and genetic evidence indicate that anatomically modern humans arrived in Europe from an African source at least 45,000 years ago, following the initial dispersal out of Africa [1], [2]. However, it is known that Southern Europeans and Levantines (people from modern day Palestine, Israel, Syria and Jordan) have also inherited genetic material of African origin due to subsequent migrations.

-- Moorjani et al. 2011
The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews






King Darius I




Elamite Guard, Persepolis

[Ish Gebor]

May 3, 2016 17:45:41 GMT -5 history91 said:

Those don't pictures look like north Africans they look like Arabs. So you are saying they looked Arabs in Ancient times?

I will repeat it once again, for your senile brain. They looked like Northeast Africans, i.e. Horners. As I have posted already. Hence not white, not Celtic, not whatever weird thing you've claimed. You run from corner-to-corner like a little kid (looking for excuses). And keep asking the same question over-and-over that has been answered already. SMH 

[history91]

The reason why I ask is because a lot of Arabs including Yemenis consider themselves white Caucasian. But I know one Yemenis guy who told me his people used to be black in Ancient times and he said all the prophets if the bible were black. But do you believe these Israelite people migrated to different parts of Africa, like South and West Africa over different periods of time?

[Ish Gebor]

May 3, 2016 19:11:50 GMT -5 history91 said:

The reason why I ask is because a lot of Arabs including Yemenis consider themselves white Caucasian. But I know one Yemenis guy who told me his people used to be black in Ancient times and he said all the prophets if the bible were black. But do you believe these Israelite people migrated to different parts of Africa, like South and West Africa over different periods of time?

The population I am speaking of is not of "white stock", but of "black stock". The "white Caucasian" type derived from the North (crescent) only a few centuries ago, they also brought white slaves with them from Central Europe. They have nothing to do with the ancient population from thousands of years ago as you imply. What they did is shift the demographics of the region and became more "populace". The ancient Cushitic has nothing to do with "white Caucasian" or any of that sort. Classic literature explains this, archeology explains this. Cultural anthropology explains this. Linguistics explains this, and even genetics.

Particularly, Yemen has the largest contribution of L lineages (30). So, most probably, this area was the entrance gate of a portion of these lineages in prehistoric times, which participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."

Under these suppositions, the Arabian Peninsula, as an obliged step between East Africa and South Asia, has gained crucial importance, and indeed several mtDNA studies have recently been published for this region [30-32]. However, it seems that the bulk of the Arab mtDNA lineages have northern Neolithic or more recent Asian or African origins....

--Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.

Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula

3396-4218-15514-15944del and the control region motif 16209–16519 with a TMRCA of 57,100 ± 9,400 YBP. This haplogroup diversifies into sub-haplogroups L3f1, L3f2 and L3f3. The most geographically widespread sub-haplogroup is L3f1, which is distributed across the African continent [3] and also Arabia [32,33] and has a TMRCA of 48,600 ± 11,500 YBP.


..."The youngest clade, L3f1b2, seems to be more frequent in the Middle East. L3f1a seems to be older (37,700 ± 10,000 YBP) than its sister sub-haplogroup L3f1b and is also less diversified. A few samples from Chad belong to these sub-haplogroups: two to L3f1a and one to L3f1b3."

--Viktor Černý1 et al.

Migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists within Africa based on population structure of Chad Basin and phylogeography of mitochondrial L3f haplogroup


















Historical record tell us that they did, move to inner Africa. You have to remember that the Sudan stretched from East- to West Africa. Parts of Northwest Africa were called West Sudan at one point.

[Ish Gebor]

May 3, 2016 19:11:50 GMT -5 history91 said:

The reason why I ask is because a lot of Arabs including Yemenis consider themselves white Caucasian. But I know one Yemenis guy who told me his people used to be black in Ancient times and he said all the prophets if the bible were black. But do you believe these Israelite people migrated to different parts of Africa, like South and West Africa over different periods of time?

This is is how Arabs are described in Classical Arabic scripture, this is also what the artifacts show from the Levant (already posted)lol smh. And even further back to the Natufians, during the Mesolthic and Holocene period. Although Arabs as an entity or ethnicity didn't exists yet.

1869 “The Cushites. the first inhabitants of Arabia, are known in the national traditions by the name of Adites, from their progenitor, who is called Ad, the grandson of Ham.”

— The New Larned History for Ready Reference Reading and Research, 1922 citing F. Lenormant, Manual of Ancient History, bk. 7, ch. 2. published 1869.






 




Arabs of Hudeidah(Biblical Heth or Hittite) in Yemen

[Ish Gebor]

May 3, 2016 19:11:50 GMT -5 history91 said:

The reason why I ask is because a lot of Arabs including Yemenis consider themselves white Caucasian. But I know one Yemenis guy who told me his people used to be black in Ancient times and he said all the prophets if the bible were black. But do you believe these Israelite people migrated to different parts of Africa, like South and West Africa over different periods of time?

...  

Only about twelve years after the disappearance of the last great Seijuk, a Kurdish dynasty, that of the Ayyubids (1169-1250), founded by the famous Saladin emerges and takes over the leadership of the muslim world for about a century, until the Turko-Mongolian invasions of the XIIIth century. The high-ranking figure of Saladin and his exploits against the crusaders are sufficiently well-known in Europe. His empire incorporated, as well as almost the whole of Kurdistan, all Syria, Egypt and Yemen

www.institutkurde.org/en/institute/who_are_the_kurds.php

The Seljuqs, a Turkic dynasty of Central Asian nomadic origins, became the new rulers of the eastern Islamic lands following their defeat of the powerful Ghaznavids at the Battle of Dandanakan (1040). By 1055, the Seljuqs had reached and taken over Baghdad, which put an end to Buyid rule, and established themselves as the new protectors of the Abbasid caliphate and Sunni Islam. Within fifty years, the Seljuqs created a vast though relatively short-lived empire, encompassing all of Iran, Iraq, and much of Anatolia. By the close of the eleventh century, as the Seljuq realm became troubled due to internal conflicts and the division of the realm among heirs, the empire dissolved into separate territories governed by different branches of the dynasty. The main branch of the Seljuq house, the so-called Great Seljuqs, maintained control over Iran. Under the Seljuq sultanate, Iran enjoyed a period of material and cultural prosperity, and the ingenuity in architecture and the arts during this period had a notable impact on later artistic developments.


The Seljuq cultural and artistic efflorescence continued well beyond the sultanate’s political influence. In fact, as there are few surviving dated examples of Iranian art from the Seljuq period proper, works of art dating to the late twelfth and early thirteenth centuries are frequently labeled “Seljuq” even though they might have been produced under the patronage of one of several local dynasties. Turkic Seljuq rulers adopted and supported local Perso-Islamic traditions, and Seljuq art is recognized for weaving together Persian, Islamic, and Central Asian-Turkic elements. During this period, the arts of Iran gained distinction in the Islamic world.


Important developments and innovations contributed to the renown of Seljuq art. Beginning in the second half of the twelfth century, the art of inlaying bronze or brass objects with precious metals such as copper, silver, and gold became prominent in the eastern Iranian province of Khorasan. Such objects were often decorated with Arabic inscriptions written in the “animated” script, developed during this period, in which the letters were transformed into human and animal figures. The same shapes known in metalwork were also produced in contemporary pottery. These ceramic wares demonstrate the advancement of new techniques or the further refinement of existing ones. Especially notable were the works produced in Kashan, in the luster and mina’i techniques. Also significant, though little known today due to few surviving examples, were the arts of the book.

The Seljuqs were also great patrons of architecture. An unprecedented number of madrasas (institutions of higher learning) were erected throughout the Seljuq realm. Most notable, however, was the Madrasa Nizamiya, founded in Baghdad by the great Seljuq vizier Nizam al-Mulk (r. 1063–92) to support Orthodox Sunni education (1067). In mosque architecture, the courtyard with four vaulted halls (iwans) on each side became prevalent. The transformed congregational mosque in Isfahan whose additions were commissioned by Nizam al-Mulk and Taj al-Mulk, two Seljuq administrators, for Sultan Malikshah (r. 1073–92) and his wife Terkan Khatun, was the most celebrated and influential Seljuq monument. Also important during this period were funerary monuments, the most prominent being the immense Mausoleum of Sultan Sanjar in Merv (r. ca. 1096–1157), in modern Turkmenistan.

--Suzan Yalman
Department of Education, The Metropolitan Museum of Art



The Art of the Seljuqs of Iran (ca. 1040–1196)

www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/iselj/hd_iselj.htm

[history91]

So did these Israelites people ever migrate to different parts of Africa like West Africa?

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Damn I feel like an ancient relic.
www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008973;p=1
www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=008956;p=4#000154

What happened to the days when
honest researchers consulted

* Hirschberg 1974 A History of the Jews in North Africa

* Godbey 1930 The Lost Tribes a Myth

* Williams 1928 Hebrewisms of West Africa

for the history on this subtopic
and even last century we had
legacy genetics showing Jew's
levels of African markers

* Patai 1975 The Myth of the Jewish Race

[history91]

None of the links you provided gives any evidence that the Israelites may have migrated to different parts of Africa.

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

The books dummy, the books.

[samuel]

The Ancient Israelites migrated everywhere after the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Europe, Africa. Even Asia. Why do you think there are Jews of every race??? There is even a theory of Native American Jews haha.

I was raised Jewish by the way.

[history91]

I've only heard they went into Parts of the Middle east and Africa.

[samuel]

And Europe. Jews are everywhere. Which is the main reason the Nazis hated them so much. Because they are international. And don't belong to one state.

[Ish Gebor]

May 4, 2016 7:58:05 GMT -5 history91 said:

So did these Israelites people ever migrate to different parts of Africa like West Africa?

Your screen name says history91, but you don't know jack.

[Ish Gebor]

May 4, 2016 20:46:40 GMT -5 history91 said:

None of the links you provided gives any evidence that the Israelites may have migrated to different parts of Africa.

I already posted Julian Baldick, The Black God.

This book is of mandatory learning in the academia, and schools of theology.