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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 13, 2017 9:23:47 GMT -5
As I said before careful how you say things. There are readers here trying to gain knowledge. Why do you say E-M2 is rarer in East Africa? It(E-M2) is far from rare in East Africa. Remember the YDNA Haplogroups of Ancient Egyptians tested so far were E-M2. In other words the Royals/Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt carried the "sub-saharan" African lineage. It is not rare but very common in East Africa.
Try to stay away from opinions without data. Without data it is just an opinion and is annoying. The quality of this forum has been maintained over the years. And one of the main reason is "quality" posting so it is not just a "chatter" site.
Good work so far.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 13, 2017 9:31:30 GMT -5
As I made clear and provided data in the "Bantu migration thread", there is no data suggesting that E-M2 originated in West Africa and migrated to East Africa. But there is recent data suggesting the reverse, that E-M2 may have a RECENT Eastern African origins and migrated West replacing older population even R1b-V88 possible. See my thread on the supposed Bantu migration. I don't expect to find aDNA is E-M2 in West Africa prior to about 3000bc because according to RECENT release E-M2 is only about 6-5000year old!!!
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Post by clouddesignc7 on Jan 18, 2017 8:13:18 GMT -5
As I said before careful how you say things. There are readers here trying to gain knowledge. Why do you say E-M2 is rarer in East Africa? E-M2 is more common in West Africa, it's greater than 90% in Senegal for intance in some studies, and West African groups have E-M2 at 80% and above. It was found at 7.7-13.9% in Egypt and reaches around 30% elsewhere in the Nile Valley. And that's Northeast Africa. (you said you were talking about East Africa) (It's probably even rarer in the main East African region (Non-North East African East Africa)) And that E-M2 gets there from West Africa! Not challenging that E-M2's ultimate place of origin is East Africa.They found Benin sickle cell in multiple Ancient Egyptian mummies. Unless you are going to say that the Benin sickle cell isn't Beninese in origin and that West Africa had no influence on Kemet. Again not challenging that E-M2 might ultimately be East African in origin, which I myself posted and was the first to post. ... I can back all this up ... |
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Post by clouddesignc7 on Jan 18, 2017 8:18:57 GMT -5
whoops
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 18, 2017 9:38:38 GMT -5
OooH! K!
You said a lot there. But I am still unclear what your point is? E-M2 is "ultimately" of East African origin? I said so didn't I?
I also said E-M2 is only about 5000yo which negates the supposed Bantu Expansion.
West Africans carry about >80% E-M2? I never denied that. So what are you arguing?
I said E-M2 is "not" RARE is East Africa. And you provided data supporting my very point. Quote " reaches around 30% elsewhere in the Nile Valley"
If my math is correct 30% is NOT rare. And if my English is correct "less" does not mean "rare". Right?
I said that there was NEVER a Bantu Expansion from West Africa to East Africa as the "pop culture" theorize. There is NO genetic evidence of that. None! E-M2 mutations in East Africa compared to West Africa is NOT closely related. And E-M2 in East Africa is OLDER than that found in West Africa. Which means what? Answer: East Africans E-M2 did NOT originate in West Africa.
Labeling a disease "Benin" does not mean it originated in Benin. Good God man! It most likely means it was either FIRST discovered in Benin or it has HIGHEST frequency in Benin. I am not sure about the history of naming that disease. Google it!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 18, 2017 9:41:19 GMT -5
Look at this a a teaching moment ...or learning opportunity. fist thump!
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Post by clouddesignc7 on Jan 19, 2017 8:25:20 GMT -5
You say E-M2 is only 5,000 years old? That's the first I heard of that.
And yeah I would not say 10% is rare.
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Post by blkprehuman on Jan 8, 2023 3:09:45 GMT -5
When and where did this mutation take place? I've heard E1b1b is a lot older than E1b1a. Not only did the ancient egypt test as majority eurasian dna (arabic) in average mummys but you know well the genetics of the Pharaos.your picture has shown an average skinned caucasian egyptian skull. Search for nubian to find the negroid teeth shaped forward |
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Post by blkprehuman on Jan 8, 2023 3:14:14 GMT -5
Brother you cant back anything up. Youre here arguing about if egypt were 5 % or maybe 15 % black. Or maybe even 18%. Ignoring in full denial your plenty and big populated actual genetical Lands. Why is that?lets not talk about that history. Give up on egypt, ancient mummy tested with even more eurasian dna and less sub saharan than todays egypt. So ancient egypt were even more arabic. Not even mentioning their e1b1b Berber influence.we could say that all north and east african Lands are Berber genetical but egypt the border of arabia region Was the only Land outmixed by eurasian dna |
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Post by snakepit on Aug 19, 2023 13:22:16 GMT -5
You have yet to provide any evidence to back up your opinion, thus it remains as such, an opinion.
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