E Haplogroup is of Asian origin

[sttigray]

Chandrasekar et al. (2007), Shi et al. (2008), and Hai (2008) indicate that the entire E haplogroup is of Asian origin. Some guy threw this study at me, and I was wondering what any of you make of it.

[sundiata]

^^Hammer already contradicts Chandrasekar in a more novel study in 2008 that extended the phylogentic time depth of haplogroup E, definitively confining its origin to east Africa. Shi made no such claims from what I recall as I read that study while editing the wiki article and used the citation to actually suggest the opposite. As for Hai, you need to ask for specific quotes and get at least some type of summary of what the evidence actually is. It may not be evidence at all, but just nonsense based on dated material. Actually, this is likely the case. In any event, why would it matter where E originated? There's no racial implications here even if it did develop in Asia (which it definitely did not). 75% of Africans descend from haplogroup E carriers (especially west Africans and AAs) so to make Africans become Asians does little to separate Africans from the haplogroup. We are all still related by common descent. Though again, I stress, it is nonsense, of course haplogroup E is African. But I don't think anyone on here can evaluate the claims you present devoid of context and cited arguments.

[sttigray]

Is this article on Wikipedia?

[sundiata]

^There is AN article on wikipedia on haplogroup DE and therein, the Chandrasekar and Shi studies were cited. I specifically added the Hammer article to haplogroup E and haplogroup DE pages, but I'm not sure if it has since been removed by vandals. As far as haplogroup DE, I've edited that page and recall reading the sources to confirm the claims made and I do recall some of the editors literally misinterpreting Shi, who dealt mostly with DE. I don't recall Shi ever stating that E was Asian in origin, quite the contrary. I think whoever told you this participated in the wiki editing process or are in some way associated with the editors I mentioned.

[sttigray]

Could you send me a link? and are you on Youtube

[sundiata]

This is the press release of the Hammer study:

www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-04/cshl-sry032608.php


Also, again, the Shi study makes no such claim, quite the contrary. Read it yourself:

www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1741-7007-6-45.pdf

Unfortunately, I do not have a youtube account but I plan to manage one as soon as I finish this semester since I'll finally have a break. I'm not really good at the photoshop, video creation thing either, but I want to learn for the purpose of making informative videos. I commend markellion on that.

[sttigray]

I cant make videos neither. But the debate is on for youtube and we need as many soldiers as possible. Let me know so we can link up

[sttigray]

Thanks you rock I found how he misquoted. I mean this guy pretty much just made up something, and attached a likely quote if you did not read the article.

[zarahan]

good info on Hammer.
You can see the distorted propaganda angle some
are trying to pull with the "Asian origin" angle, even
were some of it to be true as Sun says, it makes no diff.
All Haplogroups ultimately derive from Africans but you
don;t hear people calling the European weighted J,
'African J" for example. It is only in Africa that they
comeup with such double-standards.

Anyway here's another bit of data STTigray.



Sun havent read Hammer in full. Does he show "E" to be
African origin as many do above?

[sttigray]

Zarahan You rock, I need to get myself up to par as far as educating myself in a balanced way about our history. Do you have any suggestions?

[sttigray]

Also BTW I Quoted your foot work in a debate I just wanted to say thanks

[zarahan]

May 11, 2010 20:20:02 GMT -5 sttigray said:

Also BTW I Quoted your foot work in a debate I just wanted to say thanks

No problem. That is specifically why I created it, summarizing and bringing together multiple areas and references of scholarship others too have helped dig up and present, as in Sun's apt reference to Karafet/Hammer.

Check out:


Egypt as a tropical civilization
africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/coldclimatelightskindebunk.htm



Mesopotamia as a tropical civilization.
africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/mcoldclimatemesopotamiadebunk.htm

Thus advanced civilizations developed in these tropical/subtropical areas without the alleged "pre-requisite" of cold climate "leadership." These ancients did not need any touted white or yellow "cold-climate" "role models" to create said civilizations. Nor did so-called "tropical IQ" "deficits" hinder them.