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Post by azrur on Oct 12, 2013 14:58:48 GMT -5
 here is a portrait of tariq ibn ziyad, the man who conquered iberia |
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Post by azrur on Oct 12, 2013 15:31:51 GMT -5
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Post by azrur on Oct 12, 2013 16:16:32 GMT -5
textual references
"The human inhabitants of these zones are more temperate in their bodies, color, character qualities... Such are the inhabitants of the Maghrib, of Syria, the two 'Iraqs, Western India, and China, as well as of Spain; also the European Christians nearby, the Galicians, and all those who live together with these peoples or near them in the three temperate zones." - Ibn Khaldun
"The Berbers belong to a powerful, formidable, and numerous people; a true people like so many others, the world has seen - like the Arabs, the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans." - Ibn Khaldun
"We then arrived at the town of Iwalatan... Iwalatan is the northernmost province of the Blacks." - Ibn Battau (Iwalatan is in modernday Southeast Mauritania)
"At length we arrived among the Bardama. They are a Berber tribe. [...] The Bardama women are the most perfect in beauty, most remarkable in their appearance, of the purest white in their complexion and very fat." - Ibn Battau
"In the north of the country of Mali, there are Berber tribes who are white and are under [the Sultan of Mali's] dominion .... They are: the Yatansir, the Shagharasan, the Maddusa and the Lamtuna." - Chihab al-Umari
"The country of the Blacks also contains three independent kings, white Muslims, belonging to the Berber race: the sultan of Aïr, the sultan of Damushuh and the sultan of Tadmakka. These three white Muslim kings are in the southwest area ranging between the Barr al 'Adwa, empire of the sultan Abu l-Hasan, and the country of Mali and its dependencies." - Chihab al-Umari
"But what avail? Though fled be Marsilies,
He's left behind his uncle, the alcaliph
Who holds Alferne, Kartagene, Garmalie,
And Ethiope, a cursed land indeed;
The blackamoors from there are in his keep,
Broad in the nose they are and flat in the ear,
Fifty thousand and more in company."
Taken from the Song of Roland which is most oftenly ignored the army described as black as pitch and broad in nose is of ethiope not north africa
the area described as land of the blacks by the arab (bilad al sudan) never encompassing north africa and several moorish (as in they lived in islam iberia, not berbers ethnically) writers and historians show great disdain and hatred against the black people
"The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state (spain)" - Ibn Khaldun
"Negroes in Africa neither have books, nor sciences or histories" - Ibn Hamza
ibn khaldun also say “only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings.”
"As for the Zanji, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence.” - al-maqdisi
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Post by azrur on Oct 12, 2013 20:18:48 GMT -5
the moors in spain were a mix of various middle east european and african
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Oct 13, 2013 12:10:47 GMT -5
First of all we need to understand that the term Moor was one that these people did not use to describe themselves. It was a term applied to them by the Europeans. This term was applied very broadly to include a variety of people who all shared the Islamic faith. They were a mixture of Arabs, Berbers, Saharans, Sahelians and even Central Asians. Al Andalus attracted people from all over the Islamic world and they were all considered Moors by the European. This is why trying to assign them to one category or "racial group", is an effort based in stupidity.
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Post by azrur on Oct 13, 2013 15:18:58 GMT -5
First of all we need to understand that the term Moor was one that these people did not use to describe themselves. It was a term applied to them by the Europeans. This term was applied very broadly to include a variety of people who all shared the Islamic faith. They were a mixture of Arabs, Berbers, Saharans, Sahelians and even Central Asians. Al Andalus attracted people from all over the Islamic world and they were all considered Moors by the European. This is why trying to assign them to one category or "racial group", is an effort based in stupidity. i agree muslim iberia was a very diversity place with different middle east groups, east europe and north and central europe mercenaries iberians north africans but when this topic it is pretty obvious the moors they are referring to are north africans and north african dynasties and kings in the iberia and north africa |
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 22:38:15 GMT -5
 High ranking Numidian soldier stationed in Europe during the Dacian wars.   Now when the confusion in the state was at its height, inasmuch as it was made known that there were three several emperors, Septimius Severus, Pescennius Niger, and Clodius Albinus, the priest of the Delphic Apollo was asked which of them as emperor would prove of most profit to the state, whereupon, it is said, he gave voice to a Greek verse as follows:
"Best is the Dark One, the African good, but the worst is the White One."
p449 2 And in this response it was clearly understood that Niger was meant by the Dark One, Severus by the African, and Albinus by the White One. 3 Thereupon the curiosity of the questioners was aroused, and they asked who would really win the empire. To this the priest replied with further verses somewhat as follows:
"Both of the Black and the White shall the life-blood be shed all untimely;
Empire over the world shall be held by the native of Carthage."
Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1122/africans-roman-era-europe#ixzz2hl3DMrKu
klik^ here you might be interested. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 22:56:07 GMT -5
High ranking Numidian soldier stationed in Europe during the Dacian wars. Now when the confusion in the state was at its height, inasmuch as it was made known that there were three several emperors, Septimius Severus, Pescennius Niger, and Clodius Albinus, the priest of the Delphic Apollo was asked which of them as emperor would prove of most profit to the state, whereupon, it is said, he gave voice to a Greek verse as follows:
"Best is the Dark One, the African good, but the worst is the White One."
p449 2 And in this response it was clearly understood that Niger was meant by the Dark One, Severus by the African, and Albinus by the White One. 3 Thereupon the curiosity of the questioners was aroused, and they asked who would really win the empire. To this the priest replied with further verses somewhat as follows:
"Both of the Black and the White shall the life-blood be shed all untimely;
Empire over the world shall be held by the native of Carthage."
Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1122/africans-roman-era-europe#ixzz2hl3DMrKu
klik^ here you might be interested.do you know who the numidian soldier is to be? i have more picture of numidian cavalry in dacian war trajan column in my post above yours is the last photo of the emperor septimius severus? it looks a lot like the one in my post but without his family do you know if they are the same or one was made later and the date both of them are make? |
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 23:46:36 GMT -5
High ranking Numidian soldier stationed in Europe during the Dacian wars. Now when the confusion in the state was at its height, inasmuch as it was made known that there were three several emperors, Septimius Severus, Pescennius Niger, and Clodius Albinus, the priest of the Delphic Apollo was asked which of them as emperor would prove of most profit to the state, whereupon, it is said, he gave voice to a Greek verse as follows:
"Best is the Dark One, the African good, but the worst is the White One."
p449 2 And in this response it was clearly understood that Niger was meant by the Dark One, Severus by the African, and Albinus by the White One. 3 Thereupon the curiosity of the questioners was aroused, and they asked who would really win the empire. To this the priest replied with further verses somewhat as follows:
"Both of the Black and the White shall the life-blood be shed all untimely;
Empire over the world shall be held by the native of Carthage."
Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1122/africans-roman-era-europe#ixzz2hl3DMrKu
klik^ here you might be interested.do you know who the numidian soldier is to be? i have more picture of numidian cavalry in dacian war trajan column in my post above yours is the last photo of the emperor septimius severus? it looks a lot like the one in my post but without his family do you know if they are the same or one was made later and the date both of them are make? No name is given of the soldier but his dress makes him out to be of high rank, the last one is Septimius Severus and it is the same pic. btw the above was a prediction of the Delphic Apollo oracle about who was to become the Caesar of Rome, it involved a native of Africa and a dark-skinned man of African decent although born in Rome with a Spaniard called Albinus in a three way battle for the Roman empire all three being citizens of Rome. |
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Post by azrur on Oct 15, 2013 18:20:38 GMT -5
do you know who the numidian soldier is to be? i have more picture of numidian cavalry in dacian war trajan column in my post above yours is the last photo of the emperor septimius severus? it looks a lot like the one in my post but without his family do you know if they are the same or one was made later and the date both of them are make? No name is given of the soldier but his dress makes him out to be of high rank, the last one is Septimius Severus and it is the same pic. btw the above was a prediction of the Delphic Apollo oracle about who was to become the Caesar of Rome, it involved a native of Africa and a dark-skinned man of African decent although born in Rome with a Spaniard called Albinus in a three way battle for the Roman empire all three being citizens of Rome. who is the dark skin man of africa descent and the native of africa or are they the same person? one of them must have been the septimius severus right? |
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Post by anansi on Oct 15, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -5
who is the dark skin man of africa descent and the native of africa or are they the same person? one of them must have been the septimius severus right? Septimus Severus is named the African his opponent is named Pescennius Niger,it is the name Niger that made his African connection as one who may have family ties to that famous river, the Romans and others often used that name to mean Black along with Ethiop..hence he is called Pescennius the "Black".  There are number of different statues and coins that bare his likeness to me he looked like a man of mixed Eurasian African ancestry so think Obama with a beard. His house, still called by the name of Pescennius, may still be seen in the Field of Jupiter.48 Within, in a certain room with three compartments there stands his statue, carved in Theban marble,49 depicting his likeness, and given him by the common people of Thebes.º 5 There is preserved, besides, an epigram in Greek which, rendered into Latin, runs as follows:penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Historia_Augusta/Pescennius_Niger*.html |
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Post by azrur on Nov 25, 2013 1:46:03 GMT -5
she may be repeating some information of history but the way she interpret it is ridiculous and her understanding of north africa is none this is what she say about omar mukhtar that he was black and people in libya today are italians   here is his son who she says of him a turkish (i guess libya good place for turks to go live in desert) grandson  of kabyle she said of german vandal who come into algeria and speak berber language   _with_his_friends.jpg) 100% aryan nordic algerians? of this doug m i can not say but he seems to be parroting the dana words not good "black resist white betray" |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Nov 25, 2013 17:30:26 GMT -5
she may be repeating some information of history but the way she interpret it is ridiculous and her understanding of north africa is none this is what she say about omar mukhtar that he was black and people in libya today are italians here is his son who she says of him a turkish (i guess libya good place for turks to go live in desert) grandson of kabyle she said of german vandal who come into algeria and speak berber language 100% aryan nordic algerians? of this doug m i can not say but he seems to be parroting the dana words not good "black resist white betray" I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
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Post by azrur on Nov 27, 2013 0:56:21 GMT -5
she may be repeating some information of history but the way she interpret it is ridiculous and her understanding of north africa is none this is what she say about omar mukhtar that he was black and people in libya today are italians here is his son who she says of him a turkish (i guess libya good place for turks to go live in desert) grandson of kabyle she said of german vandal who come into algeria and speak berber language 100% aryan nordic algerians? of this doug m i can not say but he seems to be parroting the dana words not good "black resist white betray" I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Nov 27, 2013 13:41:22 GMT -5
I'm still not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. But if you mean someone suggesting Modern Lybians are really Italians, I'd say that is pure nonsense. Italy did colonize Lybia and I'm sure that a certain amount of Italians may have settled there, but it would have been very small. Lybians still speak Arabic and Berber, not Italian. Their music and dance is still distinctly African, not Italian or European. For example the Kabyle dance has more in common with African dances you see in Congo than it does with anything anywher in Europe. Africans dance with shalking hips, not Europeans. Raks Sharki, Raks Baladi, Raks Chabbi all these North African dance styles belong to the same movement family with other African dances. Even if you look at Alaoui dance in Algeria and you look at the way they move the shulders, it is much closer to Eithiopian Eskista dance to anything you see in Italy or Europe. I think people spend far too much time looking at skin color rather than culture and way of life. I think this tells the truth about who a people are and where they belong much more than people's idea of what they think an African should look like or who they are related to. The question is not IF North Africans are related to other Africans. The question is WHICH other Africans they are related to and how. Honestly, if we can accept people in the African diaspora who look just as white as Europeans, as being part of the African family, then why is it so hard to believe that people in North Africa who look the same are also part of the African family? Whether they look the way they do because of mixture or climactic adaptation or a combination of the two, there is much more about them that is distinctly African and very little about them that is European when you take into consideration, culture, geography, language etc. |
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