Nigerian Americans most succesful minority?

[kel]

"Are Nigerians or other black immigrants supposed to get permission from native blacks on how far they should go in life or they need to restrict their achievement to what native blacks have accomplished? What exactly is your point in mentioning that?"

No. but they should stop acting like what they have accomplished isn't a DIRECT result of native activism and struggle and that what they accomplish they do by taking advantage of opportunities originally earmarked for the Black Americans.

what is the point of your question ?

what is it exactly that Nigerians have accomplished that natives have not ? It is the native who have managed to carve out a space for themselves despite overwhelming numerical, political, cultural and financial odds in a society that marks them for an underclass. Whereas the Nigerians have to leave their own country and come to where the Black American has already prepared a base in order for them to be able to move up in life.

[asante]

Anasi if this a black website, then why in the Hell are you personally editing the word "coon" out of the discussions??? "Coons" are REAL




Coonism is REAL!!!

[zarahan]

“Folk” weren’t questioning the fetishisim they were talking ish about Nigerians and trying to downplay their achievements, similar to how some whites do when blacks or other POC accomplish things but play it off as leveling relevant critiques. In tone and substance of their language the jealousy and insecurity was obvious.

Please explain who is exploiting? How are they exploiting? And what “situation” are they exploiting?

Of course higher ed and income achievement puts some in a better situation than others. Are Nigerians or other black immigrants supposed to get permission from native blacks on how far they should go in life or they need to restrict their achievement to what native blacks have accomplished? What exactly is your point in mentioning that?

Those exploiting the issue are those using the Nigerian situation to take
unfair jibes at Black Americans as hapless unproductive, as compared to Nigerian
paragons of perfection in school and on the job. Black Americans too for their part
have taken some cheap shots at Nigerians. Some people on both sides are equally to blame
for excessive rhetoric.
www.library.yale.edu/~fboateng/akata.htm

ANd who says Nigerian Americans are supposed to wait for permission from Native Blacks?
No one said that- you did. What exactly is your point in mentioning that?

[zarahan]

Anasi if this a black website, then why in the Hell are you personally editing the word "coon" out of the discussions??? "Coons" are REAL

Coon is not as bad as other terms, but what you say makes little sense. Coon is a
derogatory slang term created by white Americans to insult or distort the image of Black AMericans.
WHy would you use that white derogatory term when it adds nothing to the discussion?
And why would a black website embrace such a derogatory term? So to be an "authentic"
black website admins have to include such "on the real" terms as coon and "nigg&%A$*r?"
I mean while we on it, why not jigabu, spade and all the rest?

[nebsen]

OK I'm going to go out on a leaf here. I've been a student of astrology for many years,(even do charts for family & friends) studied with a well known A.A astrologer & metaphysician Dr. A. Ligon & wife Bernice out of L.A; goggle him & you will see information about him wife, R.I.P & there impact on the Black community. With that said ,for those that are into astrology or open minded ( not talking about what your sign kind,) but real esoteric astrology . This brother Kevin D. Raphael Fitch, has written a first of it kind book of all the African countries & Caribbean with there astrological charts both Sidereal, tropical,& Verdic . The book is 585 pages, dates are based on times of their countries independence etc. I consider it to be a master piece of work. Nigeria has a very interesting chart (sidereal) Sun in Virgo in the 4th house which is ruled by Mercury, sign of the mind with a Gemini another very intellectual sign,it's rising sign... also ruled by Mercury. So when I saw this it all made sense to me ,if one has noticed Nigerians seem to be very represented in literature esp. the women, with many awards for literature both in the UK & here in America . I would like to show a picture of Nigeria's chart, but my scanner is not big enough to hold the weight of the book, so I will try to see if a friend will scan it for me for they have a large professional printer & scanner . Now I know some of you will po-po this, our make light of this ,but remember astrology was widely used in ancient Kemet along with other ancient civilizations which is good enough for me.

[zarahan]

Jun 11, 2018 20:10:49 GMT -5 nebsen said:

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OK I'm going to go out on a leaf here. I've been a student of astrology for many years,(even do charts for family & friends) even studied with a well known A.A astrologer & metaphysician Dr. A. Ligon & wife Bernice out of L.A; goggle him & you will see information about him wife, R.I.P & there impact on the Black community. With that said ,for those that are into astrology or open minded ( not talking about what your sign kind,) but real esoteric astrology . This brother Kevin D. Raphael Fitch, has written a first of it kind book of all the African countries & Caribbean with there astrological charts both Sidereal, tropical,& Verdic . The book is 585 pages, dates are based on times of their countries independence etc. I consider it to be a master piece of work. Nigeria has a very interesting chart (sidereal) Sun in Virgo in the 4th house which is ruled by Mercury, sign of the mind with a Gemini another very intellectual sign,it's rising sign... also ruled by Mercury. So when I saw this it all made sense to me ,if one has noticed Nigerians seem to be very represented in literature esp. the women, with many awards for literature both in the UK & here in America . I would like to show a picture of Nigeria's chart, but my scanner is not big enough to hold the weight of the book, so I will try to see if a friend will scan it for me for they have a large professional printer & scanner . Now I know some of you will po-po this, our make light of this ,but remember astrology was widely used in ancient Kemet along with other ancient civilizations which is good enough for me.

Huh? You sure you're posting this to the right thread? Might need to start a separate one on astrology.

[nebsen]

Jun 11, 2018 20:13:21 GMT -5 zarahan said:

Jun 11, 2018 20:10:49 GMT -5 nebsen said:

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OK I'm going to go out on a leaf here. I've been a student of astrology for many years,(even do charts for family & friends) even studied with a well known A.A astrologer & metaphysician Dr. A. Ligon & wife Bernice out of L.A; goggle him & you will see information about him wife, R.I.P & there impact on the Black community. With that said ,for those that are into astrology or open minded ( not talking about what your sign kind,) but real esoteric astrology . This brother Kevin D. Raphael Fitch, has written a first of it kind book of all the African countries & Caribbean with there astrological charts both Sidereal, tropical,& Verdic . The book is 585 pages, dates are based on times of their countries independence etc. I consider it to be a master piece of work. Nigeria has a very interesting chart (sidereal) Sun in Virgo in the 4th house which is ruled by Mercury, sign of the mind with a Gemini another very intellectual sign,it's rising sign... also ruled by Mercury. So when I saw this it all made sense to me ,if one has noticed Nigerians seem to be very represented in literature esp. the women, with many awards for literature both in the UK & here in America . I would like to show a picture of Nigeria's chart, but my scanner is not big enough to hold the weight of the book, so I will try to see if a friend will scan it for me for they have a large professional printer & scanner . Now I know some of you will po-po this, our make light of this ,but remember astrology was widely used in ancient Kemet along with other ancient civilizations which is good enough for me.

Huh? You sure you're posting this to the right thread? Might need to start a separate one on astrology.

Yes, I know what thread I'm on, subject might be one that is not discussed much here on ESR but it pertains to Nigeria !

Let me clarify, this post, is about Nigeria & it's sidereal astrological chart, which has two strong aspects with the planet Mercury, which is connect with the mind & intellect , also with Tahuti. So the people of Nigeria would have a tendency towards academic achievement etc . Yes, it's astrology but what's the saying" the stars don't lie "." Bless your lucky stars "" The stars are my religion" !

[zarahan]

OK, well how does the astrological chart tie into Nigerian education and socio-economic
advance in the US? Not knocking astrology per se- it is used on every continent- but does
the configuration of the constellations predict Nigerian prosperity in the US? WHat about
Nigeria and some of the terrible suffering there since independence like the heart-rending
Biafra War in which some 2 million civilians died, and another 2 -3 mil were displaced or
made refugees? I am just wondering about the tie-in to this particular thread.

Why don't you start something on astrology in Africa, and compare Nigeria to Egypt and other
parts. That might really open up the subject in its own right.

[nebsen]

Jun 11, 2018 21:00:26 GMT -5 zarahan said:

OK, well how does the astrological chart tie into Nigerian education and socio-economic
advance in the US? Not knocking astrology per se- it is used on every continent but does
the configuration of the constellations predict Nigerian prosperity in the US? WHat about
Nigeria and some of the terrible suffering there since independence like the heart-rending
Biafra War in which some 2 million civilians died, and another 2 -3 mil were displaced or
made refugees? I am just wondering about the tie-in to this particular thread.

Why don't you start something on astrology in Africa, and compare Nigeria to Egypt.
That might really open up the subject in its own right.

Well, because of strong mercury connection, which rules the mind( Gemini rising sign, &( Virgo Sun) which Nigeria has the populace are some what stamped with these traits, so no matter where they go they carry this imprint . Also Mercury can also be the" trickster " thus Nigerian scams are known world wide. If the folks here show an interest than we can explore the subject more,I guess I would not be the only person interest in the subject here on ESR ,but since this site is about objective history; some might have shied away from even bring it up,many people have a strong prejudice towards the subject, which I never have, for I know many of our ancestors used it as a forum divination in one form or another , Ifa also another forum, which people use who are also versed in astrology.

[anansi]

@ Asanti
[ Anasi if this a black website, then why in the Hell are you personally editing the word "coon" out of the discussions??? "Coons" are REAL]

Because you went ahead and generalise about Nigerians and African immigrants as such, so it's not only content but context that matters, if I let that slide, then I'd have to let others slide, then we end up in a sunken hostile place , and it's up to the gate keepers of ESR to keep that from happening, because a site is owned and operated by black folks doesn't mean it should follow a familiar pattern of rudeness and crudeness.

Our larger culture is filled with such, it is now a "Black" thing to be openly crude and disrespectful to each other, this, believe it or not have Negative consequences in doing businesses with one another, toddlers cussing out their parents, store keepers being rude to their customers,customers respond in kind, this let other ppl know, that's the way to operate and behave towards "Us" since that's the way we behave and talk to each other.

[asante]

Jun 10, 2018 18:19:03 GMT -5 kel said:

Asante is correct.

Nigerians who come here take advantage of affirmative action opportunities that were fought for and earned by Black Americans.

They then think they are special over Black Americans .......... its take them a while to learn the truth ... usually about 20 years or so.

This is an old game. Use immigrants to blunt the movement of Black Americans. - nothing new here.

If Nigerians are so smart why is their society so up that they have to come to the US to take advantage of opportunities that are the results of Black American work and sacrifice ??

Exactly bro!

[zarahan]

More overblown Chikin LIttle drama from from Nasheed. A few white guys and some Nigerian
women and he is sounding as laughable as the white right-wingers who lament
"the end of white culture" because some black guy doing a a white gal somewhere.
Really?

[africurious]

Jun 11, 2018 16:10:30 GMT -5 kel said:

"Are Nigerians or other black immigrants supposed to get permission from native blacks on how far they should go in life or they need to restrict their achievement to what native blacks have accomplished? What exactly is your point in mentioning that?"

No. but they should stop acting like what they have accomplished isn't a DIRECT result of native activism and struggle and that what they accomplish they do by taking advantage of opportunities originally earmarked for the Black Americans.

what is the point of your question ?

what is it exactly that Nigerians have accomplished that natives have not ? It is the native who have managed to carve out a space for themselves despite overwhelming numerical, political, cultural and financial odds in a society that marks them for an underclass. Whereas the Nigerians have to leave their own country and come to where the Black American has already prepared a base in order for them to be able to move up in life.

You either don’t know the definition of earmark or/and don’t understand how affirmative action works. There’re no earmarked positions for affirmative action in schools or jobs. That’d be illegal, smh. One black getting a spot doesn’t mean another won’t get one, smh. You sound like those racist whites who assume cuz they didn’t get in a school or a job they wanted it’s cuz a minority took “their spot” via affirmative action. I talk with a lot of black immigrants and I’m one myself. We know a lot about the black struggle for equality in the US, some of us even more than some AAs. 2 mods/founders of this site are black immigrants from Africa and Jamaica (anansi and takruri) who both know a ton about what’s gone on in American struggle. You mad at them too for taking your “earmark”? You should realize that blacks achieve ish not just by affirmative action cuz that ain’t even enough. So what black immigrants achieve ain’t just cuz they took your nonexistent earmark. Don’t hate, congratulate. Either way, we black immigrants are gonna continue tryna climb this racist ladder and we’re actually helping break down obstacles so other blacks can advance. So it’s not just AAs who are helping to advance black equality in this country although they set the foundation cuz they were here in greater #s. One hand washes the other but haters like you just try to protect your position on the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. Want to keep all the immigrant blacks behind you even though that ain’t doing ish to advance the position of AAs. But at least that way you can say another group is lower than your group.

Nigerians have accomplished a lot. That's why you hating. Don't worry I'll be addressing you and your fellow haters later with some additional info.

[africurious]

Jun 11, 2018 20:03:43 GMT -5 zarahan said:

“Folk” weren’t questioning the fetishisim they were talking ish about Nigerians and trying to downplay their achievements, similar to how some whites do when blacks or other POC accomplish things but play it off as leveling relevant critiques. In tone and substance of their language the jealousy and insecurity was obvious.

Please explain who is exploiting? How are they exploiting? And what “situation” are they exploiting?

Of course higher ed and income achievement puts some in a better situation than others. Are Nigerians or other black immigrants supposed to get permission from native blacks on how far they should go in life or they need to restrict their achievement to what native blacks have accomplished? What exactly is your point in mentioning that?

Those exploiting the issue are those using the Nigerian situation to take
unfair jibes at Black Americans as hapless unproductive, as compared to Nigerian
paragons of perfection in school and on the job. Black Americans too for their part
have taken some cheap shots at Nigerians. Some people on both sides are equally to blame
for excessive rhetoric.
www.library.yale.edu/~fboateng/akata.htm

ANd who says Nigerian Americans are supposed to wait for permission from Native Blacks?
No one said that- you did. What exactly is your point in mentioning that?

True, I’ve seen people exploit achievements gaps in this way but aint nobody mention that before Asante and Kel brought it up with their african immigrant bashing. The convo wasn’t even going that way nor was it even how the OP broached the thread. They are some triggered haters.

I didn’t make a statement. I asked a question cuz that’s the only thing I could see implied by your pointing out a fact which takes place in virtually all countries except for communist ones. That’s why I followed up and asked you what you meant exactly.

[africurious]

Now this is a post for all the playa haters, special shout out to Asante and Kel.

According to Census data, more than 43 percent of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher -- slightly more than immigrants from East Asia. Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees -- a significantly higher percentage even than Chinese or South Korean immigrants. African immigrants are also very likely to hold advanced degrees, many of which are earned at U.S. universities. By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologists including John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa averaged the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.

For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared with 42.5 of Asian-Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population as a whole.

About 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Gates and Guinier said, but somewhere between one-half and two-thirds of the black students were "West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples."

Immigrants, who make up 13 percent of the nation's college-age black population, account for more than a fourth of black students at Ivy League and other selective universities, according to the study of 28 colleges and universities. The authors of the study, published recently in the American Journal of Education, included Douglas S. Massey of Princeton University and Camille Z. Charles at the University of Pennsylvania. The proportion of immigrants was higher at private institutions, 28.8 percent, than at the public colleges, where they comprised 23.1 percent of enrollment.

3 preceding quotes from: www.africaresource.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=235:african-immigrants-are-the-most-educated&catid=135:immigration&Itemid=348

Are y'all big mad or little mad now? Uppity immigrant negroes stealing your shine?

I pulled the latest census data for median household income for several ethno-racial groups and surprisingly AAs were at the bottom (though of course other ethno-racial groups are likely to be lower too as I didn't pull the majority of groups):

(source: factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_15_SPT_B19013&prodType=table)

Asian Indian alone (400-401) $101,558
Filipino alone (420-421) $83,256
Russian (148-151) $75,283
Asian alone $74,245
Croatian (109-110) $70,382
Chinese alone (410-419) $69,689
German (032-045) $63,054
Portuguese (084-086) $62,943
Nigerian (553-560) $60,376
Spaniard (200-209) $59,724
French (except Basque) (016, 026-028, 083) $58,757
Dutch (021, 029) $58,240
Korean alone (440-441) $58,146
White alone $57,407
Ghanaian (529) $56,321
Total [U.S.] population $53,889
Cambodian alone (405-409) $53,569
Senegalese (564) $52,000
West Indian (335) $51,746
Hmong alone (422) $50,773
Bangladeshi alone (402) $48,103
Central American (excludes Mexican) (221-230) $43,181
Cuban (270-274) $42,660
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) (200-299) $42,651
Ethiopian (522-524) $42,485
Subsaharan African (All groups [500-599]) $42,290
American Indian and $37,408
Alaska Native alone
Black or African American alone $35,695

See all those black immigrant groups in bold earning way more than the median income of AAs (>$35.7k because black immigrants are included in the figure and they bring up the median)? Y'all haters mad? See the Nigerians earning more than even white americans, koreans, dutch--y'all mad? See them earning more than the american median while y'all earning way below--y'all mad? Wanna bash your black brother of immigrant stock instead of trying to figure out why the american systems is so f'd up? And no i'm not talking some nonsense about black immigrants being groomed or taking affirmative action spots.

Everytime I'm in the corporate world and I see a black face in a high position i'm proud. I may not know what background he/she is from but i'm proud one of us is on a high level. When I and fellow blacks in the corporate world give each other the black man nod we don't even know the background of the other but we know the struggle of the skin and see kin, hence the nod. Y'all hating negroes who can't contribute to solving problems but love to lament can stay in your corner cry me a river. I'ma build with the blacks (AAs, africans, immigrants, whoever) that're trying to move all of us ahead instead of knocking the next black group.