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Post by asante on Jun 12, 2018 14:24:55 GMT -5
More overblown Chikin LIttle drama from from Nasheed. A few white guys and some Nigerian women and he is sounding as laughable as the white right-wingers who lament "the end of white culture" because some black guy doing a a white gal somewhere. Really? No....Those Nigerian women in many cases (certainly not all nor most) are being coddled to interject their groomed behaviors into our society under the guise of being an authentic African. Let's play this game SPOT the Nigerian bed wench on the talking panel. Look at how REAL black people clown her for coming there promoting that WHITE FEMINIST AGENDA (the same one that DESTROYED the momentum of the Civil Rights movement) in the middle of a black empowerment debate (hosted by another proud black Kentuckian - Dr. Boyce Watkins)!!! As far as Tariq is concerned...Yeah I rock with him. I know that he rubs certain types of people the wrong way, but his ACTIONS are positive. |
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Post by asante on Jun 12, 2018 15:32:03 GMT -5
Now this is a post for all the playa haters, special shout out to Asante and Kel. www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-3 preceding quotes from: www.africaresource.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=235:african-immigrants-are-the-most-educated&catid=135:immigration&Itemid=348Are y'all big mad or little mad now? Uppity immigrant negroes stealing your shine?  I pulled the latest census data for median household income for several ethno-racial groups and surprisingly AAs were at the bottom (though of course other ethno-racial groups are likely to be lower too as I didn't pull the majority of groups): Asian Indian alone (400-401) $101,558 Filipino alone (420-421) $83,256 Russian (148-151) $75,283 Asian alone $74,245 Croatian (109-110) $70,382 Chinese alone (410-419) $69,689 German (032-045) $63,054 Portuguese (084-086) $62,943 Nigerian (553-560) $60,376Spaniard (200-209) $59,724 French (except Basque) (016, 026-028, 083) $58,757 Dutch (021, 029) $58,240 Korean alone (440-441) $58,146 White alone $57,407 Ghanaian (529) $56,321Total [U.S.] population $53,889 Cambodian alone (405-409) $53,569 Senegalese (564) $52,000West Indian (335) $51,746Hmong alone (422) $50,773 Bangladeshi alone (402) $48,103 Central American (excludes Mexican) (221-230) $43,181 Cuban (270-274) $42,660 Hispanic or Latino (of any race) (200-299) $42,651 Ethiopian (522-524) $42,485Subsaharan African (All groups [500-599]) $42,290American Indian and $37,408 Alaska Native alone Black or African American alone $35,695 See all those black immigrant groups in bold earning way more than the median income of AAs (>$35.7k because black immigrants are included in the figure and they bring up the median)? Y'all haters mad? See the Nigerians earning more than even white americans, koreans, dutch--y'all mad? See them earning more than the american median while y'all earning way below--y'all mad? Wanna bash your black brother of immigrant stock instead of trying to figure out why the american systems is so f'd up? And no i'm not talking some nonsense about black immigrants being groomed or taking affirmative action spots. Everytime I'm in the corporate world and I see a black face in a high position i'm proud. I may not know what background he/she is from but i'm proud one of us is on a high level. When I and fellow blacks in the corporate world give each other the black man nod we don't even know the background of the other but we know the struggle of the skin and see kin, hence the nod. Y'all hating negroes who can't contribute to solving problems but love to lament can stay in your corner cry me a river. I'ma build with the blacks (AAs, africans, immigrants, whoever) that're trying to move all of us ahead instead of knocking the next black group. Sir.....We are looking for a place in Africa to get away from these Devils. If it was really about all of that that you're saying then we could just sail on back to a Utopian Nigeria. That is not the case....Let's not play games here.  I'm not trying to scuff at Nigerians at all. I'm simply pointing to the fact that you all are being GROOMED (like mulattoes) to infiltrate our culture here in America WITH A WHITE SUPREMACIST AGENDA. Nigerian women (like at my old accounting job) are being surrounded by well to do white Americans in the workplace and are being used in a similar manner as Asians and White Hispanics. Kel broke it down perfectly. |
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Post by zarahan on Jun 12, 2018 22:18:37 GMT -5
Now this is a post for all the playa haters, special shout out to Asante and Kel. www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-3 preceding quotes from: www.africaresource.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=235:african-immigrants-are-the-most-educated&catid=135:immigration&Itemid=348Are y'all big mad or little mad now? Uppity immigrant negroes stealing your shine? I pulled the latest census data for median household income for several ethno-racial groups and surprisingly AAs were at the bottom (though of course other ethno-racial groups are likely to be lower too as I didn't pull the majority of groups): Asian Indian alone (400-401) $101,558 Filipino alone (420-421) $83,256 Russian (148-151) $75,283 Asian alone $74,245 Croatian (109-110) $70,382 Chinese alone (410-419) $69,689 German (032-045) $63,054 Portuguese (084-086) $62,943 Nigerian (553-560) $60,376Spaniard (200-209) $59,724 French (except Basque) (016, 026-028, 083) $58,757 Dutch (021, 029) $58,240 Korean alone (440-441) $58,146 White alone $57,407 Ghanaian (529) $56,321Total [U.S.] population $53,889 Cambodian alone (405-409) $53,569 Senegalese (564) $52,000West Indian (335) $51,746Hmong alone (422) $50,773 Bangladeshi alone (402) $48,103 Central American (excludes Mexican) (221-230) $43,181 Cuban (270-274) $42,660 Hispanic or Latino (of any race) (200-299) $42,651 Ethiopian (522-524) $42,485Subsaharan African (All groups [500-599]) $42,290American Indian and $37,408 Alaska Native alone Black or African American alone $35,695 See all those black immigrant groups in bold earning way more than the median income of AAs (>$35.7k because black immigrants are included in the figure and they bring up the median)? Y'all haters mad? See the Nigerians earning more than even white americans, koreans, dutch--y'all mad? See them earning more than the american median while y'all earning way below--y'all mad? Wanna bash your black brother of immigrant stock instead of trying to figure out why the american systems is so f'd up? And no i'm not talking some nonsense about black immigrants being groomed or taking affirmative action spots. Everytime I'm in the corporate world and I see a black face in a high position i'm proud. I may not know what background he/she is from but i'm proud one of us is on a high level. When I and fellow blacks in the corporate world give each other the black man nod we don't even know the background of the other but we know the struggle of the skin and see kin, hence the nod. Y'all hating negroes who can't contribute to solving problems but love to lament can stay in your corner cry me a river. I'ma build with the blacks (AAs, africans, immigrants, whoever) that're trying to move all of us ahead instead of knocking the next black group. Good roundup- real substance. Some questions: 1) But could not detractors argue that the progress of the Nigerians is artificial- built up by a white supremacist cabal to LOOK good, so as to pursue the white supremacist agenda? Exactly how ahem, an African-immigrant relentlessly progressing in his/her studies is part of the supremacist agenda has been left unexplained to date, but could not the racist power structure just be allowing these negroes the ILLUSION of progress so they can be used to make native blacks "look bad?"  here’re no earmarked positions for affirmative action in schools or jobs. That’d be illegal, smh. One black getting a spot doesn’t mean another won’t get one, smh. You sound like those racist whites who assume cuz they didn’t get in a school or a job they wanted it’s cuz a minority took “their spot” via affirmative action. 2) Could not the detractors argue that while quotas are illegal, "diversity" guidelines "encourage" the utilization of Nigerians and other Africans and Caribbean folk, essentially pushing aside native Americans who suffered for civil rights, and would be benefiting from these slots, in favor of foreigners? This is one of the major arguments- that affirmative action is benefiting those better off, not the broad masses. 3) How do you respond to the argument used by assorted white right-wingers, heriditarians, etc that poo poo African achievements by holding that such achievements are by an "elite"- educated way above the average of their home societies? 4) Finally, an assortment of racists, right wingers, etc allege that levels of "white blood" explain the progress of peoples of African descent. But how is it that your roundup shows Africans who have very little "white blood" so far ahead of the pack , particularly since the Africans are from a variety of situations- including refugees from the many wars and political turmoil in some African countries? Furthermore your roundup shows that Ethiopians, who are said by many to have more "Caucasoid" or "Eurasian" genes that those "more negroid" West African types, falling near the bottom of the pack. How can this be, if "Caucasoid blood" was working its magic? ANd how come the Black AMurricans who have up to 20% "white blood" in some studies (Kittles etc) are at the bottom of the pile? How can this possibly be? |
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Post by anansi on Jun 13, 2018 6:57:56 GMT -5
@ Asante
[ Sir.....We are looking for a place in Africa to get away from these Devils. If it was really about all of that that you're saying then we could just sail on back to a Utopian Nigeria. That is not the case....Let's not play games here. ]
Yes we all can cherry pick Nigerian slums or Nigerian high rise, the same can be said of the U.S Europe or places in Asia, is that the game you of all persons wanna play??
And in an Ironic twist, maybe ,just maybe such squalor exists in their home countries is the driving force to succeed, maybe even the poorest AAs haven't hit rock bottom like the above pic.
I've have watched Nigerians and other Africans hustling knock off bags,watches etc to tourist in NY Chinatown of all places sharing back ally kosk with Chinese, whom they had nothing in common with, back in the day and both hauling ass when the cops approach, today they moved in doors and are legit , I suspect these are the poorer sorts from such hellhole , who would later send their kids to go on to higher education.
My point is they are not afraid of the hustle with an end game, not just the hustle for hustling sake.
I've seen them doing the same raw Entrepreneurship in places in Asia, most Americans Black or others, are in the English language business or military, although the Money isn't bad, still they are working for someone, incidentally Jamaicans are into moving car parts. although some are in the English business.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 13, 2018 10:28:17 GMT -5
Yep, laughably cherry picked, just like white racists cherry pick pictures of black folk. And Asante's "Back to Africa" as far as any mass movement was/is a dubious pipe dream. And that pic of squalor can be seen in an assortment of Asian countries. Hell the grinding poverty of supposedly "advanced" India surpasses much of what is in Nigeria. And it is also seen in European countries at similar stages of development, or political turmoil/crisis. Here's Romania for example:  And "white feminism" did not destroy the momentum civil rights movement as claimed above. It had already slowed down due to internal disputes and political changes in the environment, long before white feminists gained much power. Sheesh is it this shallow? Whatever happened to a basic grasp of black history? Pause.. wait for 3-liner response blaming "the white man.." |
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Post by africurious on Jun 13, 2018 12:42:13 GMT -5
Good roundup- real substance. Some questions: 1) But could not detractors argue that the progress of the Nigerians is artificial- built up by a white supremacist cabal to LOOK good, so as to pursue the white supremacist agenda? Exactly how ahem, an African-immigrant relentlessly progressing in his/her studies is part of the supremacist agenda has been left unexplained to date, but could not the racist power structure just be allowing these negroes the ILLUSION of progress so they can be used to make native blacks "look bad?" That argument is so spurious it doesn't even require rebuttal but I sometimes engage those detractors cuz the argument grates me so much. From the census data I posted Nigerians in america have already surpassed the median income of white americans ($60.3k vs $57.4k). Do these detractors think this omniscent and omnipotent white bogeyman in this scenario would've allowed that to happen when said bogeyman could've just limited nigerians and other immigrant negroes to median incomes 20% lower than whites and still accomplished what these detractors have alleged? Or that this white bogeyman would've let asians make so much $ when they don't like them either? Makes no sense.
here’re no earmarked positions for affirmative action in schools or jobs. That’d be illegal, smh. One black getting a spot doesn’t mean another won’t get one, smh. You sound like those racist whites who assume cuz they didn’t get in a school or a job they wanted it’s cuz a minority took “their spot” via affirmative action. 2) Could not the detractors argue that while quotas are illegal, "diversity" guidelines "encourage" the utilization of Nigerians and other Africans and Caribbean folk, essentially pushing aside native Americans who suffered for civil rights, and would be benefiting from these slots, in favor of foreigners? This is one of the major arguments- that affirmative action is benefiting those better off, not the broad masses. 1: africans and caribbean folk were involved in the civil rights movement and in other black movements in america prior to that. Stokely Carmichael is one of the most notable figures from the civil rights movement and he was from Trinidad & Tobago. Marcus Garvey was Jamaican and started one of the largest pro-black movements in the US and inspired many blacks in the struggle who came after him. People need to recognize that blacks of immigrant stock have been in the trenches with american blacks for a long time. Just cuz people don't hear an accent or a name they find weird doesn't mean they're not immigrants or descended from immigrants.
2: Alls claims need evidence. Where's the evidence that the white bogeyman is favoring black immigrant stock over AAs? The disparity in achievement alone is no evidence of such.
3: "diversity" guidelines/affirmative action/etc. cannot explain the disparity in achievement between immigrant stock and AAs. It's a lazy argument but also ignorant cuz it assumes blacks get to where they are solely based on diversity/affirmative action.
4: The goal of affirmative action was changed in the 70s from specifically addressing black american oppression. People need to take up that issue with congress and the supreme court instead of coming at black immigrant stock. Further white women and all non-whites are beneficiaries of this too. Affirmative action is insufficient to address core factors in black inequality such as: historical red lining and still current housing discrimination that created/maintains segregated blighted black neighborhoods, unequal application of law enforcement against blacks, implicit/explicit bias at the individual human level. Further, America has become a more unequal country over the last several decades and it's now more difficult for the extreme lower classes to move up. Because black americans have been historically kept in a low econ position they are now disproportionately trapped in the low socio-econ bracket due to current american econ infrastructure (even if we disregard racism). That's the f'd up thing about it.
AAs are disproportionately high among lowest decile of US income where ppl are trapped in poverty. Quote is from this article (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/) which has pretty good explanation of american class structure.
3) How do you respond to the argument used by assorted white right-wingers, heriditarians, etc that poo poo African achievements by holding that such achievements are by an "elite"- educated way above the average of their home societies? This claim is actually true. But the problem is that these people aren't consistent with their argument and recognize that the success of asians in america is also due to this fact. It's been demonstrated by studies too that immigrant asians outperform old line asian americans in entry at elite american colleges. This was mentioned in a study discussed in the 2nd article I posted. The success of Ashkenazi jews in america likely works on a similar dynamic. Ashenazi jews in western europe were an economically powerful group better off than the avg w. european. We shouldn't be surprised that they went to another country (with their white skins) and still were an elite group. But racists prefer to use race and ethno-cultural arguments to explain these peoples successes.
4) Finally, an assortment of racists, right wingers, etc allege that levels of "white blood" explain the progress of peoples of African descent. But how is it that your roundup shows Africans who have very little "white blood" so far ahead of the pack , particularly since the Africans are from a variety of situations- including refugees from the many wars and political turmoil in some African countries? Furthermore your roundup shows that Ethiopians, who are said by many to have more "Caucasoid" or "Eurasian" genes that those "more negroid" West African types, falling near the bottom of the pack. How can this be, if "Caucasoid blood" was working its magic? ANd how come the Black AMurricans who have up to 20% "white blood" in some studies (Kittles etc) are at the bottom of the pile? How can this possibly be? Hahaha. Can I tell you how it makes me happy that the "true negroes" are the ones doing the best? Even subsaharans as a group have higher median income in the US than the caucasoid-blooded N. Africans . But I'm sure the racists are going to come up with some mental gymnastics to excuse this fact. |
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Post by africurious on Jun 13, 2018 12:59:43 GMT -5
@ Asante [ Sir.....We are looking for a place in Africa to get away from these Devils. If it was really about all of that that you're saying then we could just sail on back to a Utopian Nigeria. That is not the case....Let's not play games here. ] Yes we all can cherry pick Nigerian slums or Nigerian high rise, the same can be said of the U.S Europe or places in Asia, is that the game you of all persons wanna play?? And in an Ironic twist, maybe ,just maybe such squalor exists in their home countries is the driving force to succeed, maybe even the poorest AAs haven't hit rock bottom like the above pic. I've have watched Nigerians and other Africans hustling knock off bags,watches etc to tourist in NY Chinatown of all places sharing back ally kosk with Chinese, whom they had nothing in common with, back in the day and both hauling ass when the cops approach, today they moved in doors and are legit , I suspect these are the poorer sorts from such hellhole , who would later send their kids to go on to higher education. My point is they are not afraid of the hustle with an end game, not just the hustle for hustling sake. I've seen them doing the same raw Entrepreneurship in places in Asia, most Americans Black or others, are in the English language business or military, although the Money isn't bad, still they are working for someone, incidentally Jamaicans are into moving car parts. although some are in the English business. Some spot on comments anansi. @ Asante We were talking about nigerians in america, not about nigeria. How does cherry picking pics help AAs get out from the bottom of the socio-econ ladder? How does that stop Nigerians from getting more $$$ than AA's in AAs own country? How does what Nigerians or other black immigrants get paid prevent old line AAs from getting paid better? You still mad? Spam some more cherry picked pics while black immigrants get that $. |
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Post by kel on Jun 13, 2018 17:32:34 GMT -5
no one is bashing africans or west indians or immigrants in any way. cut the crap.
"Nigerians have accomplished a lot"
no one denies any of that. as a matter of fact what they do and achieve operates as inspiration for others.
but the fact remains, the room to the accomplish anything here as blacks and immigrants was won by the hard work of black americans and west indians ( garvey, x, carmichael, farrakhan) and then some 'johnny come lately' africans - typically nigerians want to act like what they do occurs in a vacuum. it does not.
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Post by piccolo on Jun 13, 2018 20:08:12 GMT -5
The problem is that articles like what was posted in the OP seem like it has less to do with acknowledging Nigerian immigrants success and more to do with subtlety insulting African Americans.
I don't agree with posting pictures of Nigerian slums but to say we can also post pictures of the ghettos in America isn't really a concrete argument because no one is saying African Americans are doing better than (insert group) These articles have always just been white Americans way of slyly inserting that we are lazy and shiftless because the immigrants that come to this country do better than us academically. Also it ignores America's racist history because any progress we did make was met with destruction from white Americans.
I had no idea this site was created and ran by black immigrants. Now I understand why you all didn't ban that poster with the racist caricature.
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Post by anansi on Jun 13, 2018 21:46:48 GMT -5
@ Piccolo
[ I had no idea this site was created and ran by black immigrants. Now I understand why you all didn't ban that poster with the racist caricature.]
Actually the site is created by an old line AA and ran by old line AAs and Newly minted AAs or African transplants living in the Caribbean, matter of fact this site is a clear example of the various communities coming together with similar interest.
What poster with racist caricature?? it is possible something flew under the radar , but if you find something definitely offensive, make use of the P.M we will investigate and take necessary action.
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Post by asante on Jun 15, 2018 20:24:29 GMT -5
Right on time!
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Post by kel on Jun 15, 2018 23:29:43 GMT -5
So......... How will the Super Eagles do in the World Cup  Why they havent won one yet is mind boggling. |
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Post by africurious on Jun 21, 2018 16:11:06 GMT -5
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