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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Nov 30, 2018 15:17:07 GMT -5
Recently posted: [Beta Israel] are converts.
Who converted them when?
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Post by africurious on Dec 14, 2018 12:53:13 GMT -5
Recently posted: [Beta Israel] are converts. Who converted them when? I don’t know. The answer is not necessary to conclude they are descended from converts. If you believe they aren’t descended from converts, why not share with us why you believe so?
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 14, 2018 17:14:37 GMT -5
Interesting, imaginary proselytizers are accepted as fact by western white scholars without a shred of evidence.
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Post by anansi on Dec 16, 2018 22:33:35 GMT -5
Well the story goes according to the Kebra Naghast that they came from the sons of Solomon's court when they fled Israel with Menelik, along with the stolen ark. Should we take them at their word?? maybe not, but they don't care, they survived hundreds if not thousands of yrs knowing what they know.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 17, 2018 11:56:19 GMT -5
Beta Israel does not accept the Kebra Nagast and have low regard for Makeda. Since the West loves that story, they started using it in the 80's as a ploy to 'bilk' Westerners like NACOEJ. To the Kebra Nagast set of Ethiopians, the Beta Israel are falashas (foreigners with no vested land in the country). And there are worse names and attitudes. On the other side the scale Beta Israel discornfully call Ethiopians Kushi. Genetics tell us the Horn received significant gene flow from 'SW Asia'. What they keep on the low is the migration was sex biased. Way out of proportion, SWA females flowed into the Horn ~1000BCE, near the purported date of a supposed United Kingdom of Israel. Know anything about the Kebra's 'original form' from Syriac then adopted and expanded in Ethiopia? I can't find an awful lot about that and wonder its validity. ... according to the Kebra Naghast ... they came from the sons of Solomon's court when they fled Israel with Menelik, along with the stolen ark.
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Post by anansi on Dec 18, 2018 2:14:41 GMT -5
Only the paper back version I bought yrs ago by Miguel F Brooks . Are you suggesting a trade in female slaves from SWA into the Axumite or pre Axumite kingdom of DMT.
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Post by jari on Jan 9, 2019 16:58:35 GMT -5
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Post by zarahan on Jan 10, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -5
This makes the most sense to me, if Beta Israel were originally Nubian/Sudanese ancient Jews it would explain why the Ethiopians discriminated against them so and their heritage as legitimate Jews practicing ancient sect.
^^Yes. THis "in situ" approach is a reasonable theory- I think it makes more sense than the isolated non-jew conversion model circa 1300-1500. There is no reason a separate Egyptian or Nubian sect could not have emerged, and from there- sprout varied offshoots further down into Africa.
Article says: The conventional theory among historians today attributes the origin of the Ethiopian Jews to a separatist movement that branched out of Christianity and adopted Judaism between the fourteenth and sixteenth centuries
The ELephantine model seems more realistic than "separatism" above. JEws were in Egypt as we know and some may have been tributary to the Egyptians- a foreign group on the edge of the main kingdom but having to pay tribute. Or maybe just migrant settlers in Elephantines. These groups may have had links deep into the Sudan and from there the Horn. But Egypt is not the only possibility. We also know the Kushites had links over into Palestine as did the Egyptians. Indeed according to Henry Aubin's theory it was the 25th Dynasty under Tirhakah that helped saved JErusalem. Tirhaka, and an event along these lines is mentioned in the Bible- Book of Kings.
Re SUdan, in the New Testament there are links between Kush (sudan) and Palestine also shown. Thus the Kushite chariot rider in Acts 8 in the narrative "came up to worship at Jerusalem." SInce CHristianity was not widely established outside Palestine or surrounding, and it is recorded that Phillip the Evangelist converted and baptised the Kushite into CHristianity, the chariot rider, said to be a man of power under the Candace in the Biblical narrative, must have been to Jerusalem for religious practice connected with Judaism. He read from the Prophet Isaiah in his chariot, showing a familiarity with Jewish learning, belief and tradition. So these links from Egypt/Nubia to Palestine and Judaism existed BEFORE the coming of CHristianity.
Either way- the Egyptian connection, or the Kushite connection shows there was established movement back and forth into Palestine, allowing plenty of scope for Jews mixing with local Egyptians or local Kushites with their progeny being seen as Jews, later dispersing to the Horn and fragmented. The large number of SW women could be war captives, or refugees from the various defeats the Hebrew/Jews suffered in Palestine, coming into Egypt or Kush. OR maybe people fleeing drought etc etc moving West into Egypt or Kush. Or maybe a settlement of some sort that ran into trouble and got marooned in Ethiopia. Elephantine was relatively close to the border with Kush/Nubia, not thousands of miles distant. There seem to be plenty of possibilities long before any fourteenth and sixteenth centuries separatism, and before the incoming of Christianity on the scene..
SWA females flowed into the Horn ~1000BCE, near the purported date of a supposed United Kingdom of Israel. Could Wars and associated turmoil and displacement around this time account for the relatively large movement of SW females? When was the big influx detected-what era?
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 24, 2019 23:47:43 GMT -5
American Sephardi Federation
Jewish Africa Conference EVENT — CONFERENCE Jan 27 - 29 Center for Jewish History Jewish Africa Conference
Sunday 27 January 7:00-9:00 PM — OPENING CULTURAL EVENING Musical Groups; Welcome Remarks
28 January 9:00 AM — Registration & Refreshments 9:30 AM — Opening Remarks and Keynote 10:00 AM — Historical survey of North African Jewish life session 11:30 AM — Historical survey of Sub-Saharan African Jewish life session 1:00 PM — Lunch 2:30 PM — Contemporary life of North African Jewish people and sites 4:00 PM — Contemporary life of Sub-Saharan African Jewish people and sites
29 January 9:00 AM — Registration and Refreshments 9:30 AM — Encounters between Jews and non-Jews in contemporary Africa 11:00 AM — Diarna Introduction and Presentation 12:30 PM — Strategic planning lunch: Focus groups discussing plans and projects for the future of Jewish Africa 2:00 PM — Presentations of focus groups and projects for the future of Jewish Africa 4:30 PM — Closing remarks
CONTEXT Since Biblical times, from Abrahams journey to Egypt and the later Israelite captivity under the Pharaohs, the Jewish people have had close ties with Africa. Some Jewish communities in Africa are amongst the oldest in the world, dating back more than 2,700 years (Morocco, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Algeria). Today, Jews and Judaism in Africa show an ethnic and religious diversity and richness almost unparalleled on any other continent.
CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS A circle of emerging African leaders and researchers will analyze a broad spectrum of issues pertaining to the history and contemporary situation of Jewish Africa, including the role of Jews and the need of Jewish voices in African civil society, the development of Jewish space, perspectives on old and new African Jewish identities, and encounters between Jews and non-Jews in contemporary Africa.
TOPICS TO BE DISCUSSED Jewish heritage in Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Ethiopia, Cape Verde, Ouganda, and South Africa; Black African Judaism; Future for Judaism in Africa; and preserving the memory and heritage of African Judaism in the 21st Century via Digital Heritage Mappings Diarna Geo-Museum and Atlas of Jewish History initiative.
The central idea is to approach these topics from the point of view of Jewish African leaders. In doing so, the conference seeks to provide a platform and create a meaningful network of researchers and Jewish African leaders.
DESCRIPTION OF ASF-MIMOUNA PARTNERSHIP The ASF is partnered with Association Mimouna to celebrate Judeo-Moroccan history, traditions, and culture, as well as the Moroccan culture of co-existence. Since 2014, The ASF and Association Mimouna have done a series of major events in New York City, including the Moroccan-Jewish Caravan, From Casablanca to New York: A Night of Moroccan Culture, the 20th and 21st Anniversary Editions of the NY Sephardic Jewish Film Festival, and
an event with the Muslim World League honoring the heroism of Muslims who protected Jewish communities and/or saved Jewish refugees during the Holocaust.
These events have been both well-attended (indeed, the Opening Night of the 20th NYSJFF honoring Mr. André Azoulay, Counsellor to the King of Morocco, and our other events at The Center for Jewish History were all sold out) and drew the attention of leading publications, such as Tablet Magazine, CS Monitor, and the Times of Israel. Our work together preserving Jewish historical sites in Morocco, via a mutual partner, the Diarna Geo-Museum of North African and Middle Eastern Jewish Life, has also been featured in The New York Times.
January 27 – January 29, 2019 Jan 27 at 7:00 pm to Jan 29 at 5:00 pm The Center for Jewish History 15 W 16th St, New York, NY 10011
About Us The American Sephardi Federation preserves and promotes the history, traditions, and rich mosaic culture of Greater Sephardic communities as an integral part of the Jewish experience.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 25, 2019 0:03:22 GMT -5
JEWISH AFRICA FILM FESTIVAL The Jewish Africa Conference, presented by The American Sephardi Federation and Association Mimouna, is bringing together a circle of emerging entrepreneurs, communal leaders, and prominent scholars who will analyze a broad spectrum of issues pertaining to the history and contemporary role of Jews in Sub-Saharan and North Africa, as well as the need for Jewish voices in African civil society, the development and preservation of Jewish space, perspectives on old and new African Jewish identities, and relations between Jews and non-Jews. Featured among the speakers will be Chief [Israelite] Rabbi Capers Funnye, Dr. Tudor Parfitt, Dr. Shalva Weil, Dr. Marla Brettschneider and Remy Ilona. Link to another oversize picture of R"Funnye Kulanu is delighted to invite you to our first Jewish Africa Film Festival, part of our 25th anniversary-year celebration. We are honored to hold this on January 28th and 29th at the Center for Jewish History, 15 W 16th St in New York City, as a companion program to the Jewish Africa Conference of the American Sephardi Federation and Association Mimouna. Please join us to view two films per night on Jewish life in Ghana, Uganda, Madagascar, and Nigeria. Take part in Q and A sessions with either the director or a participant from the films each night, and meet old and new Kulanu friends at our wine and cheese reception before the films. Monday, 28 January Gabrielle Zilkha’s “Doing Jewish: A Story from Ghana” (2016) David Vinik and Debra Gonsher Vinik’s "Yearning to Belong” (2007) Tuesday, 29 January Joshua Kristal’s "Journey to Judaism: The Jews of Madagascar” (2016) Jeff Lieberman’s “Re-Emerging: The Jews of Nigeria” (2012) Each night: 6:30 pm: Wine and cheese reception; 7 pm: films begin Q and A and light snacks after the films.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 25, 2019 0:42:03 GMT -5
Are you suggesting a trade in female slaves from SWA into the Axumite or pre Axumite kingdom of DMT. They were a beguiling bevvy of thirsty American Gods Bilquis babes running at large Both Shores of the Gate!
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