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Post by asante on Mar 14, 2019 13:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by asante on Mar 14, 2019 17:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by zarahan on Mar 16, 2019 17:12:27 GMT -5
Under CHristian doctrine Toko of course could not be, and his teachings flatly
contradict the faith received and passed down some 2 thousands years including the faith of
the Ethiopian CHurch, Nor would Muslims accept someone who just showed up and said he was
the next true prophet after Muhammed. They would insist on a credibility test.
Toko's case appears to be the sort of syncretism/mix of indigenous COngo religion
and Catholicism, a variant of similar syncretism in the Americas, and other regions,
including EUrope which produced its own variants.
But no doubt there are those who hail TOko. One man said he murdered Toko but saw him a
few days later. Others say they saw a heavenly army surround Toko in 1959. If indeed so,
it did scant service in battling the colonial regime, and later CIA machinations in the COngo.
The 2nd video says white people think black people have supernatural abilities. But this blanket
claim is shaky. SOME white people may think so after encountering santeria, or voodoo, or witchdoctors
but others reject any such notion.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 16, 2019 18:34:46 GMT -5
Under CHristian doctrine Toko of course could not be, and his teachings flatly contradict the faith received and passed down some 2 thousands years including the faith of the Ethiopian CHurch, Nor would Muslims accept someone who just showed up and said he was the next true prophet after Muhammed. They would insist on a credibility test. Toko's case appears to be the sort of syncretism/mix of indigenous COngo religion and Catholicism, a variant of similar syncretism in the Americas, and other regions, including EUrope which produced its own variants. But no doubt there are those who hail TOko. One man said he murdered Toko but saw him a few days later. Others say they saw a heavenly army surround Toko in 1959. If indeed so, it did scant service in battling the colonial regime, and later CIA machinations in the COngo. The 2nd video says white people think black people have supernatural abilities. But this blanket claim is shaky. SOME white people may think so after encountering santeria, or voodoo, or witchdoctors but others reject any such notion. very interesting ,I'm going to ad to this mix..ever heard of the acended Masters ? So here is a video about who they are...also there is a ascended e master Afra who is supposedly over the Continent of Africa ..I knew a brother who believed in the ascended masters who is now a ancestor..but what's is really strange to me is a white guy who is channeling Afra to the world..whats your thoughts..you know I like to mix it up lol  |
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Post by asante on Mar 17, 2019 2:52:07 GMT -5
Under CHristian doctrine Toko of course could not be, Not the return of "Jesus", but a Christ figure as seen throughout the ancient black world. Christ is title that reflects a level of enlightenment that one has achieved. The second video with Alim Bey should have provided great enough detail to see that. Simeon Toko clearly achieved a level of spiritual enlightenment if we are to believe the European press at the time, and the eye witness accounts of thousands of central Africans (some of which still alive today). Toko stopped a plane in mid flight attempting to drop him in the Atlantic with a Catholic priest on board. The plane began to go down, and the priest attempted to reverse the "voodoo" that Toko was using, but to no avail. Toko said if he goes then they all go, and so they took him back home. The pope at the time took heavy consideration in actually adding to the bible to reflect the return of a Christ Figure. No he told the Belgians that they had 10 years to leave the Congo, and the Belgians left the Congo in 10 years. The thousands of Congolese who lived in the area saw the army of the Tokoleshe coming from the ground flipping over Belgian tanks with one arm. The Belgiums scattered like roaches, and the country won it's Independence. There were different political factions that the Europeans and Americans exploited in the years to come, but the complete violation of the nation's sovereignty (Colonialism) had ceased when he said that it would! White people think that they're slick. They tried to turn Africans and extended groups against our understanding of nature's sciences (voodoo), so that they can try to pick it up. They have no link to the divine, so they can only study and try to mimic what they see us do. |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 18, 2019 0:22:50 GMT -5
asante says
a Christ figure as seen throughout the ancient black world. Christ is title that reflects a level of enlightenment that one has achieved.
An interesting angle which some nationalists say is a based on copying an Asian Buddah/Krishna/New Age
enlightened master framework only with some black in it. I think there may be much more it it that that.
But coupla questions. Where in the African world would be the enlightenment figure, and did the people
of that ancient African world really use this same framework? In what way did the ancient Kushites for
example maintain a belief system along these lines? ANd even the Egyptians with their multiple
animal deities or manifestations. Yes there was Horus, Seth etc, but how are these ascended
masters of enlightenment compared to other senior Egyptian gods, like SHu, Tefnut, Sebek, or Hathor?
Is Hathor an ascended master for example? How can said gods be ascended masters seeing as they were
not human, and/or did not permanently become or maintain their full essence of humanity?
If the master is a human that got close to the gods via enlightenment, who in Kemet would that be?
and how are they the enlightenment level figure? Many pharaohs styled themselves as close to the
gods and build big pyramids as part of that. Which pharaoh is an ascended master? Is Djoser one
of the ascended masters? Is Rameses II one of the masters? What about Taharqa? What about those
later on in Kush that gave primary place to the lion-god Apedemak?
And what about ancient West Africa? WHo are the ascended masters among the ancient Yoruba?
They are part of the classical mix as well as far as established early cultures. WHat about
the ancient San who were in place long before Egyptians or Kushites showed up? What about the
ancient African cultures of the Sahara and East Africa from whence Kemet sprung? DId thy produce
no masters?
What ancient black writings specifically support the enlightened master ascended framework among the ancients?
And how are they different from the Asiatic versions of model?
I think various specifics supporting your framework would help you to fine tune it when you run
up against certain nationalists.
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Post by anansi on Mar 18, 2019 5:53:13 GMT -5
Quote[ If the master is a human that got close to the gods via enlightenment, who in Kemet would that be?
and how are they the enlightenment level figure? Many pharaohs styled themselves as close to the
gods and build big pyramids as part of that. Which pharaoh is an ascended master? Is Djoser one
of the ascended masters? Is Rameses II one of the masters? What about Taharqa? What about those
later on in Kush that gave primary place to the lion-god Apedemak? ]
I think most African religions of the non Abrahamic kind, would sorta have a Masonic flavor, with their secretive nature, and rather than Djozer it would be Imhotep who imo would be the closest to that image.. although all Pharaohs were divine, Piankhi's war on Libyan occupied Egypt, was no secular war of Kings, but to restore Maat.
African folks rarely insist other folks worshipped their deities,but non African are often seduced by it,although most within that same group tried to stomped it out, and this goes back as far away as Justinian closing the Isis temple on Philae.
Madame Laveau of New Orleans had many adherents who were white this including members of the slave owning class..this was the same in Cuba and Brazil.
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Post by anansi on Mar 18, 2019 6:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by nebsen on Mar 18, 2019 14:55:17 GMT -5
asante says a Christ figure as seen throughout the ancient black world. Christ is title that reflects a level of enlightenment that one has achieved. An interesting angle which some nationalists say is a based on copying an Asian Buddah/Krishna/New Age enlightened master framework only with some black in it. I think there may be much more it it that that. But coupla questions. Where in the African world would be the enlightenment figure, and did the people of that ancient African world really use this same framework? In what way did the ancient Kushites for example maintain a belief system along these lines? ANd even the Egyptians with their multiple animal deities or manifestations. Yes there was Horus, Seth etc, but how are these ascended masters of enlightenment compared to other senior Egyptian gods, like SHu, Tefnut, Sebek, or Hathor? Is Hathor an ascended master for example? How can said gods be ascended masters seeing as they were not human, and/or did not permanently become or maintain their full essence of humanity? If the master is a human that got close to the gods via enlightenment, who in Kemet would that be? and how are they the enlightenment level figure? Many pharaohs styled themselves as close to the gods and build big pyramids as part of that. Which pharaoh is an ascended master? Is Djoser one of the ascended masters? Is Rameses II one of the masters? What about Taharqa? What about those later on in Kush that gave primary place to the lion-god Apedemak? And what about ancient West Africa? WHo are the ascended masters among the ancient Yoruba? They are part of the classical mix as well as far as established early cultures. WHat about the ancient San who were in place long before Egyptians or Kushites showed up? What about the ancient African cultures of the Sahara and East Africa from whence Kemet sprung? DId thy produce no masters? What ancient black writings specifically support the enlightened master ascended framework among the ancients? And how are they different from the Asiatic versions of model? I think various specifics supporting your framework would help you to fine tune it when you run up against certain nationalists.  the Egyptians Philosophers by Molefi Kete Assante is a excellent book that celebrates ancient Kemet philosophers & Philosophers Kings..clearly Imhotep would be a Ascended Master all things being equal ,My only criticism about this most excellent book it needed a better editor. |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 18, 2019 19:46:43 GMT -5
Quote[ If the master is a human that got close to the gods via enlightenment, who in Kemet would that be? and how are they the enlightenment level figure? Many pharaohs styled themselves as close to the gods and build big pyramids as part of that. Which pharaoh is an ascended master? Is Djoser one of the ascended masters? Is Rameses II one of the masters? What about Taharqa? What about those later on in Kush that gave primary place to the lion-god Apedemak? ] I think most African religions of the non Abrahamic kind, would sorta have a Masonic flavor, with their secretive nature, and rather than Djozer it would be Imhotep who imo would be the closest to that image.. although all Pharaohs were divine, Piankhi's war on Libyan occupied Egypt, was no secular war of Kings, but to restore Maat. African folks rarely insist other folks worshipped their deities,but non African are often seduced by it,although most within that same group tried to stomped it out, and this goes back as far away as Justinian closing the Isis temple on Philae. Madame Laveau of New Orleans had many adherents who were white this including members of the slave owning class..this was the same in Cuba and Brazil. Yes EUropeans are obsessed with ancient Kemet. even creating an special academic discipline. WHo was this Madame Laveau? Members of the slave owning class showed up to do mystical business with her? |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 18, 2019 19:52:33 GMT -5
the Egyptians Philosophers by Molefi Kete Assante is a excellent book that celebrates ancient Kemet philosophers & Philosophers Kings..clearly Imhotep would be a Ascended Master all things being equal ,My only criticism about this most excellent book it needed a better editor. Hmm, never seen this book before. I'll check it out. I notice both you and Anansi tab Imhotep as a good candidate for ascended master class. Wny Imhotep and not say Khufu of Great Pyramid Fame? Yeah he was a brilliant guy who is credited with pyramid design, but seeing as the pharaohs were supposed to be closer to the gods than commoners, and had all the priests and such working for them to ensure successful navigation thru the dark realm and judgement scales that await every man, etc, what would make him leap ahead of the queue, so to speak? Toko himself was not as famous or well connected as Imhotep with the royal court and the rulers etc, but his followers hold that he did many signs. According to white authoress Cindy Dale in her Book Advanced Chakra Healing, one time Toko was attacked and the murderers threw him into the blades of a threshing machine that severed his body into several pieces. But Toko reassembled himself out of the pieces. According to other followers, Toko was being deported to Portugal when he commanded the plane he was flying in to stop in mid air, and there it froze with no movement until Toko's captors pleaded with him to release the plane, whereupon Toko restarted the engines. When he died in 1984 he was still held to be alive and coming back to visit regularly as a ghostly apparation. According to another story doctors decided to experiment on Toko's corpse and proceeded to cut out his heart. Whereupon Toko suddenly sat up and asked them why they were thus persecuting him. |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 18, 2019 21:35:15 GMT -5
Another notable black claimant to ascended or exalted status is American religious leader Father Divine. Divine closely studied theosophy and other New Thought works and rejected Christianity, though sometimes making Biblical quotations. His followers held that he was indeed the Almighty. Those who crossed him would pay the price. Divine attracted thousands, and did many signs followers hold. One tine he was cast into prison by a white judge for being a public nuisance. A few days later, the judge fell dead from a heart attack. "I hated to do it" said Divine regretfully, from his jail cell.  In 1951, Divine called for reparations for the descendants of slaves, putting him ahead of his times supporters hold. www.fatherskingdommovie.com/2017/11/10/the-civil-rights-leader-youve-never-heard-of/ |
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Post by anansi on Mar 18, 2019 22:05:54 GMT -5
To Zarahan :[Marie Laveau AMERICAN VODOU QUEEN Marie Laveau, also spelled Laveaux, (born 1801?, New Orleans, Louisiana [now in the U.S.]—died June 15, 1881, New Orleans), Vodou queen of New Orleans. Laveau’s powers reportedly included healing the sick, extending altruistic gifts to the poor, and overseeing spiritual rites. Life In New Orleans There is some confusion regarding Laveau’s year of birth. Some documents indicate that she was born in 1794, while other research supports 1801 as the year of her birth. She is said to have been born to an African woman, named Marguerite Darcantel, and to Charles Laveau. Marie Laveau married a Creole man from Sainte-Domingue (now Haiti) named Jacques Paris. He reportedly disappeared and was later reported dead. Upon his disappearance, Laveau began referring to herself as the “Widow Paris.” After the reported death of her husband, Laveau started a relationship with Jean Louis Christophe Duminy de Glapion. Together, they had several children, some of whom were victims of the various yellow fever outbreaks that plagued New Orleans due to the city’s poor drainage system. Although Laveau was a committed mother and wife, much of her priority in caretaking was extended to her spiritual children and the general community. Laveau became a hairdresser to create economic stability for herself and her family. Through interaction with her black clients who were house servants, she was exposed to personal information about her wealthy white clients, who often sought her counsel. Laveau used this information to give informed counsel to the people who sought advice from her concerning their personal affairs. Many wealthy and politically affluent individuals, both white and black, paid Laveau for personal advice, intervention in some situation, and protection against any evil energy that might have been placed against them. Vodou In New Orleans Vodou, as a religious system, is derived from spiritual practices from Dahomey, the historic western African kingdom (located in what is now Benin). Vodou is actually a Fon word that means “spirit” or “deity.” Vodou was transported to the United States during the transatlantic slave trade. African religion was brought to New Orleans, first by the initial group of enslaved Africans from western Africa. After the revolution in Sainte-Domingue (1791–1804), another wave of African people brought their religion to New Orleans. The Vodou tradition was strengthened and reinforced by the free and enslaved African community of New Orleans. It is important to note that the practice of Vodou in New Orleans is not the purest manifestation of Vodou as it was known in Dahomey. Also, it is not the same religious system that is observed in Haiti. Sainte-Domingue was isolated, and religious and cultural practices were maintained and sustained. However, in New Orleans Vodouists had to adhere to strict European laws, codes, and oppression associated with enslavement. Vodou was often under scrutiny by public officials and the law. Nevertheless, Vodou held a strong presence in New Orleans throughout the centuries, and Vodou ceremonies and activities took place at various sites around the city. Vodou in New Orleans consisted of root work and gris-gris or ju-ju. People would seek out “conjurers” or other spiritualists for spiritual intervention or protection in their daily affairs. These favors ranged from those concerning love to political influence. Although most workers used their powers for positive forces, there were some who did not. It was probably the work of this small percentage of people that was sensationalized by people outside of the religion. This aspect of the religion became known as hoodoo and is often the basis for misconceptions that public society has about Vodou. The Vodou Queen Said by some to be the granddaughter of a powerful priestess in Sainte-Domingue, Laveau reportedly had a familial background in African spirituality. She was drawn to religion after the death of her mother. Laveau underwent the tutelage of Dr. John Bayou, a well-known Senegalese conjurer (root worker). She did not take long to dominate the culture and society of Vodou in New Orleans. As a queen for several decades, Laveau was mother to many. People sought her advice for marital affairs, domestic disputes, judicial issues, childbearing, finances, health, and good luck. Laveau would in turn counsel her practitioners by supplying them with advice or with protective spiritual objects such as candles, powder, and an assortment of other items mixed together to create a gris-gris. As queen, Laveau predominately orchestrated rituals at three main sites: her home on St. Ann Street, Congo Square, and Lake Pontchartrain. At her home on St. Ann Street, Laveau would converse with clients who would meet with her regarding any issues they were having. In her backyard, she would also have ceremonies that conjured the spirit of the Great Zombi, the deity Damballah Wedo who would manifest through a snake. The second major ritualistic space, Congo Square, was a public square that was set aside by city officials as a gathering space for both enslaved and free African people. Laveau would gather her followers here on Sundays to dance and worship. No major ceremonies would take place here, but it was a place of spiritual gathering and rejuvenation for Africans who experienced major oppression and hardships both on the plantation and as free citizens. The last place of significance that was presided over by Laveau was Bayou St. John’s, which was located on the shore of Lake Pontchartrain. It was here that major ceremonies took place among the initiated in the religion. Laveau would often be accompanied by her “king” or a second-ranking male officiate. Singing, dancing, drumming, and spirit possession would occur in these gatherings. Curious white people would often sneak into the woods to witness these ceremonies. For sensationalism, they would often report extreme tales of what they witnessed. Rivals There were often rivalries over who should rule the Vodou system in New Orleans. Before Laveau took reign, there were two women who preceded her as queen. The first was Sanité Dédé, who ruled for several years before she was usurped by Marie Saloppé, who introduced Laveau to the intricacies of the religion and provided her with her fundamental tutelage. After taking a prominent stance as Vodou queen, Laveau reigned unchallenged until 1850, when another Creole woman named Rosalie attempted to challenge Laveau’s position. To create an aura of fear and awe, Rosalie placed a huge life-sized wooden doll in her yard that was said to have been imported from Africa. The statue was covered with beads and intricate carvings. When people in the Vodou community began expressing fear and respect for Rosalie because of the doll, Laveau stole the statue. She was taken to court by Rosalie but used her persuasive powers and influence to have the doll permanently removed. There were several other root workers and Vodouists who gathered mild attention during Laveau’s reign. Survival Of Vodou During the latter years of her life, Laveau had to move her practices across the Mississippi River to the area of New Orleans known as Algiers. Algiers was the first point of arrival of enslaved African people in New Orleans and also the birthplace of Vodou in New Orleans. After Laveau’s death in 1881, Vodou in New Orleans lost a great deal of its adherents. As more people began assimilating economically and socially, the need to depend on the ancient rites and traditions of the old-time religion decreased. Vodou began taking on new forms, becoming incorporated into other religions. Laveau is buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1. Each year, thousands of visitors flock to her tomb and adorn her plot with spiritual regalia, candles, money, flowers, and assorted personal items.] www.britannica.com/biography/Marie-LaveauWell as far as Imhotep goes ,that's how history remembers him. [ He was the world's first named architect who built Egypt's first pyramid, is often recognized as the world's first doctor, a priest,. scribe, chief sculptor, chief carpenter sage, poet, astrologer, and a vizier and chief minister www.touregypt.net/featurestories/imhotep.htm ] He is generally recognized as the first recorded genius. |
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Post by nebsen on Mar 19, 2019 13:30:38 GMT -5
the Egyptians Philosophers by Molefi Kete Assante is a excellent book that celebrates ancient Kemet philosophers & Philosophers Kings..clearly Imhotep would be a Ascended Master all things being equal ,My only criticism about this most excellent book it needed a better editor. Hmm, never seen this book before. I'll check it out. I notice both you and Anansi tab Imhotep as a good candidate for ascended master class. Wny Imhotep and not say Khufu of Great Pyramid Fame? Yeah he was a brilliant guy who is credited with pyramid design, but seeing as the pharaohs were supposed to be closer to the gods than commoners, and had all the priests and such working for them to ensure successful navigation thru the dark realm and judgement scales that await every man, etc, what would make him leap ahead of the queue, so to speak? Toko himself was not as famous or well connected as Imhotep with the royal court and the rulers etc, but his followers hold that he did many signs. According to white authoress Cindy Dale in her Book Advanced Chakra Healing, one time Toko was attacked and the murderers threw him into the blades of a threshing machine that severed his body into several pieces. But Toko reassembled himself out of the pieces. According to other followers, Toko was being deported to Portugal when he commanded the plane he was flying in to stop in mid air, and there it froze with no movement until Toko's captors pleaded with him to release the plane, whereupon Toko restarted the engines. When he died in 1984 he was still held to be alive and coming back to visit regularly as a ghostly apparation. According to another story doctors decided to experiment on Toko's corpse and proceeded to cut out his heart. Whereupon Toko suddenly sat up and asked them why they were thus persecuting him. One note about Molefi Kete Ashante Book, is for one... you never hear of a African sage sayings at all you hear & read about sayings of Chinese sages all the time(which is a much later date than Egyptian thinker/sages) in American literature...but one would think Africa had no great thinkers so this book is to set the record straight..by ancient Kemet( Egypt )being as old & ancient as it is we all should become more aware of the thinkers of this period in history & make their thought & saying more " common place" in his book Egyptians Philosophers ch 3 heading is" Imhotep & The Emergence Of Reason" so It says it right there about Imhotep ..I tried to insert the 1st page about him but it said attachment to large. This is a great small book I highly recommend !! |
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Post by asante on Mar 19, 2019 14:04:04 GMT -5
But coupla questions. Where in the African world would be the enlightenment figure, and did the people of that ancient African world really use this same framework? In what way did the ancient Kushites for example maintain a belief system along these lines? and the precursor to the Christ figure Heru was of course the Twa deity Bes.
Horus and Set are metaphors for your higher and lower chakras. Set being the lower chakras, in which Caucasians with no functioning pineal gland are restricted to (hence why they are called devils). Horus represents the higher chakras. That is why when a person reaches that level that they adorned with the halo, ureaus etc.
In popular culture for example like Dragon Ball Z, much of the mystical truth of this situation is told. The serpent representing the Kundalini energy is summoned once one collects all 7 of the dragon balls, and the 7 dragon balls of course represent the 7 chakras. The person who has obtained the "dragon balls" is essentially able to manifest reality through the aid of the serpent (which is the serpent of the bible).
To so called "Sphinx" is also a reflection of man rising past his/her lower animalistic nature, which is why the beast/lion's body is given. The head is a human, because that human has mastered his/her lower animalistic self.
The Devil's (you know who) society is in place to allow our people to over indulge in f*ckery that attempts to prevent the inevitable rise in consciousness. Once the Devil rotted our peoples brains during the deprivations of slavery (which some say may have been the ordained punishment that resulted from a sudden drop in universal consciousness) our people have been on a path to obtain that which we've felt deprived of for centuries. Too many of our people chase after the over indulgence of this society as though that is all that there is to this universe.
That is a metaphor. Egyptian mythology is all metaphor not to be taken literally, just like the bible.
The so called "pharaohs"
These pharaohs during a time of higher consciousness were able to manifest reality in ways that most others could not. Those others who could do what the sitting pharaoh could do would often attempt to challenge the pharaoh. The powers of the pharaohs from what I've seen were essentially he could put anybody/anyone into his mind. Meaning if he/she wanted to set you on fire, all that pharaoh had to do was think of you on fire. Like the "Storm" character on X-men (and many of those marvel characters) here powers of changing the weather (illuminated eyes and what not) CAME FROM AFRICAN/EGYPTIAN FOLKLORE OF THE PHARAOH. The power of these ancient Africans white folks who hoard all of the ancient text fro m when they stole it, put the all in cartoons and on TV. The Thunder cats are another one. The "Nagals" or half human half beast (even depicted in West African folklore a century ago) were another power that the pharaoh supposedly had.
That's a strange question. They did not all reign at once! They all respectively had that angelic glow, that put them above all others at that time.
The "last dragon" where Leroy glows is about this very enlightenment process. This is NOT fake. This is the Devil's greatest yet inevitable fear of the original man. The return of "Christ" consciousnesses. It doesn't mean that only one person can do it either, but some people are more power than others. That will reflect in their respective powers.
Zaharan are really asking me for names?
 I understand being inquisitive Zaharan, but you take too far...now I'll let you tell me....what is wrong with asking about said history of the San ...what about those Africans would hamper me from getting that information....that being said why would you even ask or demand that I provide that information or make them relevant to this conversation...what is the point besides slight of hand naysaying Zaharan?
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