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Post by nebsen on Jun 7, 2022 3:37:12 GMT -5
Most here know who Mansa Musa Is.. if not this video will provide some history along with a reconstruction of how he might have looked in real life..
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Post by zarahan on Jun 8, 2022 23:17:49 GMT -5
Good video. I notice these days on some forums that there is a more critical take on the Mansa among some blacks- i.e. that he squandered too much of the kingdom's wealth on the Arab world, which at points undermined or cheated him. . According to historian David Conrad (David C. Conrad 2004. Empires Of Medieval West Africa: Ghana, Mali, And Songhay. p.35-51): “Mansa Musa’s visit to Egypt created a sensation because he carried such
a huge amount of gold with him and was extremely generous in his gift
giving. Among the gifts he sent to the sultan were 40,000 dinars (gold coins).
He also gave 10,000 dinars to the sultan’s deputy, and was similarly generous
to everyone at the Egyptian court. When the visitors from Mali shopped in
the Cairo market, the merchants took advantage of them and charged them
five dinars for things that were only worth one. "
“Mansa Musa stayed at Cairo for three months before he continued on to Arabia
and the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. Such a journey could be extremely
hazardous (Sakura was killed on the way home), even for an emperor as rich and
powerful as Mansa Musa who had a large armed guard and thousands of people in
his company.. According to Ibn Khaldun, when Mansa Musa and his entourage were
returning from Mecca to Cairo, they got separated from the main caravan. Without
any Arab companions to show them the way, they were completely lost and could not
even find water. They wandered until they finally came to the seashore at Suez
(where the Suez Canal was built more than five centuries later). They ate whatever
fish they could find, and anyone who strayed from their main group was kidnapped
by local Bedouin people and taken as a slave. The survivors were finally rescued,
but according to Muhammad al Husayni al-Maqrizi (1364–1442), an Egyptian historian
and geographer, as many as a third of Mansa Musa’s people and camels perished…
By the time Mansa Musa was ready to return to Mali, he had used up all his gold,
so to get home he had to borrow money at an exorbitant rate of interest.” Still, maybe it could be well argued that the Mansa was a pious Muslim who did what rich pious Muslims did back in the day. His pilgrimage put Mali and sub-Saharan Africa on the map so to speak, for all time. He made a name for himself in the Islamic World, and later on via modern literacy and communication, a worldwide name. |
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Post by nebsen on Jun 16, 2022 17:58:18 GMT -5
Good video. I notice these days on some forums that there is a more critical take on the Mansa among some blacks- i.e. that he squandered too much of the kingdom's wealth on the Arab world, which at points undermined or cheated him. . According to historian David Conrad (David C. Conrad 2004. Empires Of Medieval West Africa: Ghana, Mali, And Songhay. p.35-51): “Mansa Musa’s visit to Egypt created a sensation because he carried such
a huge amount of gold with him and was extremely generous in his gift
giving. Among the gifts he sent to the sultan were 40,000 dinars (gold coins).
He also gave 10,000 dinars to the sultan’s deputy, and was similarly generous
to everyone at the Egyptian court. When the visitors from Mali shopped in
the Cairo market, the merchants took advantage of them and charged them
five dinars for things that were only worth one. "
“Mansa Musa stayed at Cairo for three months before he continued on to Arabia
and the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. Such a journey could be extremely
hazardous (Sakura was killed on the way home), even for an emperor as rich and
powerful as Mansa Musa who had a large armed guard and thousands of people in
his company.. According to Ibn Khaldun, when Mansa Musa and his entourage were
returning from Mecca to Cairo, they got separated from the main caravan. Without
any Arab companions to show them the way, they were completely lost and could not
even find water. They wandered until they finally came to the seashore at Suez
(where the Suez Canal was built more than five centuries later). They ate whatever
fish they could find, and anyone who strayed from their main group was kidnapped
by local Bedouin people and taken as a slave. The survivors were finally rescued,
but according to Muhammad al Husayni al-Maqrizi (1364–1442), an Egyptian historian
and geographer, as many as a third of Mansa Musa’s people and camels perished…
By the time Mansa Musa was ready to return to Mali, he had used up all his gold,
so to get home he had to borrow money at an exorbitant rate of interest.”Still, maybe it could be well argued that the Mansa was a pious Muslim who did what rich pious Muslims did back in the day. His pilgrimage put Mali and sub-Saharan Africa on the map so to speak, for all time. He made a name for himself in the Islamic World, and later on via modern literacy and communication, a worldwide name. Well, I think the point is valid ...& is food for thought..but as the video & we know many of the actual facts are lost to history & maybe one day will be revealed ..But what for me is something I've been thinking about for many years now..That we seldom get another model of what it means to be powerful & wealthy..The western model for me is bankrupt ..Yes, he was pious..this was also said about the ancient Kushites/Egyptians like with the 25th dynasty..the Greeks spoke of how pious they were...MUsa spread his wealth to many & helped many...I've never heard this said about European rulers ,their might be some that have but I've yet to hear about them ..Greed & power seems to be the over riding theme among European rulers & elites ;this is not to say that in African kingdoms that you did not have greed & lust for power which are themes for many in just being Human beings ,But it's strange how the European world tries to cover up how other kingdoms...might have conducted their affairs..I've noticed over the past couple of years how esp from films in the most of the 20thcentury the theme for power, greed ,seems to be the over riding stories from the wild west to ordinary man..many of us have been programed to think this is just how humanity is..Europeans looking for gold killing for gold & riches..it all seems to be about materialism, greed & power ...It might be that others in the Old World might not have been so obsessed the way we have been told using a European model & understanding of humanities relationship to each other & the world at large.. |
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