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Post by anansi on Oct 1, 2024 2:28:57 GMT -5
The EconomyThe economy of Ghana was huge and built upon longitudinal trade, from north to south and back. This trade was so big that Ibn Hawqal, a 10th century visitor of the trading city of Sijilmasa, another commercial partner of Ghana, once saw a check written for 42,000 dinars.[21] (https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/marcanovicoff22/pre-college-writing/#_ftn21) Considering one dinar to be four and a half grams of gold, that amount of gold today would be worth around 7.7 million US dollars. Though the check may have merely been a notation of debt or a bill,[22] (https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/marcanovicoff22/pre-college-writing/#_ftn22) the size of the check speaks volumes to the amount of gold being traded across the Sahara. journeys.dartmouth.edu/marcanovicoff22/pre-college-writing/www.jstor.org/stable/41405704
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Post by maverick5 on Oct 3, 2024 3:37:56 GMT -5
Very informative video but I take slight issue where Robin talks about when the Muslims conquered North Africa and then implies they could not do the same to West Africa (Land of the Blacks) presumably because of the powerful and wealthy king, and further extrapolates that the unnamed West African king must have "stopped" the Muslims from invading and handed them a "smackdown" (09:55 mark of the video)
I'm sorry but nowhere within the text is that implied. Other then that one issue I agree with everything else he says within the lecture.
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Post by anansi on Oct 3, 2024 13:03:01 GMT -5
Greetings Maverick, he's correct, they did not move into West Africa through conquest, remember Ghana or Wagadu were traditionalist religiously, not only that they periodically bullied their northern Muslim neighbors be they Berbers, Arabs or any combination possible, one report had some of the survivors apostatizing and picking up the so-called pagan religion of the locals, even a later another Soninke folk perhaps a client state, could flex on them. Concerning another kingdom that had relations with the Almoravids and sounds like they would have in terms of military support: "A history of African societies to 1870" by Elizabeth Allo Isichei www.google.co.jp/books/edition/A_History_of_African_Societies_to_1870/3C2tzBSAp3MC?hl=en&gbpv=0A History of African Societies to 1870 Cambridge University Press , Apr 13, 1997 - History - 578 pages This comprehensive and detailed exploration of the African past, from prehistory to approximately 1870, is intended to provide a fully up-to-date complement to the Cambridge History of Africa. Reflecting several emphases in recent scholarship, it focusses on the changing modes of production, on gender relations and on ecology, laying particular stress on viewing 'history from below'. A distinctive theme is to be found in its analyses of cognitive history. This book attempts a more rounded view of African history than most of the other textbooks on the subject addressed to a (largely) undergraduate level student. Earlier histories have tended to ignore some of the current foci in the scholarly literature on Africa, generally not reflected in the textbooks: these include discussions of topical issues like ecology and gender. Isichei's book is also more radical. redirect.viglink.com/? Where Diafunu/Zafun was located. [ A mysterious passage tells of the visit of a black king from the desert edge state of Zafun to the Almoravid capital of Marrakesh. He rode his horse into the palace. 'The Commander of the Muslims met him on foot, whereas the [king of] Zafun did not dismount for him... he was tall, of deep black complexion and veiled] www.africanhistoryextra.com/p/state-building-in-ancient-west-africaegyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3567/arabs-conquer-west-central-africa egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/88/conquest-never-ghana-almoravid |
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Post by maverick5 on Oct 3, 2024 14:22:04 GMT -5
Greetings Maverick, he's correct, they did not move into West Africa through conquest, remember Ghana or Wagadu were traditionalist religiously, not only that they periodically bullied their northern Muslim neighbors be they Berbers, Arabs or any combination possible, one report had some of the survivors apostatizing and picking up the so-called pagan religion of the locals, even a later another Soninke folk perhaps a client state, could flex on them. Concerning another kingdom that had relations with the Almoravids and sounds like they would have in terms of military support: "A history of African societies to 1870" by Elizabeth Allo Isichei www.google.co.jp/books/edition/A_History_of_African_Societies_to_1870/3C2tzBSAp3MC?hl=en&gbpv=0A History of African Societies to 1870 Cambridge University Press , Apr 13, 1997 - History - 578 pages This comprehensive and detailed exploration of the African past, from prehistory to approximately 1870, is intended to provide a fully up-to-date complement to the Cambridge History of Africa. Reflecting several emphases in recent scholarship, it focusses on the changing modes of production, on gender relations and on ecology, laying particular stress on viewing 'history from below'. A distinctive theme is to be found in its analyses of cognitive history. This book attempts a more rounded view of African history than most of the other textbooks on the subject addressed to a (largely) undergraduate level student. Earlier histories have tended to ignore some of the current foci in the scholarly literature on Africa, generally not reflected in the textbooks: these include discussions of topical issues like ecology and gender. Isichei's book is also more radical. redirect.viglink.com/?Where Diafunu/Zafun was located. [ A mysterious passage tells of the visit of a black king from the desert edge state of Zafun to the Almoravid capital of Marrakesh. He rode his horse into the palace. 'The Commander of the Muslims met him on foot, whereas the [king of] Zafun did not dismount for him... he was tall, of deep black complexion and veiled] www.africanhistoryextra.com/p/state-building-in-ancient-west-africaegyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3567/arabs-conquer-west-central-africa egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/88/conquest-never-ghana-almoravidI agree they didn't it conquer it as it only mentions that Muslim merchants went into West Africa. But nowhere does it mention that the Arabs/Berbers engaged in a military battle with Ghana/Wagadu and lost this battle during the Early Muslim Conquests. Yes I agree with the points you're making that Ghana/Wagadu as well as the King of Zafun were Pagans and were shown to be superior to the Berbers (Veiled peoples) this however is still not proof of early the Arab Muslims trying to conquer West Africa like they did with North Africa and even Nubia. There is no documented proof of a battle taking place and with West Africans defeating Arabs/Berbers. |
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Post by anansi on Oct 3, 2024 18:31:01 GMT -5
Check the writings of Diop, I forgot which one of his books, probably Pre-Colonial Black Africa, where he mentioned Apostate Umayyad living in the Wagadu state, if so that would be very unusual for a group of religious expansionist to do, especially since it was not necessary since there were approve Mosques in the state, however a lost of a battle is implied by Al-Bakri and oral traditions rather than proven by document.
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