Would Black men prosper more with Harris or Trump?

[thelioness]

Harris campaign website: 

kamalaharris.com/agenda/





KAMALA HARRIS WILL DELIVER FOR BLACK MEN

Donald Trump is a serious threat to the lives of Black men.

Vice President Harris will deliver for Black men and their families.

Vice President Harris is laying out an agenda to give Black men the tools to build wealth and achieve financial freedom, lower costs for themselves and their families, and protect their rights—addressing the issues that Black men across the country have told her are their top concerns.



• Provide 1 million forgivable loans up to $20,000 to Black entrepreneurs and others who have a good idea but don’t have the resources, connections, or access to capital to get their business off the ground

• Launch a National Health Equity Initiative focused on Black men

• Legalize marijuana at the federal level to break down unjust legal barriers that hold Black men and other Americans back

• Lower costs by enacting the first-ever federal ban on corporate price-gouging for food and groceries

• Lower rent and provide down payment assistance to triple the number of new first-time Black homeowners


Black men deserve a president who will deliver on promises.

Vice President Harris knows that Black men have long felt that too often their voice in our political process has gone unheard and that there is so much untapped ambition and leadership within the Black male community.


Black men and boys deserve a president who will provide the opportunity to unleash this talent and potential by removing historic barriers to wealth creation, education, employment, earnings, health, and improving the criminal justice system. Black men deserve a president who will deliver on promises and equip them with the tools and resources to make their aspirations a reality.

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When Trump last ran in 2020 he had a "Platinum Plan" for Black Americans

here:

cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/president-trump-platinum-plan-final-version.pdf

But I don't see anything laid out like that for 2024

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Here is a link to black themed articles from Trump's current 2024 website: 

Trump on black issues


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2024, campaign website

www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-president-trump-announces-plan-to-end-crime-and-restore-law-and-order


President Trump’s Plan to Keep American Communities Safe



1. President Trump will sign a record investment in hiring, retention, and training for police officers. The bill will increase vital liability protections for America’s law enforcement officers.

2. President Trump will require local law enforcement agencies receiving DOJ grants to return to proven policing measures such as stop-and-frisk, strictly enforcing existing gun laws, cracking down on the open use of illegal drugs, and cooperating with ICE to arrest and deport criminal aliens.

3. President Trump will take on the radical Marxist prosecutors who have abolished cash bail and refuse to charge criminals. President Trump will direct the DOJ to open civil rights investigations into radical leftist prosecutor’s officers, such as those in Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco to determine whether they have illegally engaged in race-based law enforcement.

4. President Trump will instruct the Department of Justice to dismantle every gang, street crew, and drug network in America. President Trump has also called for the death penalty for drug dealers and human traffickers.

5. President Trump has committed to deploying federal assets, including the National Guard, to restore law and order when local law enforcement refuses to act.

6. President Trump will order the Education and Justice Departments to overhaul federal standards on disciplining minors.

7. Finally, President Trump will sign concealed carry reciprocity legislation, fully secure the border, dramatically increase interior enforcement, and wage war on the cartels.

[thelioness]

Harris Campaign website on Immigration 

kamalaharris.com/issues/

Secure Our Borders and Fix Our Broken Immigration System



Vice President Harris and Governor Walz believe in tough, smart solutions to secure the border, keep communities safe, and reform our broken immigration system. As Attorney General of California, Vice President Harris went after international drug gangs, human traffickers and cartels that smuggled guns, drugs, and human beings across the U.S.-Mexico border. As Vice President, she supported the bipartisan border security bill, the strongest reform in decades. The legislation would have deployed more detection technology to intercept fentanyl and other drugs and added 1,500 border security agents to protect our border. After Donald Trump killed the border deal for his political gain, she and President Biden took action on their own — and now border crossings are at the lowest level in 4 years, their administration is seizing record amounts of fentanyl, and secured funding for the most significant increase in border agents in ten years. As President, she will bring back the bipartisan border security bill and sign it into law. At the same time, she knows that our immigration system is broken and needs comprehensive reform that includes strong border security and an earned pathway to citizenship.

[thelioness]

Trump's 20 Point 2024 Platform "Agenda 47",
official Trump website:

www.donaldjtrump.com/platform


1.
Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion

2
Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history

3
End inflation, and make America affordable again

4
Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!

5
STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER

6
large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!

7
Defend our constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms

8
Prevent world war three, restore peace in Europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in america

9
End the weaponization of government against the American people

10
Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders

11
Rebuild our cities, including Washington dc, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.

12
Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world

13
Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency

14
Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age

15
Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations

16
Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children

17
Keep men out of women's sports

18
Deport pro-hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again

19
Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship

20
Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

[Charlie Bass]

All I can say is that since I've been voting no candidate was actually advantageous to black American men, at least at the presidential level.

[thelioness]

Oct 30, 2024 7:19:07 GMT -5 Charlie Bass said:

All I can say is that since I've been voting no candidate was actually advantageous to black American men, at least at the presidential level.

I disagree

Take any past presidential election. 
Trump won against Hillary Clinton,
Biden won against Trump. 
Bush Jr. won against Gore. 
Reagan beat Carter. 
Obama beat McCain in one election and Romney in another.  

If Gore won would we have gone to war with Iraq? This is only one example of potential different history if the other side won 
The living conditions for black people or black men specifically vary in different years
and you can look at the overall economy as well as black employment rates, black political offices held
education level, health, incarceration rates
many factors vary from year to year,
better in one year worse in another 

So we can look at any of these administrations and the other side might have won. 
You could compare Bush Jr's policies and speculate differences if Gore had been elected
and living conditions may have been different, regardless of if they highlighted specific policies to help black people or not.
That is what we have now 
Either you will have a better life under one than under the other 
regardless if we consider issues that are supposed to be specific to black people, there is a lot of overlap of interest with 
the general population, potential different economic situations, health care availability, crime and drug policy 

 Trump is not a run of the mill Republican candidate.  Many of his Maga supporters
don't even care about the Republican party.  It might just be exaggeration or rhetoric on the part of Trump but he may do some things more radical 
than a typical Republican. He could appoint a couple of Supreme Court Justices and he has vowed to put various people in jail and revamp the government with loyalists 
Harris is probably going to predictable to a much larger extent, like a Biden part 2. 
I think the differences are much larger now than in previous elections.  

so I hope you are voting if eligible 
 

[BlessedbyHorus]

Neither.

[thelioness]

Trump thanks you

[BlessedbyHorus]

^No disrespect but are you even Black or even American?

[thelioness]

Kamala Harris is making a specific written policy appeal specifically to black men.
I am not a black man so I am wondering how people who are think of this policy
I am American but will not be getting into further complex personal details.
I am trying to persuade people to vote because the difference here is potentially
much wider than before

[thelioness]

[rocky88]

Probably Trump

[djehuti]

This thread is somewhat of a joke. I have friends and connections in California and FYI black men and even black women didn't really benefit at all in that state when Kamala Harris was D.A. over there. She prosecuted a lot of black people-- black men for petty charges like drug possession and black women for their children's truancy. Meanwhile she laxed laws for shoplifters and homeless people to drugs and defecate and masturbate on the streets. Is anyone aware of the fact that the Innocence Project has filed multiple lawsuits against Harris for suppression of evidence that would have exonerated innocent black men she convicted. One guy even won $13 million lawsuit for wrongful conviction for murder. In one interview he said Harris laughed in his face. A few men who were in death-row who were innocent were exonerated. It even came out the reason why she kept all these black men in prison is so she can sell their free labor there. Even black women were prosecuted for truancy even though they dropped their children in school and a few cases the truancy was fraudulent because the children were hospitalized for serious illnesses like sickle cell. She even had peers in her law firm (white men) who noticed she gave deals only to her white clients but not her black ones, when they questioned her about it she just laughed. So it seems to me she doesn't care about black men at all except to use them for a step up like the former mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown whom she was his mistress even though he was married.

I know in ES I brought up the fact that she may not be black at all since her Jamaican father is of mixed Indian and Irish heritage and I was attacked for saying that there, but apparently Candance Owens and others have confirmed that via research on her genealogy. Apparently the black women she featured in her book as her grandmother were not only different women but family servants and don't match the records for her actual grandmother. Judge Joe Brown confirmed it last year and another guy from Jamaica who knows her family confirmed it. Not to mention her other family connections which are very suspicious.

[thelioness]

Your didn't answer the thread question

[thelioness]

[djehuti]

^ Indians have afros too, and it's been confirmed those black women she featured in her book are 'the help' and not her relatives. But to answer your question obviously Trump. Trump was already president before and the policies he pushed before were designed to help ALL Americans including blacks. That said I'm no supporter of his either but he is at least the lesser of the evils. I may not even be voting for the presidency just for my state reps.

By the way, why is nobody talking about the fact that Harris being the Democratic nominee is not even legitimate because she never went through a primary?? All the rules say to be the nominee of a party, you have to be voted in yet she was simply installed in the position not voted! Does anyone find this strange that only news media in other countries have pointed this out and not our own country??

Also, Lioness why do you care so much about black men or black people in general you're not even black. Are you even American?? I thought you are one of Mathilda's agents in the UK if not Mathilda herself. We know you white liberal women love to manipulate black folks.