Blacks and others in Meso America

[anansi]

The question arise time and again of the presence of old world "new"world contacts the evidence for contact is debated heavily especially in regards to Africans admittedly a poster over at E.S posted a video of Ivan Van sertima discussing the Olmecs in part II of the video we get to see not only the large Olmec heads but the little carved figurines not only the features stands out but hair type also,now we know that Blacks has been in the America's since the beginning see Luisa skull reproduction the question of where she and her people came from is as far as I know still up for grabs..but there is no doubt that they existed whither native or foreign. this thread is a collage of Meso American art works depicting those faces.





reflectionsofra.blogspot.com/2010/03/african-presence-in-america-before.html

[anansi]

Ancient Pre-Columbian
Bearded Incense Burner
with Semitic facial features
found in Guatemala

www.the-book-of-mormon.com/photos-page3.html

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

I have Von Wuthenau's Unexpected Faces and, true,
some portraiture does seem likely to be of subjects
not indigenous to the western hemisphere. But is
there some proposition that induced phenotypical
variability is limited to Africans and inapplicable
when it comes to other peoples of other continents?

[A Boy Named KING]

Anansi

Man some of these statues I have NEVER seen before. Thanks for this. It really puts in perspective the whole Olmec civilization. It seems they had contact with Africans to some degree or another. Keep putting Work Brada.

Peace

[anansi]

Jun 14, 2010 12:58:44 GMT -5 Tukuler al~Takruri said:

I have Von Wuthenau's Unexpected Faces and, true,
some portraiture does seem likely to be of subjects
not indigenous to the western hemisphere. But is
there some proposition that induced phenotypical
variability is limited to Africans and inapplicable
when it comes to other peoples of other continents?

No and that's why I did not came right out and said they were Africans /Europeans and west Asians a position I once held as fact until I knew better, but if the variations aroused in the Americas.. isn't that a bit short time wise? If they came from multiple origins then the variations would fit better imo..btw I would love to get my hands on that book.

[anansi]

Jun 14, 2010 20:26:26 GMT -5 A Boy Named KING said:

Anansi

Man some of these statues I have NEVER seen before. Thanks for this. It really puts in perspective the whole Olmec civilization. It seems they had contact with Africans to some degree or another. Keep putting Work Brada.

Peace

If Von Wuthenau and Van Sertima are correct then they had contacts with Europeans and west Asians as well.

[anansi]

From Clyde Winters

[scv]

What it is incredible is that they haven't established is this foreign influence affected the natives culture.

[clydewin98]

Sept 1, 2010 8:43:25 GMT -5 @scv said:

What it is incredible is that they haven't established is this foreign influence affected the natives culture.

[clydewin98]

[anansi]

UNEXPECTED FACES IN ANCIENT AMERICA 1500BC - 1500AD THE HISTORICAL TESTIMONY OF PRE-COLUMBIAN ARTIST Book written by Alexander Von Wuthenau Published by Crown Publishers, Inc. New York.

The above have some excellent pics of various faces in the America's I am doing this without drawing any definitive ethnic conclusion,need less to the the pics are fascinating,if anyone out there know how I can extract some of the pics from here pls p.m me.


Note the woman wearing

a short fro.



  
www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/image.htm#PRECLASSIC