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Post by olehint on Jun 18, 2010 13:46:51 GMT -5
what are some things the Greeks stole from Kemet besides some architecture?
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Post by imhotep06 on Jun 18, 2010 15:00:02 GMT -5
Why would you say they "stole" anything from Egypt when they say they were students? Were they simply supposed to learn and not use the information to maintain their own societies? I think you should look at this from another perspective, preferably that by Martin Bernal. The ancient world acknowledged where they got their information from. They didn't steal anything. It was the 17th century historians who began to alter history and make claims that Greece was an isolated phenomena. So I think you should start there and be careful when you use words like "steal." That's like saying Nujabee "stole" Hip Hop and brought it to Japan.
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Post by anansi on Jun 18, 2010 15:48:46 GMT -5
well I don't know if Archimedes gave the Kemites credit for the screw named after him but if he didn't then yes that's theft, one would have to look at each claim by any given Greek to see if they stole an idea,borrowed or was the originators of an idea..also the so-called Pythagorean theorem.
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Post by imhotep06 on Jun 18, 2010 15:57:16 GMT -5
Again, you will have to read the primary material and stop going off of George GM Jame's Stolen Legacy. Read Martin Bernal's Black Athena (all three or four volumes). Read Obenga's Ancient Egypt & Black Africa.
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Post by olehint on Jun 19, 2010 10:13:46 GMT -5
Why would you say they "stole" anything from Egypt when they say they were students? Were they simply supposed to learn and not use the information to maintain their own societies? I think you should look at this from another perspective, preferably that by Martin Bernal. The ancient world acknowledged where they got their information from. They didn't steal anything. It was the 17th century historians who began to alter history and make claims that Greece was an isolated phenomena. So I think you should start there and be careful when you use words like "steal." That's like saying Nujabee "stole" Hip Hop and brought it to Japan. please list some specific things the Greeks studied and used to rule over Kemet with |
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Post by imhotep06 on Jun 19, 2010 16:31:50 GMT -5
Again, I've given you two resources where all of your questions can be answered in a rigorous and concise way. It is up to you to actually study the material. Here are two examples:
1) Isocrates (426-338 bc), "For the souls they [the egyptian priests] revealed the practice of philosophy (tais de psychais philosphias askesin katedeiksan) which can, at the same time, set down rules and look for the nature of things (he ka nomothetesai kai ten physin ton onton zetesai dunatai) --- Isocrates, Busirus XI, 22
2) Isocrates also names Pythagoras of Samos as being a student of Egypt. He states, "He came to Egypt, and became the disciple (mathetes) of the people there; he was the first to bring philosophy to Greece (ten t'allen philosophian protos eis tous Hellenas ekomisen) --- Isocrates, Ibid., XI, 28
When you make the claims that the Greeks claimed authorship of Egyptian ideals, and denies their debt to Egypt, what are you basing this on? How can they steal something they earned by study? How can they steal something that was given to them? You are not reading the material. Again, you asked a question and were provided with resources which can help you answer those questions. It's up to you to now perform the arduous task of actually reading the material.
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Post by egyptianplanet on Jun 19, 2010 17:09:08 GMT -5
Furthermore, the Greeks had a large degree of reverence for the Egyptians. They respected their wisdom and knowledge, it's not like they blew them off thinking they were superior. They felt Egypt was an almost "mega" civilization they needed to learn from. This is why throughout history the Egyptians and Greeks had a very amicable relationship with one another.
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