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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 20, 2010 23:15:56 GMT -5
With regards to African slavery most people are under the impression that all of them came from Sub Saharan Africa. However, I have read several times that Berbers were also enslaved by the Arabs and that prior to the Trans Atlantic slave trade, the Portuguese were using Berber slaves on Madeira. However, finding more details about this is proving difficult. Is there anyone who can shed some light on this aspect of slavery in Africa?
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Post by azrur on Nov 17, 2013 15:35:15 GMT -5
the arabs use them as slave in early invasion time mostly women as sex slave the famous conqueror was tariq ibn ziyad a freed slave when many convert to islam less enslavement because you can not enslave a fellow muslim is a muslim belief
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Post by ziri on Nov 20, 2013 17:54:51 GMT -5
there is no slavery regarding the berbers,that's why they call them selves "free people","amazigh"
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Post by azrur on Nov 20, 2013 18:17:26 GMT -5
there is no slavery regarding the berbers,that's why they call them selves "free people","amazigh" no the arabs enslave them in beginning |
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Post by ziri on Nov 21, 2013 17:48:06 GMT -5
there is no slavery regarding the berbers,that's why they call them selves "free people","amazigh" no the arabs enslave them in beginning they slaved aksil and some of his man. but when kahina free them,they have killed okba ibn nafi. After that,nobody slaved them again. And european never slaved berbers...Actually,it was the berbers who slaved europeans. |
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Post by azrur on Nov 21, 2013 18:16:45 GMT -5
no the arabs enslave them in beginning they slaved aksil and some of his man. but when kahina free them,they have killed okba ibn nafi. After that,nobody slaved them again. And european never slaved berbers...Actually,it was the berbers who slaved europeans. they killed her though and then finished invasion they did not slave though after they killed them all arabs in middle of 8th century |
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Post by anansi on Nov 21, 2013 23:21:58 GMT -5
no the arabs enslave them in beginning they slaved aksil and some of his man. but when kahina free them,they have killed okba ibn nafi. After that,nobody slaved them again. And european never slaved berbers...Actually,it was the berbers who slaved europeans. No matter what a people called themselves they can be enslaved by others, Q what happened when a fighting man loose a battle or a war in ancient times??.. A..he became a POW and transformed into a slave conversely one can look at a population and say that's a good source for slave but until you capture or buy one he is not a slave and may rightly not think of him self as such,however not saying one cannot bring whole population under slavery. Btw ever heard of Estevanico a Moroccan turned into a slave who became an explorer of the American south west.   The Four Moors is the oldest and most popular monument in Leghorn, it symbolizes the winner of Medici against pirates in the Mediterranean Sea.
The monument consist of two parts, one in marble and the other one in bronze. The former, in Carrara marble, shows Ferdinando I dei Medici in the uniform of the Order of the Knights of St. Stephan, a navy establishment to fight the piracy which was an obstacle to free trade and the development of the growning Medicean port. Created by the Florentine sculptor Giovanni Bandini, it was terminated in 1595, but only in 1617 the statue was placed on its pedestal. usslave.blogspot.jp/2012/03/quattro-mori-four-moors.htmlExample of slavers being enslaved.^ And Berbers of whatever complexion did not always get their way in Western Africa for at times they were under the thumb of non Berbers |
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Post by azrur on Nov 21, 2013 23:53:41 GMT -5
yes i heard of the estevanico he became chief of indian tribe
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Post by anansi on Nov 22, 2013 0:00:01 GMT -5
yes i heard of the estevanico he became chief of indian tribe While he was respected I don't think he became chief of any native American tribe or nation, do you have a source for that? |
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Post by azrur on Nov 22, 2013 0:13:34 GMT -5
yes i heard of the estevanico he became chief of indian tribe While he was respected I don't think he became chief of any native American tribe or nation, do you have a source for that? he was respected yeah he heal them |
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Post by ziri on Nov 22, 2013 13:46:32 GMT -5
they slaved aksil and some of his man. but when kahina free them,they have killed okba ibn nafi. After that,nobody slaved them again. And european never slaved berbers...Actually,it was the berbers who slaved europeans. No matter what a people called themselves they can be enslaved by others, Q what happened when a fighting man loose a battle or a war in ancient times??.. A..he became a POW and transformed into a slave conversely one can look at a population and say that's a good source for slave but until you capture or buy one he is not a slave and may rightly not think of him self as such,however not saying one cannot bring whole population under slavery. Btw ever heard of Estevanico a Moroccan turned into a slave who became an explorer of the American south west. The Four Moors is the oldest and most popular monument in Leghorn, it symbolizes the winner of Medici against pirates in the Mediterranean Sea.
The monument consist of two parts, one in marble and the other one in bronze. The former, in Carrara marble, shows Ferdinando I dei Medici in the uniform of the Order of the Knights of St. Stephan, a navy establishment to fight the piracy which was an obstacle to free trade and the development of the growning Medicean port. Created by the Florentine sculptor Giovanni Bandini, it was terminated in 1595, but only in 1617 the statue was placed on its pedestal. usslave.blogspot.jp/2012/03/quattro-mori-four-moors.htmlExample of slavers being enslaved.^ And Berbers of whatever complexion did not always get their way in Western Africa for at times they were under the thumb of non Berbers yeah well,like I said,there never been a slave trade like sub saharian trade slave. And when there are wars,yes,prisoners are made slave,and they always get,for most of them,their liberty back. concerning the "king of kanim",I never heard of him. he wasn't one of the king of north africa... Fezzan is inhabited by tuareg tribes...I seriously doubt about those being slaves. Actually,tuaregs are known for being slaves traders. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Nov 22, 2013 15:49:03 GMT -5
Ttbomk Kel Tamasheq were slave raiders
keeping those they enslaved for their
own use. As caravaneers they guided
and "protected" the slave traders from
the north. The slave traders from the
south were independent of the Kels.
The term Imazighen applied to the upper
caste of Kel Tagelmoust and only recently
has it come to mean all Tamazight speakers
like their vassal and cleric castes.
Besides the transSaharan and transatlantic
slave trades there was a rather extensive
network of transEuropean slave trade much
of it in the hand of Israels called Rodhanites.
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Post by anansi on Nov 22, 2013 23:04:20 GMT -5
Ziri yeah well,like I said,there never been a slave trade like sub saharian trade slave.
And when there are wars,yes,prisoners are made slave,and they always get,for most of them,their liberty back.
concerning the "king of kanim",I never heard of him.
he wasn't one of the king of north africa...
Fezzan is inhabited by tuareg tribes...I seriously doubt about those being slaves.
Actually,tuaregs are known for being slaves traders.Yes there was you just haven't looked at other geographical areas,the trade in white ppls from the Caucasus was rather extensive matter of fact the word slave is traced back to the word Slav an Eastern European people,the Kenam also made use of Turkish Slaves and one of their later kings enslaved Arab encroachers  The extent of Kanem Bournu empire it was south of the desert and boarders on Dafur and yes Ibn Sa'id was a Maghribian himself made that report during his time so nothing much to doubt, a slave can exchange places with the en-slaver or vice verse this happened only all the time throughout history. |
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