SCIENCE : Race of ancient egyptians now revealed

[scv]

[truthteacher2007]

Aug 31, 2010 19:27:59 GMT -5 @scv said:

I'd just like to make a suggestion and that is that we abandon this concept of "the race" of the Egyptians. The very notion of putting people into such categories is the creation of a Eurocentric world view. While the ancients were certainly aware of physical differences among humans they did not have a concept of biological race.

Pertaining to the Egyptians, there never was, nor is there now any one physical type that was/is representative of the entire Egyptian population. So while the Sphinx displays features that we consider sterotypically African, the statue of Khefren does not. So then what does that really tell you? Everyone wants to get excited about the Sphinx displaying "African features", but they selectively forget that Khefren did NOT have those features. So what does that mean? That the Sphinx was/is African but Khefren was not?

I'd like to also point out that once again, such thinking is born out of a Eurocentric world view. It was the slave owning and colonial European and American powers that created the idea of what an African should look like and anyone who did not fit their idea was either mixed or foreign. The truth of the matter is that like Egypt, there is no one physical type that is representative of all Africans. So while prognethism is a common wide spread physical trait in Africa, it is not a universal trait. Some of the blackest people you will find in Africa have thin lips, narrow noses and no prognethism at all. And I'm not talking about East Africans, I'm talking about people from places like Senegal where they're so black they almost look blue. Yet if we went on Eurocentric craniofacial criteria we would lable these people "caucasian" if we dug their remains up way in the future. Such notions are bogus and do not reflect the reality of Africa's physical diversity.

People with prognethism are Africans, but people without prognethism are also Africans just as much as anyone else. So the Sphinx's face is African, but so too is Khefren's. I think it is better to focus on the culture rather than a made up European notion of race. The culture and civilization was born not on the Mediterranean coast, but in the interior of the continent in sothern Egypt and northern Sudan, with significant input from the pre desert Saharan culture. If you want to know what those people looked like, their descendants are still there, go have a look.

Nubian:

Upper Egyptians:

Tuaregs from the Sahara in Mali. Pay close attention to the physical diversity among them:

[kenndo]

we can't forget that egyptian art at times was idealized.it's best to to examine the bodies first then only going by egyptian art. i seen for examples different types of images for thutmoses for example.so that the smaller art image for Khefren may not be really his his true look,but the Khafra true look may have been the Sphinx . chancellor williams in the book destruction of black civilization explain this well.mr. williams may have not been right or had the most updated facts on a few issues but he was right in most every thing he said in that book,and when i go to read early african history he one of the ones i go to.I don't throw everything away these great scholars had to say just because they have had a few mistakes or out of date or in correct info in thier past works.

Khefren broke from the image egypt was making in art at that time and displayed his true looks.

mr. williams and diop makes it very clear in the books over the years.another point i seen other images of him that looks different than the one we see often.

That 's all i have to say on that.

[scv]

Sept 2, 2010 1:23:11 GMT -5 truthteacher2007 said:

I'd just like to make a suggestion and that is that we abandon this concept of "the race" of the Egyptians. The very notion of putting people into such categories is the creation of a Eurocentric world view. While the ancients were certainly aware of physical differences among humans they did not have a concept of biological race.

Pertaining to the Egyptians, there never was, nor is there now any one physical type that was/is representative of the entire Egyptian population. So while the Sphinx displays features that we consider sterotypically African, the statue of Khefren does not. So then what does that really tell you? Everyone wants to get excited about the Sphinx displaying "African features", but they selectively forget that Khefren did NOT have those features. So what does that mean? That the Sphinx was/is African but Khefren was not?

I'd like to also point out that once again, such thinking is born out of a Eurocentric world view. It was the slave owning and colonial European and American powers that created the idea of what an African should look like and anyone who did not fit their idea was either mixed or foreign. The truth of the matter is that like Egypt, there is no one physical type that is representative of all Africans. So while prognethism is a common wide spread physical trait in Africa, it is not a universal trait. Some of the blackest people you will find in Africa have thin lips, narrow noses and no prognethism at all. And I'm not talking about East Africans, I'm talking about people from places like Senegal where they're so black they almost look blue. Yet if we went on Eurocentric craniofacial criteria we would lable these people "caucasian" if we dug their remains up way in the future. Such notions are bogus and do not reflect the reality of Africa's physical diversity.

People with prognethism are Africans, but people without prognethism are also Africans just as much as anyone else. So the Sphinx's face is African, but so too is Khefren's. I think it is better to focus on the culture rather than a made up European notion of race. The culture and civilization was born not on the Mediterranean coast, but in the interior of the continent in sothern Egypt and northern Sudan, with significant input from the pre desert Saharan culture. If you want to know what those people looked like, their descendants are still there, go have a look.

Nubian:

Upper Egyptians:

Tuaregs from the Sahara in Mali. Pay close attention to the physical diversity among them:

Thanks, I will follow your advice.